Jay Garrick very much a goodie in The Flash universes (all of them) He's also the tie in to Legends of Tomorrow and the idea of time travel which is, obviously spinning off from both The Flash and Arrow and the bigging up of Professor Zoom as the big bad (and oh yes is is bad) for Season Two.
It was a cracking good return episode although it did feel a little rushed at times and the villain was a bit meh but the CGI on him was pretty good and it was an interesting way to introduce Zoom without actually introducing Zoom. It was also a neat twist to use Atom Smasher as he's usually a member of the Justice League and a somewhat flawed hero.
There were the usual funny bits, Cisco's "I think I read it in a comic" for the Flashlight was hilarious, and the "okay, it's totally cool" about the key to the city also had me smiling. Barry had me crying more than once, Grant Gustin is such an expressive actor, I love watching the little nuances portrayed through his facial expressions and his eyes and the scenes with Henry were heart breaking.
Harrison Wells was very much missed and I can't wait until they get into the alternative timelines so we get Tom Cavanagh back asap.
I'm giving it an 8/10.
Oh, goodness, yeah! Also when Joe was talking to him at Star Labs after the fight that nearly killed him. He was crying when Joe told him to stop beating himself up over Ronnie and Eddie's deaths.:(
Thank you for the info about Jay Garrick.:) So glad he is a goodie because I do like the actor who plays him. And Team Flash could do with another good person on their side, haha!
Yeah, I would give it an 8/10. And I agree about Harrison Wells. Tom Cavanagh did a really good job with the character. And finally, Cisco - gotta love him. The hug he gave to Dr Stern after naming the meta-human.:D
Awesome first episode of the new season. Was cool to see Atom Smasher! It was weird seeing the wreslter Edge play him. I haven't seen him since I was a kid when I used to watch WWE wrestling.
Can't get my head around how alternate reality stuff would work, tho'. Not and have the whole team interacting with it. Jay Garrick is presumably from one, but he's turned up in Central City. Will Wells? And there's no reason why he can't be harbouring an alternate reality Eobard, either. (Wells, that is, not Jay!)
I thought Robbie Amnell wasn't listed to be in Legends .... So he may not actually be back ..... Although that just be a red herring
He isn't, but that's what I mean. Firestorm (the hero) very much will exist in LoT, and we know that Martin (Stein) is in the show, so the question to be asked is how.
Either Robbie is in LoT and they're keeping it quiet, or something happens with Martin and another person to form a new Firestorm.
Thank you for the info about Jay Garrick.:) So glad he is a goodie because I do like the actor who plays him. And Team Flash could do with another good person on their side, haha!
If rumours are to be believed, Jay wont be the only other good speedster we'll get this season. I do believe Wally West is due to turn up.
Yeah, it's not the same without Tom Cavanagh. He was a big part of what made Season 1 such a success.
But if he does turn up in Central City, how will he avoid being arrested?!
Maybe that'll be part of the plot? How to save him from spending time behind bars for a crime that he didn't commit. Maybe he'll just switch places with Barry's Dad.
Can't get my head around how alternate reality stuff would work, tho'. Not and have the whole team interacting with it. Jay Garrick is presumably from one, but he's turned up in Central City. Will Wells? And there's no reason why he can't be harbouring an alternate reality Eobard, either. (Wells, that is, not Jay!)
I must admit, this alternate earth is going to confuse me too, but with regard to doubles. Garrack is the Flash from his world, and I think it's fair to say that Cisco also has a double (we kind of saw it I think?). We also know that Atom Smasher (or the guy behind him) had a double too.
Thus, does everyone have a double? Is there a double of Barry? Iris? Joe? Is there another (powerless) Jay in our world?
How ironic would it be if Wells turned out to be the man behind Zoom? Guy just loves Yellow. ?
Oh I don't know if I'd like that. I don't want Zoom to effectively be someone else's pawn, like Bane was in The Dark Knight Rises. I'd much prefer Zoom and Wells to be partners in crime ... working together to rid the world of ... Flash day.
For anyone who has or hasn't caught up with episode 1 of Arrow, there was some nice Flashy Easter eggs in it.
Oh I don't know if I'd like that. I don't want Zoom to effectively be someone else's pawn, like Bane was in The Dark Knight Rises. I'd much prefer Zoom and Wells to be partners in crime ... working together to rid the world of ... Flash day.
Hah, no. Maybe I should have been clearer.
What if Wells (from Earth 2) IS Zoom. Wells/Thawne from Earth 1 is one Yellow Speedster. Wells (from Earth 2) is another Yellow Speedster (etc)?
1) Where's Jay's Power at?
2) Did Cisco die in another world? If the parallel earth theory works the way I think it does, then the world that Barry was in just before he changed time still exists (the one where him and Iris kiss after he tells her the secret; the whole weather time change); in one earth, Barry stops that Tsunami rather than going back in time? That same reality is the one where Cisco dies - and the Earth we're in now is actually a fracture of the one we were on before? God my head!!!
3) I guess Martin's seizure is down to whatever is [going to be] happening with him and the Firestorm arc?
Does anyone know where I can find the UK Pace Flash thread??? I would use the DS search function but as everyone knows that doesn't really work any more
Does anyone know where I can find the UK Pace Flash thread??? I would use the DS search function but as everyone knows that doesn't really work any more
I don't think there is one, not for Season 2 anyway, not yet.
I so want him to be good but that line delivery definitely hinted at some darkness there. I really hope it's a double bluff but I wouldn't be too surprised if they made Cavanagh play Zoom seeing as his performance as a villain was one of the most well received things about Series 1.
Think we will find out that Zoom can suck up peoples powers? Is that a thing? It could be a thing! I think it should be a thing. Make him more dangerous than Reverse Flash. What I like about Jay is that he has(d) powers and is good. Looks like when you get powers you turn evil. It's nice to see a goodie with powers who isn't killing everyone.
Interesting they call him the saviour of Central City. Wonder if that means he is a sppedster here and this harrison wells is actually harrison wells with speed. Not Thawne as wells with speed. Could THAT be a thing? I think it could be a thing.
So do all 52 Breaches lead to Earth 2 or do they go to different Worlds?
Cause I'm wondering if the Harrison Wells we saw is from the same world as Jay Garrick and Zoom.
I notice Barry never mentioned Wells by name when telling Jay about the man who killed his mother but given Jay had been following/researching the team for 6 months he'd have surely come across the name at some point and recognised him as the "Saviour of Central City" from his own world (if they are indeed from the same world).
As a dedicated Barrison shipper I'd like to register a protest at the show keeping them apart like this. One of them on Earth 1, the other on Earth2? Puhlease!
Think we will find out that Zoom can suck up peoples powers? Is that a thing? It could be a thing! I think it should be a thing. Make him more dangerous than Reverse Flash.
I'm pretty sure Zoom can steal and/or give speed powers.
I do think Jay will get his powers back but not for at least until the mid season finale.
Also I think it Wally West maybe Joes son/Iris brother who lives with there son and don't think he will get powers until close to end of the series.
They really did Jay justice. Super excited to see more of him! Caitlin seemed very dehydrated when she was doing tests on him.
Also...Could Ronnie be alive and is on the other Earth? Maybe what happened to Stein at the end was something to do with the link he shares with Ronnie. I'm hopeful.
They really did Jay justice. Super excited to see more of him! Caitlin seemed very dehydrated when she was doing tests on him.
Also...Could Ronnie be alive and is on the other Earth? Maybe what happened to Stein at the end was something to do with the link he shares with Ronnie. I'm hopeful.
Robbie Amell is having a few cameos but
We already know Stein is getting a new 2nd half of Firestorm
I really hope it's a double bluff but I wouldn't be too surprised if they made Cavanagh play Zoom seeing as his performance as a villain was one of the most well received things about Series 1.
I mentioned that before, though tongue in cheek. I hope they don't go down that route though, cause I don't really want the same actor to be playing another evil speedster. That and we still don't know what Thanwe's deal was with Barry in the first place. Couldn't quite tell whether the Wells we saw at the end was the Wells from Earth 2, or Wells/Thawne from the future; the city looked a tad updated didn't it?
Think we will find out that Zoom can suck up peoples powers? Is that a thing? It could be a thing! I think it should be a thing. Make him more dangerous than Reverse Flash. What I like about Jay is that he has(d) powers and is good. Looks like when you get powers you turn evil. It's nice to see a goodie with powers who isn't killing everyone.
I hope not, cause I was actually looking forward to seeing Jay as the Flash. I'm sure he'll regain his powers at some point though.
Also...Could Ronnie be alive and is on the other Earth? Maybe what happened to Stein at the end was something to do with the link he shares with Ronnie. I'm hopeful.
I'm not so sure about this. We know that Stein (and Firestorm) will be in Legends of Tomorrow, but as far as I'm aware, Robbie Amell hasn't been cast in the show.
Edit: Reading up on Legends of Tomorrow casting
Ronnie has been replaced by someone called Jay Jackson.
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Oh, goodness, yeah! Also when Joe was talking to him at Star Labs after the fight that nearly killed him. He was crying when Joe told him to stop beating himself up over Ronnie and Eddie's deaths.:(
Thank you for the info about Jay Garrick.:) So glad he is a goodie because I do like the actor who plays him. And Team Flash could do with another good person on their side, haha!
Yeah, I would give it an 8/10. And I agree about Harrison Wells. Tom Cavanagh did a really good job with the character. And finally, Cisco - gotta love him. The hug he gave to Dr Stern after naming the meta-human.:D
He's a regular in Syfy's Haven.
He was in the main cast in the opening credits, rather than listed as a guest like the Prison Break brothers.
But if he does turn up in Central City, how will he avoid being arrested?!
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/the_flash/news/?a=124873
Can't get my head around how alternate reality stuff would work, tho'. Not and have the whole team interacting with it. Jay Garrick is presumably from one, but he's turned up in Central City. Will Wells? And there's no reason why he can't be harbouring an alternate reality Eobard, either. (Wells, that is, not Jay!)
Either Robbie is in LoT and they're keeping it quiet, or something happens with Martin and another person to form a new Firestorm.
How ironic would it be if Wells turned out to be the man behind Zoom?
If rumours are to be believed, Jay wont be the only other good speedster we'll get this season. I do believe Wally West is due to turn up.
Maybe that'll be part of the plot? How to save him from spending time behind bars for a crime that he didn't commit. Maybe he'll just switch places with Barry's Dad.
I must admit, this alternate earth is going to confuse me too, but with regard to doubles. Garrack is the Flash from his world, and I think it's fair to say that Cisco also has a double (we kind of saw it I think?). We also know that Atom Smasher (or the guy behind him) had a double too.
Thus, does everyone have a double? Is there a double of Barry? Iris? Joe? Is there another (powerless) Jay in our world?
Oh I don't know if I'd like that. I don't want Zoom to effectively be someone else's pawn, like Bane was in The Dark Knight Rises. I'd much prefer Zoom and Wells to be partners in crime ... working together to rid the world of ... Flash day.
For anyone who has or hasn't caught up with episode 1 of Arrow, there was some nice Flashy Easter eggs in it.
What if Wells (from Earth 2) IS Zoom. Wells/Thawne from Earth 1 is one Yellow Speedster. Wells (from Earth 2) is another Yellow Speedster (etc)?
Yes, and Zoom was mentioned, from what I figure, as the one responsible for the potential death too.
I took that comment about Zoom as been Barry couldn't make the funeral because he was tied up with Zoom and was only paying his respects then.
In the comics the two needed to become Firestorm has changed over time and at one point even needed 3 people.
Not quite no, Barry was saying he couldn't make the funeral because of Zoom - in other words, he's been busy in Central City fighting Zoom.
If you can't trust a Speedster to attend a funeral, who can you trust?
Maybe he's off to visit his other wife and kids, that Barry doesn't know about.
1) Where's Jay's Power at?
2) Did Cisco die in another world? If the parallel earth theory works the way I think it does, then the world that Barry was in just before he changed time still exists (the one where him and Iris kiss after he tells her the secret; the whole weather time change); in one earth, Barry stops that Tsunami rather than going back in time? That same reality is the one where Cisco dies - and the Earth we're in now is actually a fracture of the one we were on before? God my head!!!
3) I guess Martin's seizure is down to whatever is [going to be] happening with him and the Firestorm arc?
4) "Hello Kids"
I so want him to be good but that line delivery definitely hinted at some darkness there. I really hope it's a double bluff but I wouldn't be too surprised if they made Cavanagh play Zoom seeing as his performance as a villain was one of the most well received things about Series 1.
I was all http://mashable.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/07/excited-baby.gif before being all http://static.comicvine.com/uploads/original/14/149111/3056908-2751774764-33617.jpg and then I was content.
Think we will find out that Zoom can suck up peoples powers? Is that a thing? It could be a thing! I think it should be a thing. Make him more dangerous than Reverse Flash. What I like about Jay is that he has(d) powers and is good. Looks like when you get powers you turn evil. It's nice to see a goodie with powers who isn't killing everyone.
Interesting they call him the saviour of Central City. Wonder if that means he is a sppedster here and this harrison wells is actually harrison wells with speed. Not Thawne as wells with speed. Could THAT be a thing? I think it could be a thing.
Cause I'm wondering if the Harrison Wells we saw is from the same world as Jay Garrick and Zoom.
I notice Barry never mentioned Wells by name when telling Jay about the man who killed his mother but given Jay had been following/researching the team for 6 months he'd have surely come across the name at some point and recognised him as the "Saviour of Central City" from his own world (if they are indeed from the same world).
I'm pretty sure Zoom can steal and/or give speed powers.
I do think Jay will get his powers back but not for at least until the mid season finale.
Also I think it Wally West maybe Joes son/Iris brother who lives with there son and don't think he will get powers until close to end of the series.
Also...Could Ronnie be alive and is on the other Earth? Maybe what happened to Stein at the end was something to do with the link he shares with Ronnie. I'm hopeful.
Robbie Amell is having a few cameos but
I hope not, cause I was actually looking forward to seeing Jay as the Flash. I'm sure he'll regain his powers at some point though.
Curious that. Wonder if she has any abilities she's not letting on about... Anyone know if the character exists in the comics?
I'm not so sure about this. We know that Stein (and Firestorm) will be in Legends of Tomorrow, but as far as I'm aware, Robbie Amell hasn't been cast in the show.
Edit: Reading up on Legends of Tomorrow casting