Never heard of that one. I have heard that women and men dont like being stared at. Is this what you are thinking of?
Never heard of that one. I have heard that some women think its rather tiresome to regularly have men come up to them wanting friendly chats about their clothes, where they are going, how they look etc etc. When the same men dont appear to want to have the same chats with other men, and would rather men did not initiate these converstations. Is this what you are thinking of?
Now this is one I have heard of. I think the consensus is it is polite to open the door to men and women.
Back to one I have never heard of. What are you thinking of?
We (boys) were told at school not to look at girls directly as it upsets them - we were to look at their neck, just below the chin. Women they tend to look sharply away if you look as if trying to give a negative message. But the opposite is true of older women - they often smile quite friendly without jolting their head away. I don't understand it all myself.
From Merriam-webster.com (first site that came up):
: unfair treatment of people because of their sex; especially : unfair treatment of women
Full Definition of SEXISM
1
: prejudice or discrimination based on sex; especially : discrimination against women
2
: behavior, conditions, or attitudes that foster stereotypes of social roles based on sex
You see, this bloke didn't say what he said because she was a woman (the gender), he said it because he found her attractive. He was complimenting *her*, not making a general statement about all women.
It's a bit like a bloke saying (of a woman who has just reversed into his car) 'damn stupid woman'. That's not sexist - but if he had said 'bloomin' typical woman driver', then that would have been sexist. It's about stereotyping.
You're still wrong.
All women are bitches - sexist.
You are a woman therefore you are a bitch - sexist.
I like the ladies - they're so pretty and sweet and I can say that to them when I like and the dear little things will be happy to have my interest - creepy and sexist.
I like your picture, lady - I'd like to meet you and work with you - creepy and sexist.
I appreciate that this is probably horrendously politically incorrect but that is a stunning picture. You definitely win the prize for the best LinkedIn picture I have ever seen - creepy and sexist.
I might be wrong, but koantemplation seems to be making fun of Carter-Silk's claim: "Most people post pretty unprofessional pictures on Linked in, my comment was aimed at the professional quality of the presentation on linked in which was unfortunately misinterpreted."
Hence, koentemplation's tongue-in-cheek question to you.
You were saying that she has used her looks to progress her career. In fact you seemed to find it funny that anyone could claim otherwise.
Because I think she probably has.
Because I think she'd be silly not to and by 'using her looks' I don't mean dropping her knickers.
Isn't she 'using her looks' by having a profile picture in the first place? AFAIK, it's not compulsory on LinkedIn.
I think that her offence had everything to do with his age and the fact that she didn't find him attractive and she's outraged by his audacity to the point of idiocy.
She comes across as a far worse human being in all this than he does IMO
The woman is up herself and a total airhead attention seeker.
The guy has put himself in the firing line but he doesn't say SHE is stunning only that it is the best picture he has seen and the PICTURE is stunning.
For all this silly woman knows he could have been complimenting the composition of the photograph couldn't he??
Still doesn't mean you have a right to send an inappropriate message. You can think what you like, but unless you and the other person know each other well, you can't say it in a professional environment.
There's a photo - professionally done, incidentally - of a male colleague that makes him look like a Hollywood film star of the 1930s. Think Gary Cooper. Similar to this photo. Same composure and looks. Good enough for me to jump on his bones, but would I tell him that? Never. Not even if I was high on crack.
I wasn't defending the actions of the man. I agree that his message was unprofessional and inappropriate for LinkedIn.
What annoyed me though was the hypocrisy of the woman's reply:
‘The eroticisation of women’s physical appearance is a way of exercising power over women. It silences women’s professional attributes as their physical appearance becomes the subject.’
She is complaining about the "eroticisation of women's appearance' and women being judged on their looks but then quite clearly has chosen a photo which she knows full well will appeal to those predominantly male heads of law firms. I am pretty sure that if most law firms were run by women she'd have used a subtly different professionally taken photo.
It does look like she's opted for an unusually glamorous photo. Most people on LinkedIn just use a normal everyday picture, but she's clearly gone the extra mile to select one that she thinks will make her look attractive.
She wasn't being ageist a man old enough to be her father sent her an inappropriate message on a business website.
So then, what about Bruce Willis, Billy Joel, Peter Stringfellow, Sam whatever her double barrelled name is (50 Shades director), John Cleese ..................
This woman was extremely rude in the way she attacked a man who merely paid her a compliment. Since the feminist sisterhood took charge, no man has been able to say anything nice about a woman without it being twisted into 'abuse' or 'bullying'. What a nasty, childish lot they are.
It's a war on men. That is the only excuse I see this being used hidden behind the girl power agenda.
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Quite - the guy didn't even say anything remotely sexual or 'seedy' as some on here are trying to paint it. It was a compliment. People of his age used to be able to give a woman a compliment and it would be happily accepted as such.
No wonder there are so many single women and broken marriages if this is the attitude today.
................... and times have moved on. The former (flirty) may be happening all the time and a nuisance for some, but OTT response and public shaming, really? The latter (groping) AFAIK is relatively not as rife as it was back in the 50's 60's etc......... times move on, for the better, it's not directly comparable is it?
My problem is if she has ever judged or approached or spoken to anyone in any way that mirrors that which she has found offensive (and lets face it, doesn't / hasn't everyone) then she just need to have a think and not shoot from the hip. She is no better than the person she has denigrated and may have 'morally' come off worse because of her actions. He's an idiot and will learn from this experience (one hopes / expects) will she?
We (boys) were told at school not to look at girls directly as it upsets them - we were to look at their neck, just below the chin. Women they tend to look sharply away if you look as if trying to give a negative message. But the opposite is true of older women - they often smile quite friendly without jolting their head away. I don't understand it all myself.
If you're looking at their neck, then they'll condemn you for thinking you're looking at their chest. It is starting to sound like the 1920s.
The woman is up herself and a total airhead attention seeker.
The guy has put himself in the firing line but he doesn't say SHE is stunning only that it is the best picture he has seen and the PICTURE is stunning.
For all this silly woman knows he could have been complimenting the composition of the photograph couldn't he??
You are a woman therefore you are a bitch - sexist.
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Both those are indeed sexist. But calling a woman a bitch is not sexist if she is behaving like one. Likewise, saying you find one particular woman attractive is not sexist. He was not calling her attractive just because she is a woman or because he finds all women attractive. He said she was attractive because she is. That is not sexism.
I might be wrong, but koantemplation seems to be making fun of Carter-Silk's claim: "Most people post pretty unprofessional pictures on Linked in, my comment was aimed at the professional quality of the presentation on linked in which was unfortunately misinterpreted."
Hence, koentemplation's tongue-in-cheek question to you.
My question was not 'tongue in cheek'.
I was under the impression he said that the photo was stunning, and not that he said she was stunning.
Perhaps he thought the composition of the photo made her stand out from the other people on Linked in, which is what some people might want a photo to do.
Because I think she'd be silly not to and by 'using her looks' I don't mean dropping her knickers.
Isn't she 'using her looks' by having a profile picture in the first place? AFAIK, it's not compulsory on LinkedIn.
I think that her offence had everything to do with his age and the fact that she didn't find him attractive and she's outraged by his audacity to the point of idiocy.
She comes across as a far worse human being in all this than he does IMO
To be honest you don't seem able to imagine someone not using their looks to advance their career which seems pretty shallow on your part.
Also, you didn't respond to my questions about what would be moral or immoral to progress when you said everything would be fine.
As to your point about her having a picture on LinkedIn, what a ridiculous comment.
You clearly have no understanding of professional attitudes and standards.
Both those are indeed sexist. But calling a woman a bitch is not sexist if she is behaving like one. Likewise, saying you find one particular woman attractive is not sexist. He was not calling her attractive just because she is a woman or because he finds all women attractive. He said she was attractive because she is. That is not sexism.
The sexism bit, was saying that someone was attractive on a site designed for careers, not for dating.
The woman is up herself and a total airhead attention seeker.
The guy has put himself in the firing line but he doesn't say SHE is stunning only that it is the best picture he has seen and the PICTURE is stunning.
For all this silly woman knows he could have been complimenting the composition of the photograph couldn't he??
If you believe that then you're as dumb as he's arrogant.
Both those are indeed sexist. But calling a woman a bitch is not sexist if she is behaving like one. Likewise, saying you find one particular woman attractive is not sexist. He was not calling her attractive just because she is a woman or because he finds all women attractive. He said she was attractive because she is. That is not sexism.
So would he have complimented a man in the same way or does he reserve his compliments for the ladies?
It was sexist but you go on and claim it wasn't and back the man up.
The woman is up herself and a total airhead attention seeker.
The guy has put himself in the firing line but he doesn't say SHE is stunning only that it is the best picture he has seen and the PICTURE is stunning.
For all this silly woman knows he could have been complimenting the composition of the photograph couldn't he??
Why would anyone consider complimenting the technical aspects of a photograph as "horrendously politically incorrect"?
Her response was perhaps over the top but, as you say, she was reacting to his treatment of her within a professional environment. As it stands, his firm needs to know how he's approaching people on LinkedIn, and whether he's treating anyone in the workplace in the same way.
I thought the world had moved on quite a bit in its understanding and rejection of sexism in the work environment but thanks to threads like these, maybe more needs to be done.
More doesn't need to be done through hyperbole. Do you think people such as herself who take a situation and run to the moon with it like this help any just causes? They don't, they entrench views more than enlighten, they damage the very cause they are fighting for.
We (boys) were told at school not to look at girls directly as it upsets them - we were to look at their neck, just below the chin. Women they tend to look sharply away if you look as if trying to give a negative message. But the opposite is true of older women - they often smile quite friendly without jolting their head away. I don't understand it all myself.
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Never heard of this, nor have I encountered women looking sharply away or appearing uncomfortable if I look directly at them while talking to them.
The woman needs to get a grip. How is complimenting a woman's appearance misogyny? And from what I can see, he was quite polite about it too; he said "your picture looks stunning" rather than something like "Nice tits".
Yes, you could argue that he was being unprofessional and should have been using LinkedIn for business purposes, but being misogynistic he was not.
This is the problem with modern feminism. Everything is misogyny and everything is an example of women's oppression by the patriarchy; including any man who tries to compliment a women. Men are one single organised collective rather than a group of different individuals who so happen to have similar biological features and they are the enemy.
My suggestion to them is to spend some time in an actual patriarchy like Saudi Arabia were women have essentially no rights.
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How is it a misunderstanding?
We (boys) were told at school not to look at girls directly as it upsets them - we were to look at their neck, just below the chin. Women they tend to look sharply away if you look as if trying to give a negative message. But the opposite is true of older women - they often smile quite friendly without jolting their head away. I don't understand it all myself.
Er, she's in the photo so it's her.
Or am I missing something?
You're still wrong.
All women are bitches - sexist.
You are a woman therefore you are a bitch - sexist.
I like the ladies - they're so pretty and sweet and I can say that to them when I like and the dear little things will be happy to have my interest - creepy and sexist.
I like your picture, lady - I'd like to meet you and work with you - creepy and sexist.
I appreciate that this is probably horrendously politically incorrect but that is a stunning picture. You definitely win the prize for the best LinkedIn picture I have ever seen - creepy and sexist.
I might be wrong, but koantemplation seems to be making fun of Carter-Silk's claim: "Most people post pretty unprofessional pictures on Linked in, my comment was aimed at the professional quality of the presentation on linked in which was unfortunately misinterpreted."
Hence, koentemplation's tongue-in-cheek question to you.
Because I think she'd be silly not to and by 'using her looks' I don't mean dropping her knickers.
Isn't she 'using her looks' by having a profile picture in the first place? AFAIK, it's not compulsory on LinkedIn.
I think that her offence had everything to do with his age and the fact that she didn't find him attractive and she's outraged by his audacity to the point of idiocy.
She comes across as a far worse human being in all this than he does IMO
The guy has put himself in the firing line but he doesn't say SHE is stunning only that it is the best picture he has seen and the PICTURE is stunning.
For all this silly woman knows he could have been complimenting the composition of the photograph couldn't he??
I wasn't defending the actions of the man. I agree that his message was unprofessional and inappropriate for LinkedIn.
What annoyed me though was the hypocrisy of the woman's reply:
She is complaining about the "eroticisation of women's appearance' and women being judged on their looks but then quite clearly has chosen a photo which she knows full well will appeal to those predominantly male heads of law firms. I am pretty sure that if most law firms were run by women she'd have used a subtly different professionally taken photo.
Which it doesn't. She is plain as hell.
So then, what about Bruce Willis, Billy Joel, Peter Stringfellow, Sam whatever her double barrelled name is (50 Shades director), John Cleese ..................
It's a war on men. That is the only excuse I see this being used hidden behind the girl power agenda.
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No wonder there are so many single women and broken marriages if this is the attitude today.
For the worst.
Nick Knowles 52, wife 27. Does that make them bad?
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/tvshowbiz/article-2005848/Nick-Knowles-Jessica-Rose-Moor-25-year-age-gap-I-Peter-Pan-complex.html
Lol! "Explain please as if we're 6 years old."
What a society we have become. This feels like a girl power stunt because today you can get internet fame so quickly.
If you're looking at their neck, then they'll condemn you for thinking you're looking at their chest. It is starting to sound like the 1920s.
Vanessa Feltz was right on it.
Both those are indeed sexist. But calling a woman a bitch is not sexist if she is behaving like one. Likewise, saying you find one particular woman attractive is not sexist. He was not calling her attractive just because she is a woman or because he finds all women attractive. He said she was attractive because she is. That is not sexism.
My question was not 'tongue in cheek'.
I was under the impression he said that the photo was stunning, and not that he said she was stunning.
Perhaps he thought the composition of the photo made her stand out from the other people on Linked in, which is what some people might want a photo to do.
To be honest you don't seem able to imagine someone not using their looks to advance their career which seems pretty shallow on your part.
Also, you didn't respond to my questions about what would be moral or immoral to progress when you said everything would be fine.
As to your point about her having a picture on LinkedIn, what a ridiculous comment.
You clearly have no understanding of professional attitudes and standards.
The sexism bit, was saying that someone was attractive on a site designed for careers, not for dating.
Or a Richard Keys "I'd smash it!"
If you believe that then you're as dumb as he's arrogant.
Charlotte Proudman says Linkedin isn't a social media website. According to Wikipedia...
You're dealing with people, you're socialising in business...
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/LinkedIn
So would he have complimented a man in the same way or does he reserve his compliments for the ladies?
It was sexist but you go on and claim it wasn't and back the man up.
More doesn't need to be done through hyperbole. Do you think people such as herself who take a situation and run to the moon with it like this help any just causes? They don't, they entrench views more than enlighten, they damage the very cause they are fighting for.
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Never heard of this, nor have I encountered women looking sharply away or appearing uncomfortable if I look directly at them while talking to them.
Yes, you could argue that he was being unprofessional and should have been using LinkedIn for business purposes, but being misogynistic he was not.
This is the problem with modern feminism. Everything is misogyny and everything is an example of women's oppression by the patriarchy; including any man who tries to compliment a women. Men are one single organised collective rather than a group of different individuals who so happen to have similar biological features and they are the enemy.
My suggestion to them is to spend some time in an actual patriarchy like Saudi Arabia were women have essentially no rights.
Everything seems to be politically incorrect nowadays.