You've said it's a full days interview, you'll be working with a Sales Team and you have to bring a coat - it's not door to door sales is it?
No, it's not door to door. The coat thing has thrown me off As a whole day, surely we can't be cooped up in the same room for 9 hours, so maybe it's to so something else.
Do they have separate buildings? The coat is probably for when you walk between buildings. Or if the company has more than one site, they may transport you somewhere else during the day. I really can't see it being some kind of outdoor assault course.
I think the Friday evening part will be a social thing - maybe drinks down the pub after an afternoon in the office sizing you up. That's why it ends so late.
Thanks for this. Got me scared at the presentation bit...please no! I hate when stuff like that is sprung on me! Scary.
I think you should be prepared for it. It is a very good way to assess how people perform under pressure. Whilst it's not great for the candidate the interviewer can test a number of areas.
It does sound like the sort of scam where they get the "candidates" to do a shift of door to door sales for free.
I remember getting conned into this in my early job hunting days, I just turned round and went home when I realised what they were asking, not my scene at all.
It was fun actually. The staff members were so polite! There was only 2 "new people" in, myself and someone else, and we were assigned to a team leader. I ended up getting someone who is friends with a lot of my friends. He took me out at around 1pm, and took me to lunch. Then after, we did a couple of hours of door to door sales. We then returned, stayed in the office parts and did a little more sales/marketing... and shockingly, a lot of fun too! Then we headed back for another few hours for a bit more door to door. To be fair, I wasn't a fan of door to door, but the commission rate is extremely high, and when I heard how much we can get per month, I was like a dog being thrown a bone!
Most importantly, the atmosphere was fantastic, the MDs was also really really nice too, having a lot of fun. There was a lot of fun competition going on in the office, and there are prizes for what you achieve. eg. do this and you'll get a spa day, do this and you'll get an all paid for meal in one of the best restaurants in London etc..
The shifts usually are 11am-9pm so in theory it's a bit strange, but for the first hour-ish is basically planning what your doing today and a warm up... a few chants, positivity, getting you in high spirits etc...
At the end, after my team leader was testing me during the day, I was given a test where you needed to get 90% correct. I passed.
I think it's the people which usually make a job and everyone was so friendly and willing to help. I start Monday even though that's only for 3 hrs for training/discussion of payments and info on the company.
I think it's the people which usually make a job and everyone was so friendly and willing to help. I start Monday even though that's only for 3 hrs for training/discussion of payments and info on the company.
Well, that was sneaky. They haven't even specified this at all.... but I just found out that it is a commission only job.
This is bad. It's fair for those who have been in the field for a long time, but for someone who hasn't done it before. What if I don't get any sales in the first month... £0. Throughout the day, nothing of that sort was said.
Well, that was sneaky. They haven't even specified this at all.... but I just found out that it is a commission only job.
This is bad. It's fair for those who have been in the field for a long time, but for someone who hasn't done it before. What if I don't get any sales in the first month... £0. Throughout the day, nothing of that sort was said.
It explains why the commission rate is so high. Do you get good leads to follow up, or are you just knocking on every door?
Would you move onto a salary after a period of time?
Well, that was sneaky. They haven't even specified this at all.... but I just found out that it is a commission only job.
This is bad. It's fair for those who have been in the field for a long time, but for someone who hasn't done it before. What if I don't get any sales in the first month... £0. Throughout the day, nothing of that sort was said.
You need to check your contract very carefully. If you are being employed by the company then "Commission only" jobs are still subject to minimum wage rules. If you are being classed as self employed then minimum wage doesn't apply.
Anyway, If you made no sales in a whole month you'll probably find your self fired.
You need to check your contract very carefully. If you are being employed by the company then "Commission only" jobs are still subject to minimum wage rules. If you are being classed as self employed then minimum wage doesn't apply.
Anyway, If you made no sales in a whole month you'll probably find your self fired.
I probably would find myself fired, but lets say if I make 2 sales across the first 4 weeks... I get £100 for the first month... after 1000 hours worked.
It says "self employed", so I'm guessing it doesn't apply.
I probably would find myself fired, but lets say if I make 2 sales across the first 4 weeks... I get £100 for the first month... after 1000 hours worked.
It says "self employed", so I'm guessing it doesn't apply.
1000 hours in a month? Wow... I thought I worked long hours
It's up to you whether you accept the job but you need to do some thinking about whether it is right for you. I know people on these sorts of contracts and they love it but you need to be highly motivated and have a very thick skins. Being told to bugger off 100 times a day and not make any money isn't easy to cope with
The job doesn't sound that appealing - cold sales are notoriously difficult and you say you have no experience. It's not anywhere near a graduate job. Would it be better to keep looking?
Even working part-time in a supermarket while you keep looking might be a better deal.
1000 hours in a month? Wow... I thought I worked long hours
It's up to you whether you accept the job but you need to do some thinking about whether it is right for you. I know people on these sorts of contracts and they love it but you need to be highly motivated and have a very thick skins. Being told to bugger off 100 times a day and not make any money isn't easy to cope with
Everyone was there LOVED working there, and I have to say that the atmosphere was fantastic in there. That's a huge plus.
And I agree with the rest of what you said. 50 hours a week with potentially nothing in return is something that I can't get out of my head. It's fantastic for brilliant sales people, if I make 10 a day for example, I'd get £500 in a day. But who on entry level does that? Probably not many.
Here's the big question. How do I turn down a job offer? I've never done it before. What do I say? How do I say it?
Just get in touch and say thank you for the opportunity but that on reflection you would prefer a job with a salary!
You may want to give it a go for the experience, if you think that this particular experience will be any good for you in the long term. You said that everyone you met seemed to enjoy the job, so perhaps you would as well.
It certainly doesn't seem as though they need graduates, but probably think that they will be more articulate than the basic work-force.
Just ring them up and tell them you don't want the job and thank them for their time.
Anything that involves door to door and commission only is a waste of time. Go and get yourself a proper job that will pay you a regular amount. Sign up with all the agencies and go for a bog standard admin or warehouse job so that you can have some money coming in whilst you are looking for the job that you really want.
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No, it's not door to door. The coat thing has thrown me off
I think the Friday evening part will be a social thing - maybe drinks down the pub after an afternoon in the office sizing you up. That's why it ends so late.
It does sound like the sort of scam where they get the "candidates" to do a shift of door to door sales for free.
Yes we looked at the Belbin principles at my place, quite interesting.
I think you should be prepared for it. It is a very good way to assess how people perform under pressure. Whilst it's not great for the candidate the interviewer can test a number of areas.
I remember getting conned into this in my early job hunting days, I just turned round and went home when I realised what they were asking, not my scene at all.
"You, you and you - get your coats".
Does it end at 9pm?
So, I got the job
It was fun actually. The staff members were so polite! There was only 2 "new people" in, myself and someone else, and we were assigned to a team leader. I ended up getting someone who is friends with a lot of my friends. He took me out at around 1pm, and took me to lunch. Then after, we did a couple of hours of door to door sales. We then returned, stayed in the office parts and did a little more sales/marketing... and shockingly, a lot of fun too! Then we headed back for another few hours for a bit more door to door. To be fair, I wasn't a fan of door to door, but the commission rate is extremely high, and when I heard how much we can get per month, I was like a dog being thrown a bone!
Most importantly, the atmosphere was fantastic, the MDs was also really really nice too, having a lot of fun. There was a lot of fun competition going on in the office, and there are prizes for what you achieve. eg. do this and you'll get a spa day, do this and you'll get an all paid for meal in one of the best restaurants in London etc..
The shifts usually are 11am-9pm so in theory it's a bit strange, but for the first hour-ish is basically planning what your doing today and a warm up... a few chants, positivity, getting you in high spirits etc...
At the end, after my team leader was testing me during the day, I was given a test where you needed to get 90% correct. I passed.
I think it's the people which usually make a job and everyone was so friendly and willing to help. I start Monday even though that's only for 3 hrs for training/discussion of payments and info on the company.
Congratulations!
This is bad. It's fair for those who have been in the field for a long time, but for someone who hasn't done it before. What if I don't get any sales in the first month... £0. Throughout the day, nothing of that sort was said.
It explains why the commission rate is so high. Do you get good leads to follow up, or are you just knocking on every door?
Would you move onto a salary after a period of time?
Yes, I was wondering it was so high. If the rate was so high with a basic salary also I'd probably be getting £3k a week!
They give us a different area every day to knock on. I'll send you a PM on the link if you don't mind.
You need to check your contract very carefully. If you are being employed by the company then "Commission only" jobs are still subject to minimum wage rules. If you are being classed as self employed then minimum wage doesn't apply.
Anyway, If you made no sales in a whole month you'll probably find your self fired.
Cold calling. Sorry to be cynical but Good luck..........
What product are you selling ?
I probably would find myself fired, but lets say if I make 2 sales across the first 4 weeks... I get £100 for the first month... after 1000 hours worked.
It says "self employed", so I'm guessing it doesn't apply.
1000 hours in a month? Wow... I thought I worked long hours
It's up to you whether you accept the job but you need to do some thinking about whether it is right for you. I know people on these sorts of contracts and they love it but you need to be highly motivated and have a very thick skins. Being told to bugger off 100 times a day and not make any money isn't easy to cope with
Even working part-time in a supermarket while you keep looking might be a better deal.
Everyone was there LOVED working there, and I have to say that the atmosphere was fantastic in there. That's a huge plus.
And I agree with the rest of what you said. 50 hours a week with potentially nothing in return is something that I can't get out of my head. It's fantastic for brilliant sales people, if I make 10 a day for example, I'd get £500 in a day. But who on entry level does that? Probably not many.
Just get in touch and say thank you for the opportunity but that on reflection you would prefer a job with a salary!
You may want to give it a go for the experience, if you think that this particular experience will be any good for you in the long term. You said that everyone you met seemed to enjoy the job, so perhaps you would as well.
It certainly doesn't seem as though they need graduates, but probably think that they will be more articulate than the basic work-force.
Anything that involves door to door and commission only is a waste of time. Go and get yourself a proper job that will pay you a regular amount. Sign up with all the agencies and go for a bog standard admin or warehouse job so that you can have some money coming in whilst you are looking for the job that you really want.