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    mimik1ukmimik1uk Posts: 46,701
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    roger_50 wrote: »
    This partnership is killing Australia right now. 76 runs at nearly 5 an over and England are suddenly 270 runs ahead and we're halfway through day 3.

    the scoring rate would be the most worrying thing for the aussies imo

    they just haven't been able to build any sustained pressure even when wickets have gone down

    game slipping away from australia , they desperately need a couple of quick wickets after tea
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    davethecuedavethecue Posts: 23,180
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    I might be a tad worried if I had tickets for Sunday. Australia starting to look disheartened
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    mimik1ukmimik1uk Posts: 46,701
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    37 overs left in this last session

    could be 400+ ahead at the close
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    Thomas007Thomas007 Posts: 14,309
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    I know some people called me presumptuous early, but I'm quite confident I've called this one correctly.

    I knew overnight Australia were in big trouble, bookies weren't having it, still giving long odds for an England win, 'draw no bet' on paddypower was 1.8 England and 2.0 Australia so I decided to go big on that.

    I just couldn't believe Australia were 1/7 to retain the Ashes, crazy odds. Problem of course now is that England will have expectations after this will be sky high and Australia aren't as bad as they were in 2011, so there's still a long way to go in this series if indeed England do go on to win this (which they should).
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    davethecuedavethecue Posts: 23,180
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    davethecue wrote: »
    India recovered to 255/6 with Rayudu making 124*

    Should be a winning total........

    Only just

    India win by 4 runs despite 104* from Chigumbura
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    mimik1ukmimik1uk Posts: 46,701
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    bell does just enough to keep himself in the side for at least the next few games
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    Thomas007Thomas007 Posts: 14,309
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    Well at least one thing this test does is stop all the clamour for Pietersen, I thought a few months back this series would have been totally dominated by that, undermining England.
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    GrecomaniaGrecomania Posts: 19,591
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    mimik1uk wrote: »
    bell does just enough to keep himself in the side for at least the next few games

    As he should be, played 4 poor Tests, no idea why he and Broad get called for their head constantly when they're consistent performers and not old.

    Anyway with our dashers coming in we'll either crumble in an heap or smash it about that is the good thing about this side they move it on.
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    Darren LethemDarren Lethem Posts: 61,700
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    Regardless of result i would keep same XI for two reasons

    1 they've played well as a team and all contributed in some way

    2 if you did drop anybody who would you replace them with who is proven better
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    mimik1ukmimik1uk Posts: 46,701
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    As he should be, played 4 poor Tests, no idea why he and Broad get called for their head constantly when they're consistent performers and not old.

    Anyway with our dashers coming in we'll either crumble in an heap or smash it about that is the good thing about this side they move it on.

    hes had more than 4 poor tests imo

    since the beginning of 2014 he is averaging under 30 , thats quite a long period for that sort of return
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    Thomas007Thomas007 Posts: 14,309
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    Moenn Ali's place looks secure now as well, everybody was screaming for him to be dropped a month ago, he's probably earned his place for the rest of the series too.
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    mimik1ukmimik1uk Posts: 46,701
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    Regardless of result i would keep same XI for two reasons

    1 they've played well as a team and all contributed in some way

    2 if you did drop anybody who would you replace them with who is proven better

    if that was the case you would never drop anyone as how can they prove they are better if not given the opportunity
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    GrecomaniaGrecomania Posts: 19,591
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    mimik1uk wrote: »
    hes had more than 4 poor tests imo

    since the beginning of 2014 he is averaging under 30 , thats quite a long period for that sort of return

    Yes and how did he do in 2013 against these opponents?

    The 4 bad tests clearly skew those figures.
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    Clarkie66Clarkie66 Posts: 5,892
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    davethecue wrote: »
    Only just

    India win by 4 runs despite 104* from Chigumbura

    It sounds like a good match. I wonder who was captaining India? Maybe Rahane??

    I'm flicking between tennis and cricket and Virat Kohli and Sachin are in the Royal Box at Wimbledon.
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    GrecomaniaGrecomania Posts: 19,591
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    mimik1uk wrote: »
    if that was the case you would never drop anyone as how can they prove they are better if not given the opportunity

    I think it's about not dropping people when they have perfectly fine Test records, of course that comes to an end sometimes, but not when your dominating a Test when you were underdogs coming into it.
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    mimik1ukmimik1uk Posts: 46,701
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    Yes and how did he do in 2013 against these opponents?

    The 4 bad tests clearly skew those figures.

    i dont really care how someone played 2 years ago tbh when considering their place now

    so you are quite happy for his odd good score to justify his place but 4 bad tests shouldn't mean its questioned ?

    how long exactly does someone need to be averaging under 30 before their place should be questioned ?

    3 years ?

    5 years ?
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    davethecuedavethecue Posts: 23,180
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    One thing that has become apparent again is the frailty of the Australian bowlers

    fantastic batch to choose from but they always seem to be injured whereas , apart from Plunkett, ours always seem to be available
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    mimik1ukmimik1uk Posts: 46,701
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    I think it's about not dropping people when they have perfectly fine Test records, of course that comes to an end sometimes, but not when your dominating a Test when you were underdogs coming into it.

    and by following that sort of philosophy the team never improves as you continue to select people who are playing "ok" and whilst maybe not bad enough to be be dropped certainly not good enough to make us better
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    GrecomaniaGrecomania Posts: 19,591
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    mimik1uk wrote: »
    and by following that sort of philosophy the team never improves as you continue to select people who are playing "ok" and whilst maybe not bad enough to be be dropped certainly not good enough to make us better

    I don't think 4 bad Tests is enough to get rid, no, and that skews his figures. He did well against India, scored a ton against the Windies, much better than okay, he's not been awful for the whole of those 18 months.

    Todays innings was vital, we were 20-2 and teetering, he deserves praise for it not a sideswipe.
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    mimik1ukmimik1uk Posts: 46,701
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    I don't think 4 bad Tests is enough to get rid, no, and that skews his figures. He did well against India, scored a ton against the Windies, much better than okay, he's not been awful for the whole of those 18 months.

    Todays innings was vital, we were 20-2 and teetering, he deserves praise for it not a sideswipe.

    and if you read my comment that you seemingly objected to i said he did enough today to keep his place in the side

    what exactly was wrong with that comment ?

    you are actually making my point for me here , he does play the odd good innings but despite that he is still averaging under 30 for the period which i would maintain is not good enough for an england batsman
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    GrecomaniaGrecomania Posts: 19,591
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    mimik1uk wrote: »
    and if you read my comment that you seemingly objected to i said he did enough today to keep his place in the side

    what exactly was wrong with that comment ?

    you are actually making my point for me here , he does play the odd good innings but despite that he is still averaging under 30 for the period which i would maintain is not good enough for an england batsman

    Fair enough, I may have misread it as snark, I apologize:)

    Anyway Root out, still uneven bounce, which I don't think England will mind.
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    Thomas007Thomas007 Posts: 14,309
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    England will looking to set a minimum of 450, so still another 100 runs shy or so. No chance of the Aussies being put in tonight.
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    apaulapaul Posts: 9,846
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    Buttler has come in twice against a flagging attack and not taken advantage.
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    mimik1ukmimik1uk Posts: 46,701
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    england throwing it away a bit here , with more than 2 days left i would really like us to get another 40-50 runs

    370 should be enough but it gives australia a chance we really shouldn't be giving them
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    IceWarriorIceWarrior Posts: 215
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    Only rain can prevent England going 1-0 up. 367 runs ahead, Australia will get nowhere near that.
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