So is Reece Shearsmith a 'racist' for playing Papa Lazarou in League of Gentleman?
NO!
Because the character is over-exaggerated and people who can take a joke see it for what it is
Ahh, but there is an irony to that (and a context) - and in any case, it's done from a strictly bizarre and surreal background to it. Papa Lazarou is a darkly comic grotesque. Are you saying that Japanese people, or fat black women are grotesque too, or people with mental illnesses or in wheelchairs? Be careful with that one.
This is trying to ape those real life airport type shows, but it's not actually doing any over-exaggerating whatsoever because Walliams/Lucas are being so damn lazy - it's just having a go at sections of society or races with no purpose whatsoever. It's like giving them a big box full of costumes and saying "take the piss out of whoever you want, just not the Muslims."
There is no context or irony - what context or irony was there with the two Japanese stereotypes? Nothing.
As for Manning, he had a go at EVERYONE, but knew his limits - no jokes about the disabled or those who cannot answer back. We've had series after series of Little Britain taking the piss out of the disabled or the mentally ill, where is the 'irony' in that? They are lazy comics, 30 years too late.
There is no honesty about this, and the 'irony' tag doesn't count on this.
The clunes fans to me aren't racist. Just an observation on the oddness of how obsessed Japanese fans can be and the celebrities they chose to obsess over.
I can't help feeling if someone Japanese did a sketch depicting UK fans in the same stereotypical way, no one English would bat an eyelid. For some reason though we have a lot of people in this country who seem to enjoy getting offended on other race's behalfs.
How do you know that none of the characters were Muslim? For all we know, several of them could have been. Anyway, Four Lions made fun of Muslim characters.
Four Lions is a brilliant movie. Comparing Chris Morris to Walliams and Lucas is like comparing Shakespeare to Janet and John.
How do you know that none of the characters were Muslim? For all we know, several of them could have been. Anyway, Four Lions made fun of Muslim characters.
Yes and Four Lions was fantastic as it was done in a mockumentary style and it didn't take itself seriously
Some people need to stop taking things so serious and just enjoy things for what they are
I liked the husband and wife pilots - i can see that being a good running gag.
The idiot who didn't bring his passport was funny as well. It was at that point I realized this was not another Little Britain, but really a direct spoof of Airline/Airport
The clunes fans to me aren't racist. Just an observation on the oddness of how obsessed Japanese fans can be and the celebrities they chose to obsess over.
I can't help feeling if someone Japanese did a sketch depicting UK fans in same stereotypical way, no one English would bat an eyelid. For some reason though we have a lot of people in this country who seem to enjoy getting offended on other race's behalfs.
If it was an observation why did they go down that stereotyped root of going ah so and the other grunts that a stereotypically associated with the Japanese? It's because it's not "brilliantly observed comedy" that the likes of Ben Elton will say to his friends, but lazy and insecure writing from two Egos.
No doubt because they would be scared of a Fatwa.
Dave Spikey does a good joke about that and it's true. They will have a go at everyone else but not Muslims. Because they will answer back.
I bet you got a little rush of exceitement writing that, didnt you?
The first episode was hit and miss but there was some funny moments. I liked Moses telling the lady her dog was dead by the window was funny and when the old lady basically swindled him.
I often look on here after watching programs and notice that people post here only to stir the pot, then others jump on the bandwagon... and before you know it... the bandwagon is rolling and Songs of Praise is a crime against humanity. I wonder how long I will carry on looking here for opinions. Even kiddy-tots on Twitter offer better reviews of programs in limited characters than most do on here. Oh well... Merry remaining 80 minutes of Christmas... and a happy new bandwagon
Ahh, but there is an irony to that (and a context) - and in any case, it's done from a strictly bizarre and surreal background to it. Papa Lazarou is a darkly comic grotesque. Are you saying that Japanese people, or fat black women are grotesque too, or people with mental illnesses or in wheelchairs? Be careful with that one.
This is trying to ape those real life airport type shows, but it's not actually doing any over-exaggerating whatsoever because Walliams/Lucas are being so damn lazy - it's just having a go at sections of society or races with no purpose whatsoever. It's like giving them a big box full of costumes and saying "take the piss out of whoever you want, just not the Muslims."
You're coming across as a real serious 50s fuddy duddy
Its christmas
Eat some mince pies and stop taking everything so serious
Yes and Four Lions was fantastic as it was done in a mockumentary style and it didn't take itself seriously
Some people need to stop taking things so serious and just enjoy things for what they are
Actually Four Lions DID take itself seriously because it was well researched, well made and well produced - three things that this bucket of excrement couldn't dream to be. In Four Lions, You actually cared for the Muslim characters - all of them - and winced at their mistakes. And the Polices, and basically everyones. A real comedy of errors.
When they play White characters or men, is that racist and sexist to whites and men? If not, why the difference if they play other races or women?
No it isn't and I do not see it as such. All of their characters are stereotypes, or exaggerations of stereotypes. I do think it is rather lazy and certainly early Little Britain tended to avoid this.
I can understand why some people would see it as such though. I watched the stereotypical West Indian religious type with a mix of horror and incredulity. A blatant stereotype.
Actually Four Lions DID take itself seriously because it was well researched, well made and well produced - three things that this bucket of excrement couldn't dream to be. In Four Lions, You actually cared for the Muslim characters - all of them - and winced at their mistakes. And the Polices, and basically everyones. A real comedy of errors.
So is Reece Shearsmith a 'racist' for playing Papa Lazarou in League of Gentleman?
NO!
Because the character is over-exaggerated and people who can take a joke see it for what it is
Agreed but what race was Papa Lazarou supposedly stereotyping? None.
The characters here are very definite where they are from.
Whether it is racist to portray them though is a different matter.
Is it ageist to play an old woman?
Is it homophobic to play the gay characters?
Is it sexist for a man to play a woman?
Because everyone is being played by the two main performers I don't think you can say specifically it is racist.
Actually Four Lions DID take itself seriously because it was well researched, well made and well produced - three things that this bucket of excrement couldn't dream to be. In Four Lions, You actually cared for the Muslim characters - all of them - and winced at their mistakes. And the Polices, and basically everyones. A real comedy of errors.
Four Lions was terrific. It did not resort to lazy stereotyping like this did and, you are right, you did care for the characters as misguided as they were.
I was interested to read that Riz Ahmed actually sent the script to Moazzam Begg to ask his opinion on it and if it was offensive to Muslims before he would do it.
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Maybe your taking it a little bit seriously?
Ahh, but there is an irony to that (and a context) - and in any case, it's done from a strictly bizarre and surreal background to it. Papa Lazarou is a darkly comic grotesque. Are you saying that Japanese people, or fat black women are grotesque too, or people with mental illnesses or in wheelchairs? Be careful with that one.
This is trying to ape those real life airport type shows, but it's not actually doing any over-exaggerating whatsoever because Walliams/Lucas are being so damn lazy - it's just having a go at sections of society or races with no purpose whatsoever. It's like giving them a big box full of costumes and saying "take the piss out of whoever you want, just not the Muslims."
The clunes fans to me aren't racist. Just an observation on the oddness of how obsessed Japanese fans can be and the celebrities they chose to obsess over.
I can't help feeling if someone Japanese did a sketch depicting UK fans in the same stereotypical way, no one English would bat an eyelid. For some reason though we have a lot of people in this country who seem to enjoy getting offended on other race's behalfs.
Four Lions is a brilliant movie. Comparing Chris Morris to Walliams and Lucas is like comparing Shakespeare to Janet and John.
Yes and Four Lions was fantastic as it was done in a mockumentary style and it didn't take itself seriously
Some people need to stop taking things so serious and just enjoy things for what they are
I liked the husband and wife pilots - i can see that being a good running gag.
The idiot who didn't bring his passport was funny as well. It was at that point I realized this was not another Little Britain, but really a direct spoof of Airline/Airport
I'll probably keep watching
Just watched a 20 yr old repeat of Blackadder
100 times funnier, sharp writing , etc etc etc
Guys you are washed up......please F.O. ASAP !!!!
If it was an observation why did they go down that stereotyped root of going ah so and the other grunts that a stereotypically associated with the Japanese? It's because it's not "brilliantly observed comedy" that the likes of Ben Elton will say to his friends, but lazy and insecure writing from two Egos.
I bet you got a little rush of exceitement writing that, didnt you?
I wonder which characters will be recurring?
I often look on here after watching programs and notice that people post here only to stir the pot, then others jump on the bandwagon... and before you know it... the bandwagon is rolling and Songs of Praise is a crime against humanity. I wonder how long I will carry on looking here for opinions. Even kiddy-tots on Twitter offer better reviews of programs in limited characters than most do on here. Oh well... Merry remaining 80 minutes of Christmas... and a happy new bandwagon
You're coming across as a real serious 50s fuddy duddy
Its christmas
Eat some mince pies and stop taking everything so serious
Actually Four Lions DID take itself seriously because it was well researched, well made and well produced - three things that this bucket of excrement couldn't dream to be. In Four Lions, You actually cared for the Muslim characters - all of them - and winced at their mistakes. And the Polices, and basically everyones. A real comedy of errors.
No it isn't and I do not see it as such. All of their characters are stereotypes, or exaggerations of stereotypes. I do think it is rather lazy and certainly early Little Britain tended to avoid this.
I can understand why some people would see it as such though. I watched the stereotypical West Indian religious type with a mix of horror and incredulity. A blatant stereotype.
Oh I'm wrong of course, and Walliams and Lucas are comic geniuses. :rolleyes:
The ones on the opening titles
What i'm saying is its over-exaggerated
You'll twist my words of course but oh well
Phazer
Did you giggle like a schoolgirl when those nasty cartoonists got death threats too? Thatll show em not to mess!
Oh and heres a little :rolleyes: right back at you.
Agreed but what race was Papa Lazarou supposedly stereotyping? None.
The characters here are very definite where they are from.
Whether it is racist to portray them though is a different matter.
Is it ageist to play an old woman?
Is it homophobic to play the gay characters?
Is it sexist for a man to play a woman?
Because everyone is being played by the two main performers I don't think you can say specifically it is racist.
It may be unfunny but you can't say it is racist
You can take 6 weeks of it without taking a razorblade to your wrists?
Four Lions was terrific. It did not resort to lazy stereotyping like this did and, you are right, you did care for the characters as misguided as they were.
I was interested to read that Riz Ahmed actually sent the script to Moazzam Begg to ask his opinion on it and if it was offensive to Muslims before he would do it.