Ruth Davidson

linkinpark875linkinpark875 Posts: 29,701
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Seen people say she done well in the better together debate. Where does it leave the Scottish conservatives and might more people vote for them if she's the leader and could be first minister?
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  • MoxeyMoxey Posts: 1,232
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    Seen people say she done well in the better together debate. Where does it leave the Scottish conservatives and might more people vote for them if she's the leader and could be first minister?

    I have also seen people say she done (sic) well too - namely you on the 19th of this month, ironically in the "...honest debate" thread.:o
    This is the kind of thing which might explain the Tories' apparent popularity on DS while performing poorly in the polls last night. It's sad really.
  • LostFoolLostFool Posts: 90,650
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    I thought she was one of the better performers on the BT side - she a confident speaker who keeps calm in debates. Mind you she didn't have much competition as Darling, Lamont and Curran are all so dull and weak that Gordon Brown suddenly appeared to be charismatic in comparison.

    What will be interesting is that it looks like the three main parties in Scotland are going to have female leaders. That should provide quite a contrast to the boys club in London.
  • jmclaughjmclaugh Posts: 63,997
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    Who knows but the forthcoming devo max agenda does mean the main parties in Scotland will now all put independence behind them and focus on what they are going to do with the extra devolution powers.
  • wallsterwallster Posts: 17,609
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    Ruth and the Scottish Conservatives must target the unionist vote. The nationalists appear to me mobilising in different ways as they are unable to accept the settled will of the Scottish electorate. That means there has to be a focus for unionist voters. With Labour haemorrhaging votes to the nationalists, this is when the Conservatives can make their mark.
  • BelfastGuy125BelfastGuy125 Posts: 7,515
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    wallster wrote: »
    Ruth and the Scottish Conservatives must target the unionist vote. The nationalists appear to me mobilising in different ways as they are unable to accept the settled will of the Scottish electorate. That means there has to be a focus for unionist voters. With Labour haemorrhaging votes to the nationalists, this is when the Conservatives can make their mark.

    They won't though. I mean lets just get real.
  • smudges dadsmudges dad Posts: 36,989
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    wallster wrote: »
    Ruth and the Scottish Conservatives must target the unionist vote. The nationalists appear to me mobilising in different ways as they are unable to accept the settled will of the Scottish electorate. That means there has to be a focus for unionist voters. With Labour haemorrhaging votes to the nationalists, this is when the Conservatives can make their mark.

    By the same logic, the Conservatives are unable to accept the will of the Scottish people and just disappear.
  • curmycurmy Posts: 4,725
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    I like her, she didn't descend into making nasty comments in the debates, unlike representatives from some of the other parties . She kept calm & talked sense.
  • wallsterwallster Posts: 17,609
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    By the same logic, the Conservatives are unable to accept the will of the Scottish people and just disappear.

    The Scottish Conservative and Unionist Party were on the side of the will of the Scottish people in the referendum. Why would they disappear? :)
  • LostFoolLostFool Posts: 90,650
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    By the same logic, the Conservatives are unable to accept the will of the Scottish people and just disappear.

    So when are the SNP and other nationalists going to vanish?
  • glasshalffullglasshalffull Posts: 22,291
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    By the same logic, the Conservatives are unable to accept the will of the Scottish people and just disappear.

    Over a quarter of a million Scottish people voted for them at the last Holyrood elections...are you seriously suggesting such a substantial chunk of the population be denied the opportunity to vote for the party of their choice or be represented by someone reflects their own political views?
  • jojoenojojoeno Posts: 1,842
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    jmclaugh wrote: »
    Who knows but the forthcoming devo max agenda does mean the main parties in Scotland will now all put independence behind them and focus on what they are going to do with the extra devolution powers.

    That's if they get the powers and Cameron and the Tories renege on their promises
  • BrawladBrawlad Posts: 5,711
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    jmclaugh wrote: »
    Who knows but the forthcoming devo max agenda does mean the main parties in Scotland will now all put independence behind them and focus on what they are going to do with the extra devolution powers.

    it is not Devo Max. That is not on the agenda and it is not what the three political parties promised
  • glasshalffullglasshalffull Posts: 22,291
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    Ruth Davidson was impressive...but I'd love to hear her private and uncensored views on how she thinks her party leader repaid her and the Scottish Tory Party for all their hard work to save his job.
  • smudges dadsmudges dad Posts: 36,989
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    It's interesting that 45% and 1.6 million people are an irrelevance but 17% and quarter of a million are still vital to Scottish politics.

    The point I was making was the logical fallacy in wallster's post. Both are still important and relevant and the Conservatives in Scotland are needed as opposition to the Green /SNP coalition in 2016
  • LostFoolLostFool Posts: 90,650
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    The point I was making was the logical fallacy in wallster's post. Both are still important and relevant and the Conservatives in Scotland are needed as opposition to the Green /SNP coalition in 2016

    An SNP/Green coalition is a distinct possibility but their oil policy would be quite interesting to read.
  • wallsterwallster Posts: 17,609
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    Ruth Davidson was impressive...but I'd love to hear her private and uncensored views on how she thinks her party leader repaid her and the Scottish Tory Party for all their hard work to save his job.


    "repaid her"???? In what way?
  • glasshalffullglasshalffull Posts: 22,291
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    wallster wrote: »
    "repaid her"???? In what way?


    On Friday morning...instead of saying

    "We are glad the people of Scotland voted no and I shall now be working with all parties across the whole of the UK to give greater devolution to Scotland as soon as possible"

    and leaving it at that...he specifically linked the timetable for further Scottish devolution related to an English constitutional matter he knew would be both controversial, difficult and possibly impossible to implement. That matter has existed for years...it could have waited another day or two

    The result of which was to immediately switch attention away from the matter in hand as far as ALL the Scottish people were concerned, as far as the media were concerned and handed Salmon & Co an immediate stick to beat him with. And of course they were going to pick on the worst possible interpretation.

    Either that or it was a deliberate and thinly veiled attempt to finally say "well I don't give a flying fig about any part of the UK doesn't vote Tory...I only care about the whole of the UK because I wouldn't get a seat at the G20 as the Prime Minister of Chipping Norton"

    And all this after Ruth & Co worked their butts off to keep Scotland in the Union and probably keep him in his job.
  • nottinghamcnottinghamc Posts: 11,929
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    It's interesting that 45% and 1.6 million people are an irrelevance but 17% and quarter of a million are still vital to Scottish politics.

    The point I was making was the logical fallacy in wallster's post. Both are still important and relevant and the Conservatives in Scotland are needed as opposition to the Green /SNP coalition in 2016

    Who said the 45% were irrelevant exactly?
  • The MartianThe Martian Posts: 1,610
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    Police question Ruth Davidson over referendum postal votes probe
    Police have spoken to Scottish Conservative leader Ruth Davidson as part of an investigation into alleged breaches of electoral law.

    It follows claims that pro-Union supporters at sample openings of referendum ballot boxes took tallies of postal votes before the count.

    Party sources said police spoke to Ms Davidson as a witness and there was no suggestion of wrongdoing on her part.

    Police Scotland would not comment on the investigation.

    The investigation relates to comments made to BBC Scotland by Ms Davidson about 45 minutes after polls closed in the independence referendum on 18 September.

    The Scottish Conservative leader said Better Together agents took "tallies" of postal votes at sample openings held before the count.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29569585

    Oops. :blush:
  • HillmanImpHillmanImp Posts: 2,874
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    Police question Ruth Davidson over referendum postal votes probe

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-29569585

    Oops. :blush:

    The one consistent thing about this is that the Police have gone after Senior Conservatives time after time and it nearly always transpires that its the police who have done wrong. Namely "Plebgate"...

    We need a police that is not controlled by left wingers. This whole story seems to be one of Left Wing politicians in cahoots with anti-conservative policemen

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2739790/Scotland-Yard-releases-new-Plebgate-CCTV-footage-details-conspiracy-officers-topple-Tory-government.html
  • BRITLANDBRITLAND Posts: 3,443
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    I like Ruth, she's the only MSP other than Salmond or Sturgeon who could be a strong First Minister, Lamont or the Lib Dem guy are an embarrassment to Scottish politics, they makes Eddy, Nicky and Gordy look like strong charismatic leaders which is worrying
  • vauxhall1964vauxhall1964 Posts: 10,356
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    HillmanImp wrote: »
    The one consistent thing about this is that the Police have gone after Senior Conservatives time after time and it nearly always transpires that its the police who have done wrong. Namely "Plebgate"...

    We need a police that is not controlled by left wingers. This whole story seems to be one of Left Wing politicians in cahoots with anti-conservative policemen

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2739790/Scotland-Yard-releases-new-Plebgate-CCTV-footage-details-conspiracy-officers-topple-Tory-government.html

    what absolute nonsense. From the moment Davidson made that comment on TV the talk was of her breaking election law and how the police would be dragged into it. A visit from the police was just a matter of time and would've have happened to any politician from any party daft enough to announce on air they'd flouted electoral law. The police I'm sure are not aware of the finer points of electoral law and are only involved because someone has filed a complaint but you paint it as a police conspiracy!
    Plebgate was one man's word against another. With Davidson several million TV viewers heard her condemn herself out of her own mouth.
  • Black SheepBlack Sheep Posts: 15,219
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    By the same logic, the Conservatives are unable to accept the will of the Scottish people and just disappear.

    Well, they still have more support than the various socialist parties and the Greens. Should they just disappear Too?

    What is your threshold of support before a party needs to disappear?
  • FMKKFMKK Posts: 32,074
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    Well, they still have more support than the various socialist parties and the Greens. Should they just disappear Too?

    What is your threshold of support before a party needs to disappear?

    Smudges Dad was making this post to highlight the logical flaw in Wallster's earlier post. Why are people finding that so hard to understand?
  • HillmanImpHillmanImp Posts: 2,874
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    what absolute nonsense. From the moment Davidson made that comment on TV the talk was of her breaking election law and how the police would be dragged into it. A visit from the police was just a matter of time and would've have happened to any politician from any party daft enough to announce on air they'd flouted electoral law. The police I'm sure are not aware of the finer points of electoral law and are only involved because someone has filed a complaint but you paint it as a police conspiracy!
    Plebgate was one man's word against another. With Davidson several million TV viewers heard her condemn herself out of her own mouth.

    We should be told who made the complaint. It would be interesting.
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