But why do they need to do anything? An elderley woman has died. Her family are without a mother and grandmother now.
There is no need for any protests or nastiness at all. Just be adult about it and let it pass instead of being immature and pathetic..
If this is the mentality of the people of England then it's no wonder the country is in a mess.
But why do they need to do anything? An elderley woman has died. Her family are without a mother and grandmother now.
There is no need for any protests or nastiness at all. Just be adult about it and let it pass instead of being immature and pathetic..
If this is the mentality of the people of England then it's no wonder the country is in a mess.
If that's all is was, that would be fine.
But it isn't. She's not any 'elderly woman'. Her policies, and the spiteful, vindictive manner in which they were implemented, created damage to millions of people's lives. Some of them are still living with that damage.
Please can you explain why those people should be denied a voice? Why they are supposed to forget when Thatcher is being hyped to the heavens by the government? And why is it 'immature and pathetic' if they aren't willing to? Even this morning's Daily Telegraph understands that.
Compassion and empathy were never Thatcher traits. So why they should be extended to her now is beyond me. Let the people speak. Some of them may not be saying what you would like. Tough. That's what a democracy is.
As Cestrian18 rightly says, if people downloading a track is all that happens, it's quite a subdued reaction.
I agree. I posted in the other Thatcher thread that as of the mid-week chart, it'd only been downloaded 10,600 times. Not exactly a lot in the grand scheme of things. If it gets top 3, or even number 1, that's more of a reflection on how few sales you need to achieve that these days (and whether the official Chart has much relevance anymore) than on how big this 'protest' is. If downloading a track is all that's needed to allow people to get any rage or whatever out of their system, then let them do it. Better than kicking in bus stops.
So 'Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead' has made it into the top 10 of the official charts. Well I for one am outraged that all these lazy left wing benefit cheats are spending our tax money on Mp3's and Compact Discs instead of beer and cigarettes.
I downloaded it and I work full time in financial services and have never claimed a benefit.... I paid for it with my own money.
Extremely unlikely this is going to be #1 come Sunday.
Corrected that there for you
It's 14k sales behind the number 1 song as of the latest update. The facebook group which is orchestrating this campaign only has approximately 8k members the majority of whom probably haven't even bought the song and wont buy the song but have just joined the group so they can say they were a part of it
It will chart in the top 5, possibly even the top 3 but all that goes to show is how easy the UK charts can be manipulated these days if enough people get behind the same idea.
I agree with you. It's people like that that make you ashamed to be English.
I beggars belief that these people are supposed to be adults.
Its amazing the difference a border can make. If by the grace of God you'd been born Scottish you'd have probably spent a large part of Monday afternoon pissing yourself with laughter.
It doesn't make anyone less grown up to mark the passing of someone who was hated in large parts of the country.
Would you prefer that people took to the streets?
Maybe you'd prefer a whitewash of history so that, now she's dead Maggie, is painted as a Saint?
Maybe everyone who was hated should suddenly be loved universally upon their death, and any wrong doing should be swept under the carpet?
Let people buy the song if they want. There's better songs they could have picked.
Personally I'm reminded of the last sentence in Casino Royale by Ian Fleming "the butch is dead now"
According to the BBC News this started six years ago. A campaign to get the song to No.1 if and when Mrs Thatcher died. I didn't like the woman but this has gone too far.
Also I really dislike The Wizard of Oz so wouldn't dream of buying any song from that movie. :eek:
According to the BBC News this started six years ago. A campaign to get the song to No.1 if and when Mrs Thatcher died. I didn't like the woman but this has gone too far.
Also I really dislike The Wizard of Oz so wouldn't dream of buying any song from that movie. :eek:
Your use of 'if' there made me laugh.
I wonder, with this choice of song, will Dark Side of the Moon sync up with the funeral at all?
From another thread on DS, which now makes this whole thread irrelevant. :)
Just to set everyone clear:- Channel 5 news had an interview with the showbiz editor of The Sun tonight, in relation to his views on the song. He explained that he had contacted the Official Charts Company who believed that the song didn't represent a single which was being bought in relation to musical taste but on the grounds of political views, which could cause both conflict and hurt to some listeners. The Official charts company PROHIBIT such tracks to be counted in relation to chart positions. Itunes are still allowing the song to be purchased as the song itself is not meant to cause offence in anyway, all profits of the song will go to the producer of the track. However the song will not be play listed on the Official Top 40 Chart Show on any platforms come Sunday. The public can still buy the song, and it will chart on independent charts however it will not be shown on the Official charting outlets. Radio stations are still permitted to play the song BUT not during Official Chart Countdowns
From another thread on DS, which now makes this whole thread irrelevant. :)
Just to set everyone clear:- Channel 5 news had an interview with the showbiz editor of The Sun tonight, in relation to his views on the song. He explained that he had contacted the Official Charts Company who believed that the song didn't represent a single which was being bought in relation to musical taste but on the grounds of political views, which could cause both conflict and hurt to some listeners. The Official charts company PROHIBIT such tracks to be counted in relation to chart positions. Itunes are still allowing the song to be purchased as the song itself is not meant to cause offence in anyway, all profits of the song will go to the producer of the track. However the song will not be play listed on the Official Top 40 Chart Show on any platforms come Sunday. The public can still buy the song, and it will chart on independent charts however it will not be shown on the Official charting outlets. Radio stations are still permitted to play the song BUT not during Official Chart Countdowns
I don't think so. It'll chart and it'll get played.
From another thread on DS, which now makes this whole thread irrelevant. :)
Just to set everyone clear:- Channel 5 news had an interview with the showbiz editor of The Sun tonight, in relation to his views on the song. He explained that he had contacted the Official Charts Company who believed that the song didn't represent a single which was being bought in relation to musical taste but on the grounds of political views, which could cause both conflict and hurt to some listeners. The Official charts company PROHIBIT such tracks to be counted in relation to chart positions. Itunes are still allowing the song to be purchased as the song itself is not meant to cause offence in anyway, all profits of the song will go to the producer of the track. However the song will not be play listed on the Official Top 40 Chart Show on any platforms come Sunday. The public can still buy the song, and it will chart on independent charts however it will not be shown on the Official charting outlets. Radio stations are still permitted to play the song BUT not during Official Chart Countdowns
Unless it's changed since, that article was debunked pretty much as soon as the other thread publicised it.
From another thread on DS, which now makes this whole thread irrelevant. :)
Just to set everyone clear:- Channel 5 news had an interview with the showbiz editor of The Sun tonight, in relation to his views on the song. He explained that he had contacted the Official Charts Company who believed that the song didn't represent a single which was being bought in relation to musical taste but on the grounds of political views, which could cause both conflict and hurt to some listeners. The Official charts company PROHIBIT such tracks to be counted in relation to chart positions. Itunes are still allowing the song to be purchased as the song itself is not meant to cause offence in anyway, all profits of the song will go to the producer of the track. However the song will not be play listed on the Official Top 40 Chart Show on any platforms come Sunday. The public can still buy the song, and it will chart on independent charts however it will not be shown on the Official charting outlets. Radio stations are still permitted to play the song BUT not during Official Chart Countdowns
Unfortunately, your linkless story rather conflicts with this, in which the OCC say that 'Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead' will get a chart placing:
Ha Ha, let's see who's right on Mon, the Guardian that bastion of leftist views run by monied Oxbridge graduates, who peddle their Leftist views that people willing suck up, then run along to their country retreats and nice city town houses living the life of exactly what they pro port to despise. Before you pipe up Servalan that is fact as I know people who have worked in there for a long time.:):):rolleyes:
Ha Ha, let's see who's right on Mon, the Guardian that bastion of leftist views run by monied Oxbridge graduates, who peddle their Leftist views that people willing suck up, then run along to their country retreats and nice city town houses living the life of exactly what they pro port to despise. Before you pipe up Servalan that is fact as I know people who have worked in there for a long time.:):):rolleyes:
Not really interested in who or who doesn't run The Guardian or where they do or don't live - but I hardly think they'd specifically attribute things to the OCC if they weren't true. This isn't the Daily Heil or one of Murdoch's twisted rags, and, even if they had got their facts wrong, the OCC would have demanded a correction by now, so that first link wouldn't read as it does.
And given the Daily Heil is getting itself in a lather about the success of 'Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead' and trying to smear the woman whose Facebook page launched the campaign, it would seem that they believe what's in The Guardian, too.
From another thread on DS, which now makes this whole thread irrelevant. :)
Just to set everyone clear:- Channel 5 news had an interview with the showbiz editor of The Sun tonight, in relation to his views on the song. He explained that he had contacted the Official Charts Company who believed that the song didn't represent a single which was being bought in relation to musical taste but on the grounds of political views, which could cause both conflict and hurt to some listeners. The Official charts company PROHIBIT such tracks to be counted in relation to chart positions. Itunes are still allowing the song to be purchased as the song itself is not meant to cause offence in anyway, all profits of the song will go to the producer of the track. However the song will not be play listed on the Official Top 40 Chart Show on any platforms come Sunday. The public can still buy the song, and it will chart on independent charts however it will not be shown on the Official charting outlets. Radio stations are still permitted to play the song BUT not during Official Chart Countdowns
Wouldn't political protest be just as legitimate reason to buy a single as anything else though? I can't see how the chart company could get away from banning an anti-government, anti-austerity or anti-war song for example.
Ha Ha, let's see who's right on Mon, the Guardian that bastion of leftist views run by monied Oxbridge graduates, who peddle their Leftist views that people willing suck up, then run along to their country retreats and nice city town houses living the life of exactly what they pro port to despise. Before you pipe up Servalan that is fact as I know people who have worked in there for a long time.:):):rolleyes:
Let me get this straight.
The Sun = Reliable news source
The Guardian = Unreliable news source
Ha Ha, let's see who's right on Mon, the Guardian that bastion of leftist views run by monied Oxbridge graduates, who peddle their Leftist views that people willing suck up, then run along to their country retreats and nice city town houses living the life of exactly what they pro port to despise. Before you pipe up Servalan that is fact as I know people who have worked in there for a long time.:):):rolleyes:
The ONLY source that counts is the official source, The Official Charts Company.
Ding Dong! The Witch Is Dead, from the soundtrack of the 1939 film The Wizard Of Oz, has moved up to Number 4 in the race to top this Sunday’s Official Singles Chart.
That's today, more recently than Channel 5, the Mail, Sun, Guardian and anyone else who wants to have a go at the guessing game.
It will chart, and so it should. It will probably not be played, and that's right too, IMHO.
I'm sure Murdoch, the Daily Heil and the Helegraph will being doing their damnedest to try and pretend 'Ding Dong ...' is only being bought by students who are so clueless that they have so be told what to do by a Facebook campaign.
Why just students? Surely there are others who are downloading it as well? I'm a bit lost
According to the BBC News this started six years ago. A campaign to get the song to No.1 if and when Mrs Thatcher died. I didn't like the woman but this has gone too far.:
I agree, and this situation with this song reaching number one in the downloads chart has me concerned for the chart itself.
If a campaign like this can get a single to number one what is to stop previously banned songs, homophobic, racist songs from reaching number one?
When the queen dies, God save the queen by the sex pistols could be number one.....
The Christmas number one....this could be interesting.....
Because of the situation around Mrs Thatcher's death the possibilities of nasty songs can make it to the charts and there is nothing that can stop this...I can't see the charts being restricted or banned...
Well that's modern technology for you, any song from any album or film can get into the download chart whatever the content of the song...
I agree, and this situation with this song reaching number one in the downloads chart has me concerned for the chart itself.
If a campaign like this can get a single to number one what is to stop previously banned songs, homophobic, racist songs from reaching number one?
When the queen dies, God save the queen by the sex pistols could be number one.....
The Christmas number one....this could be interesting.....
Because of the situation around Mrs Thatcher's death the possibilities of nasty songs can make it to the charts and there is nothing that can stop this...I can't see the charts being restricted or banned...
Well that's modern technology for you, any song from any album or film can get into the download chart whatever the content of the song...
Pandora's box has been opened......
You missed the Rage against the machine vs X Factor campaign afew years ago then I take it?
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My thoughts exactly, let the dead rest in peace.
If that's all is was, that would be fine.
But it isn't. She's not any 'elderly woman'. Her policies, and the spiteful, vindictive manner in which they were implemented, created damage to millions of people's lives. Some of them are still living with that damage.
Please can you explain why those people should be denied a voice? Why they are supposed to forget when Thatcher is being hyped to the heavens by the government? And why is it 'immature and pathetic' if they aren't willing to? Even this morning's Daily Telegraph understands that.
Compassion and empathy were never Thatcher traits. So why they should be extended to her now is beyond me. Let the people speak. Some of them may not be saying what you would like. Tough. That's what a democracy is.
Extremely likely this is going to be #1 come Sunday.
Corrected that there for you
It's 14k sales behind the number 1 song as of the latest update. The facebook group which is orchestrating this campaign only has approximately 8k members the majority of whom probably haven't even bought the song and wont buy the song but have just joined the group so they can say they were a part of it
It will chart in the top 5, possibly even the top 3 but all that goes to show is how easy the UK charts can be manipulated these days if enough people get behind the same idea.
Its amazing the difference a border can make. If by the grace of God you'd been born Scottish you'd have probably spent a large part of Monday afternoon pissing yourself with laughter.
It doesn't make anyone less grown up to mark the passing of someone who was hated in large parts of the country.
Would you prefer that people took to the streets?
Maybe you'd prefer a whitewash of history so that, now she's dead Maggie, is painted as a Saint?
Maybe everyone who was hated should suddenly be loved universally upon their death, and any wrong doing should be swept under the carpet?
Let people buy the song if they want. There's better songs they could have picked.
Personally I'm reminded of the last sentence in Casino Royale by Ian Fleming "the butch is dead now"
Also I really dislike The Wizard of Oz so wouldn't dream of buying any song from that movie. :eek:
Your use of 'if' there made me laugh.
I wonder, with this choice of song, will Dark Side of the Moon sync up with the funeral at all?
Just to set everyone clear:- Channel 5 news had an interview with the showbiz editor of The Sun tonight, in relation to his views on the song. He explained that he had contacted the Official Charts Company who believed that the song didn't represent a single which was being bought in relation to musical taste but on the grounds of political views, which could cause both conflict and hurt to some listeners. The Official charts company PROHIBIT such tracks to be counted in relation to chart positions. Itunes are still allowing the song to be purchased as the song itself is not meant to cause offence in anyway, all profits of the song will go to the producer of the track. However the song will not be play listed on the Official Top 40 Chart Show on any platforms come Sunday. The public can still buy the song, and it will chart on independent charts however it will not be shown on the Official charting outlets. Radio stations are still permitted to play the song BUT not during Official Chart Countdowns
I don't think so. It'll chart and it'll get played.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/apr/11/bbc-ding-dong-thatcher-facebook
Unfortunately, your linkless story rather conflicts with this, in which the OCC say that 'Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead' will get a chart placing:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/apr/10/thatcher-death-ding-dong-witch
And this, which refers to it appearing in Sunday's chart countdown and being played on Radio 1:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2013/apr/11/bbc-ding-dong-thatcher-facebook
So not so irrelevant after all, perhaps?
Not really interested in who or who doesn't run The Guardian or where they do or don't live - but I hardly think they'd specifically attribute things to the OCC if they weren't true. This isn't the Daily Heil or one of Murdoch's twisted rags, and, even if they had got their facts wrong, the OCC would have demanded a correction by now, so that first link wouldn't read as it does.
And given the Daily Heil is getting itself in a lather about the success of 'Ding Dong The Witch Is Dead' and trying to smear the woman whose Facebook page launched the campaign, it would seem that they believe what's in The Guardian, too.
Oh well. We shall see ...
Wouldn't political protest be just as legitimate reason to buy a single as anything else though? I can't see how the chart company could get away from banning an anti-government, anti-austerity or anti-war song for example.
Let me get this straight.
The Sun = Reliable news source
The Guardian = Unreliable news source
Yeah....
The ONLY source that counts is the official source, The Official Charts Company.
http://www.officialcharts.com/chart-news/ding-dong-the-witch-is-dead-headed-for-official-top-5-2156/
That's today, more recently than Channel 5, the Mail, Sun, Guardian and anyone else who wants to have a go at the guessing game.
It will chart, and so it should. It will probably not be played, and that's right too, IMHO.
Why just students? Surely there are others who are downloading it as well? I'm a bit lost
Of course there are - but the line being taken by some reports is that it's just students who think it's clever to do what Facebook tells them.
The reality is, of course, rather different ...
I agree, and this situation with this song reaching number one in the downloads chart has me concerned for the chart itself.
If a campaign like this can get a single to number one what is to stop previously banned songs, homophobic, racist songs from reaching number one?
When the queen dies, God save the queen by the sex pistols could be number one.....
The Christmas number one....this could be interesting.....
Because of the situation around Mrs Thatcher's death the possibilities of nasty songs can make it to the charts and there is nothing that can stop this...I can't see the charts being restricted or banned...
Well that's modern technology for you, any song from any album or film can get into the download chart whatever the content of the song...
Pandora's box has been opened......
You missed the Rage against the machine vs X Factor campaign afew years ago then I take it?