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Anyone teacher training or a teacher? Need advice on starting out.

mangomoonmangomoon Posts: 2,127
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I have been looking into teacher training (Primary) but I need some advice as I really don't know where to start.

I have a degree, but it's in media, so I believe I couldn't do a postgraduate teacher training course to become a qualified teacher because of the subject of my degree. Is that correct?

I am willing to start over and do the years it takes to become a teacher, because this is what I want to do in life. It's just unfortunate it took me a while to realise it. I know I'm too late to apply for this year, and I still have volunteer work to do.

I would appreciate any help and PMs would be much better so I can talk about it in more detail :)

Thanks!

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    chiefettechiefette Posts: 163
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    I am a primary school teacher and would definitely recommend finding a school to carry out some volunteer work. This would give you a flavour of what to expect from the job.

    I'm not sure whether a degree in media would allow you to complete the PGCE. Someone else might be able to help you with that! You can train to be a teacher in 3 years on an undergraduate course. Feel free to PM me if you want any further advice/ information!
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    CloneClownCloneClown Posts: 6,296
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    Below are some parts of a private message I sent to another DS member who messaged me about getting into primary teaching. Not sure of your age so some of it may be irrelevant.

    Hope it is some help to you. :)

    You will firstly need to gain at least grade C in Science, Maths and English. If going onto A Levels, I would try and do one of these subjects since their core ones and then whatever else you fancy.

    I went to Uni and did a three year 'Education' degree but didn't intend on going into teaching until the final year. My degree had no school placements - was all just theory!

    You could do a 4 Year degree which does have school placements - lots of people do this. Or you could do any three year degree and then do the postgraduate teacher training - a PGCE (which is what I did at a different uni.) Either way, it still takes four years.

    I've gone from full time work to now doing supply so I teach anything from Nursery to Year 6 - very interesting. This is my third year of teaching and I still enjoy it very much.

    The most important thing I have learnt is that the job runs like a business. You will have targets to meet and expected to produce results. Assessment is a big thing in teaching - collecting data or evidence (e.g. marking books), analysing it and using it actively. You are there to teach them and you will be held solely accountable if they do not make progress - very stressful! The hard work starts at 3.30pm when the kids leave each day.

    Because you are still young and have plenty of time left, I would suggest try doing some volunteer work in a school. I did this and as well as being good experience into learning more about teaching, it looks good on your CV.
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    mangomoonmangomoon Posts: 2,127
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    Thank you very much. Yes, I'm quite young, only 23. I have a school that will take me in to do volunteer work so that's not a problem.

    It says on the tda.gov site

    "If you want to teach at primary level, a training provider will consider how relevant your degree is. Additional subject training can be taken if necessary."

    If anyone has been through the same, any advice on what the additional training is would be great.

    I looked at the subject knowledge enhancement courses but these all appear to be for secondary teaching, so I'm not sure if its a different type of subject training for primary..
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    Star_BrightStar_Bright Posts: 11,341
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    For starters, get a job as a TA in a primary school.


    I found all of the PGCE info I needed last summer, emailed local primary schools asking if they were looking for TA's (or if I could even come in voluntarily), and was given a full time job as a TA at the end of September.


    I hated it, though. Def don't want to be a teacher!
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    amw_99amw_99 Posts: 352
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    There are some 3 year courses that provide experience and are labelled 'Initial Teacher Training' courses. It depends on the uni. I'm doing a 3 year course, and will be fully qualified by the end of the year. I think you would have to ask the uni you want to go to about the degree you already have.
    Good luck!
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 2,703
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    I did a pgce in 2007/8. My advice is get experience in a school and talk to the universities about what they want. Whoever is in charge of admissions arrange to email and talk about what their requirements would be in your circumstances. People on my course had law degrees and all sorts and they successfully became teachers.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 252
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    I'm currently training to be a secondary maths teacher, but I considered doing primary school teaching for a while and I don't think you'll be able to go straight into the primary PGCE with a media degree. You might find that you have to complete a six month or year enhancement course first.

    Overall I would agree with everyone else's advice, definitely work in a school for a while first. It's not for everyone, so hopefully that would help you decide whether teaching is for you! Good luck!
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    MarzBar85MarzBar85 Posts: 15,004
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    Definately get experience in schools. It's not as easy/fun as it looks - it's hard work, with A LOT of unpaid overtime.

    Think about which age ranges you'd like to teach. Foundation stages require very little planning but lots of resources (plus additional stress put out by the Government, who state children MUST be at a certain level by the end of the year). The children effectively need 'trained' to adapt to school life - behaviour, learning, quiet time, sharing, making friends.

    Key Stage Two children are more independent, so require more planning, more marking but less preparation. You also get the attitudes starting to develop - personally I enjoy battling the attitudes.

    The Post Grad course is VERY tiring and hard work. You're in Uni 9-5, with a heavy uni work load. You're trained there (in half a year) to teach the entire curriculum, or techniques to help you teach the curriculum. The rest of the time is spent in schools, observing teachers, children, school life and finally teaching. With the teaching you have to plan, assess, monitor, mark - basically what a teacher does but with Uni work on top of you. I was going to bed around 1am and getting up around 6.30am (with Uni I got a lie in till 7.30!) It was literally the year from hell for me, and I'd never do it again.

    I'm struggling to find a permanent job at the moment - although supply work is coming in thick and fast for me (which is good experience - I am 're-capping' on my training.) Primary courses are very competitive to get on, and then the jobs are even more competitive. The area I'm in at the moment has on average 100 applicants for one job - so I'm looking all over the country for a job.

    This post sounds really depressing - teaching is a rewarding career, it's just bloody difficult! If you want any more information pm me.
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    bob187bob187 Posts: 1,280
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    Although I'm far less qualified to comment than others in the thread, my wife is currently doing a flexi PGCE course at the University of Greenwich.
    The duration determined by each student - she's completing in 18 months, others have taken 12 and some are doing it in 24.

    She was accepted onto this with the required GCSEs (English, Maths, Science) and a Degree in Sociology.

    I have no idea if this would be any more of less relvant to primary school teaching than your Media Degree. The impression I got when my wife was applying was that the Degree was more of an indication that you would be able to study effectlvely during the PGCE, rather than a base to increase your knowlegde on.

    The course in Greenwhich also had a January intake, and (at least when my wife applied) they were accepting applications up until the end of September.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 917
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    I don't think the fact that you have a Media degree will be an issue. I'm a secondary school teacher, and so my degree was important as I specialise, but you should be ok.
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    mangomoonmangomoon Posts: 2,127
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    Thank you for all your advice. I will be talking to the uni about it this week.
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    SystemSystem Posts: 2,096,970
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    I would have thought the degree subject was only important for secondary teachers, you're not exactly going to be teaching to a high level in primary are you lol
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 200
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    Hello, pgcer here! My friend doing a media degree was told that her degree wouldn't be accepted as it's irrelevent to primary schools; whereas my degree is English, and would therefore be fine as it's a national curriculum subject.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 383
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    At the end of the day in primary schools you need to teach all subjects so I think you could get a place on a PGCE course but I would make sure you get some school experience to back up your application. (Although I'm not convinced about getting a job as a TA...at ALL)

    Have you considered doing a GTP? You essentially train while you work and earn a basic wage (although it's nothing to get excited about)
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    GiraffeGirlGiraffeGirl Posts: 13,619
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    wordsearch wrote: »
    Hello, pgcer here! My friend doing a media degree was told that her degree wouldn't be accepted as it's irrelevent to primary schools; whereas my degree is English, and would therefore be fine as it's a national curriculum subject.

    I think it depends on the popularity of the course at the uni tbh. I know an ex primary teacher who has a psychology degree.
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    Blackadder VBlackadder V Posts: 2,283
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    My girlfriend got onto a PGCE for next year and she is finishing a media and Journalism degree. She does have nearly a year nursery experience as well as a month primary volunteer experience.

    They didn't even bring up her degree subject in the interview which suggests experience is key.


    I went for the same interview and was rejected because my 4 1/2 weeks primary experience in one school wasn't enough. They didn't mention my degree (History of Ideas) in the interview either.


    On that basis I would recommend lots of experience and volunteer work as has been suggested.


    Currently I am applying for TA jobs for the next school year as experience as I need to be earning to.
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    HotgossipHotgossip Posts: 22,385
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    Mangomoon - just wondering how you have discovered "this is what I want to do in life.":confused:
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 72
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    I'm doing Primary PGCE, I have a psychology degree but I know someone on the course has a degree in broadcasting. Get as much experience as you can so you know what you are letting yourself in for.
    I can back MarzBar up, The PGCE is VERY intense but in parts enjoyable, the uni based stuff is a bit of a slog but it's worth it for the time you get in school. On my course there were 10 applicants for every place on the course and demand is just going up and up. It is very competitive and there are some people in my group that have applied 2 or 3 years on the trot. Don't underestimate how important experience is. You need a realistic view of teaching, it is not all painting and glitter!
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    sadoldbirdsadoldbird Posts: 9,626
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    mangomoon wrote: »
    I have been looking into teacher training (Primary) but I need some advice as I really don't know where to start.

    I have a degree, but it's in media, so I believe I couldn't do a postgraduate teacher training course to become a qualified teacher because of the subject of my degree. Is that correct?

    I am willing to start over and do the years it takes to become a teacher, because this is what I want to do in life. It's just unfortunate it took me a while to realise it. I know I'm too late to apply for this year, and I still have volunteer work to do.

    I would appreciate any help and PMs would be much better so I can talk about it in more detail :)







    They may not preclude you on your degree choice but they may well look at your A levels and GCSEs for evidence of basic academic abiltity.

    Unfortunately, I think you've chosen a bad time to go into the profession. From what I hear, places on teacher training courses are in high demand because of the economic recession (rightly or wrongly, it's seen as a safe career choice in hard times).

    But do not be put off. If you have a real interest and aptitude for teaching, then you should stand out from the crowd. Apply through the normal channels and in the meantime, get as much experience and good references that you can.

    Good luck.
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