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Germany ready to accept UK EU Exit
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-29874392
Angela Merkel has finally publicly accept that the United Kingdom maybe heading for the exit. The German's will not accept curbs to EU Free Movement of People rule and would rather see the UK leave then adjust said rule.
So it seems anything Cameron attempts to do to reduce Immigration is not destined to fail as the EU Mothership has spoken. However, Cameron still seems to think there maybe a way to reduce the numbers but at this point, it seems he's going to go straight into a brick wall.
So we're got the EU and Germany saying no to Migration curbs, Surely we won't win this now. I'd assume most people (both in the EU and the UK) would prefer the trade agreement rather than this constantly back and forth arguing?.
The Referendum almost seems Inevitable now, they should just get on with it and put it to rest. It does seem to me that when this Referendum comes, it will be all or nothing, we won't get another chance at this. This time it should be made clear to the public what the options are:
If you vote In:
*You're giving permission for the UK to join a Federal Europe
*You agree to give the EU all controlling power from Westminster
*You agree to stop holding a General Election at some point in the future
*You agree to join the Euro
*You agree to stop moaning about the EU/Treaties/Immigration
If you vote out
*You may lose all trade with the EU
*You may lose hundreds of thousands of jobs
*The Treasury will have £10bn-ish more per annum
*You're free to trade with rest of the world, which may cost more than EU membership
*You have full control of your Borders
Angela Merkel has finally publicly accept that the United Kingdom maybe heading for the exit. The German's will not accept curbs to EU Free Movement of People rule and would rather see the UK leave then adjust said rule.
So it seems anything Cameron attempts to do to reduce Immigration is not destined to fail as the EU Mothership has spoken. However, Cameron still seems to think there maybe a way to reduce the numbers but at this point, it seems he's going to go straight into a brick wall.
So we're got the EU and Germany saying no to Migration curbs, Surely we won't win this now. I'd assume most people (both in the EU and the UK) would prefer the trade agreement rather than this constantly back and forth arguing?.
The Referendum almost seems Inevitable now, they should just get on with it and put it to rest. It does seem to me that when this Referendum comes, it will be all or nothing, we won't get another chance at this. This time it should be made clear to the public what the options are:
If you vote In:
*You're giving permission for the UK to join a Federal Europe
*You agree to give the EU all controlling power from Westminster
*You agree to stop holding a General Election at some point in the future
*You agree to join the Euro
*You agree to stop moaning about the EU/Treaties/Immigration
If you vote out
*You may lose all trade with the EU
*You may lose hundreds of thousands of jobs
*The Treasury will have £10bn-ish more per annum
*You're free to trade with rest of the world, which may cost more than EU membership
*You have full control of your Borders
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Watching him then spin THE most non-entity of a non-renegotiation as "absolutely concrete, incontrovertible proof of why we should stay in" is going to be a treasure to behold. I bags the popcorn concession on that one.
Wouldn't it be easier to just create a new type of membership for UK.
What annoys me is they behave as if all 27 countries are somehow equal. Were rapidly becoming the biggest contributor. If were not happy the others should be making an effort to accommodate our needs and not just complaining that we can't expect special treatment.
You basically want us to get special treatment over all the other members? I for one respect the EU effort to treat all members equally but of course nowadays equality is a dirty word because it's all about pc gone mad and hating the EU.
Oddly we managed for quite a long time to do very well trading with the rest of the world - without having to be part of some European union. London is arguably the world's greatest capital city - hence the world's mega elite wanting to invest and live there. And ultimately future is Malaysia, China, Singapore, Brazil, India, Australia, Canada etc - many of whom are historic commonwealth allies - not Slovakia and Greece!
Time we stopped being cowed down in some antiquated backward union full of nations who aren't far off bankruptcy - and realised our potential to develop relationships with the future not the past! Cos over 180 nations manage just fine outside the EU.
If Cameron called off Refendum promise they might cut him some backroom deals. What Europe fear most is a referendum as other electorates will want one. Once that happens Europe is torn apart by its own electorate. So destroy Cameron is the order of the day by Europe elite.
Almost everytime people have been given a vote on EU issues in the last 15 years in Western Europe the people said no - Denmark, Ireland, France and the Netherlands. And when they didn't like the answer they were just ignored by the EU establishment or told to vote again until they gave the right answer - Ireland in particular was effectively threatened with bankruptcy in the second vote on the Lisbon treaty.
So I do worry what might happen if the people start getting too uppity.
Why is it that, now the EU might give you what you want without wasting millions on a referendum, you're now suddenly back-tracking and asking why the EU can't just give us what (you) want?
I think some of you guys just like the sound of your own voice...
Agreed. It is the referendum promise that is the issue. They ignore Farage /LePen etc as all their rhetoric is meaningless as they can't do anything. Get yes man Miliband installed and they think it will die down. No doubt promises made that he can have a few concessions if he doesn't upset the applecart.
They can only make you have more votes if you want to stay in.
except those are not the options - if you vote to stay in you will still have GE's and it is not at all clear that you will join the Euro. On the other hand if you vote to stay out you certainly will not lose all trade with the EU.
we need more realistic options
I like the way you put "may" to the first two on the vote out list!
Its not equal though! We are steeling all the good romanians how can that be fair?
What human rights will effect you personally if we left the EU? I would love to know what your worried about?
Not exactly "clear" is it?
Thats the whole point its not clear and its only UKIP who tell us about the EU.
We never get con or lab saying the EU is great because XYZ which leaves the british voter to see how crowded our towns are,how schools are bulging,NHS straining, and think that UKIP are correct! (Maybe they are)
You're obviously not a fan of democracy.
Wow, Godwin's Law at only post #24!
That only makes sense if you think UKIP are presenting a totally unbiased and fair view of the EU. Sadly, they have as much self interest as all other politicians and parties.