Vastra/Jenny had more depth in this episode
Shawn_Lunn
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I know we still had the overuse of the 'we're married' bit (yes, Steven we're not deaf), but the episode itself not only showed a kiss between the two of them (even if it were part of an oxygen exchange thing) but it also talked about them as a couple, especially with the veil comments as well with Clara and how they love each other. Moffat's writing is far from perfect but it did seem like he was making more of an effort to give a bit more depth into Vastra and Jenny as a couple though.
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Depth could've been provided with characterisation, not banging on about their sexual identity as if that's all there was to them. Moffat is such a poor writer of people. He's not come close to giving us someone as well-rounded and human as Donna. He can only work in types.
No way.
It was nice to see them together in an episode that (for them) was a little less life-and-death. a spin-off show would be super!
In your opinion. Personally I think they were.
It didn't really add anything to the episode though for me. We already knew from their previous appearences that they loved each other very much, so it wasn't neccessary to keep on mentioning it.
Scenes like the 'painting of Jenny' one although nice in what they were attempting to do, just padded out a very thin episode. Moffat has always written characters fine for me (aside from Clara, but Jenna plays a big problem with her as I've said many times before) but these added things just did nothing in Deep Breath for me at all...
I don't particularly like her character at all. And i certainly don't love her.
Having said that, Strax can be amusing at times. And if the return could be continuing occasionally, please may we have Rory returning occasionally, too?:)
That had not occurred to me, but I did think that it was weird having a lizard and human together.
Well, how do you define bestiality?
How about that episode with the Makra - we saw a human female and a cat-man* (felis sapiens?) in a caravan - with their kittens. Was that evidence of bestiality?
In Star Trek, Sarek and Amanda are of different species. Is that bestiality? What about Kirk's son and the Romulan/Vulcan Saavik? Worf and Dax in DS9?
Susan and David? Leela and the Gallifreyan chap? The list of inter-species relationships is long.
Is the 'beast' in bestiality anyone non-human - or non-sapient?
*with an Irish accent.... perhaps lots of planets have Emerald Isles....
Man I'm so pissed off I even brought up this point recently, it seems if you have a problem with this scene you're a ZOMG h8ter/bigot/phobic nazi supporting Hitler worshipping skinhead.
Lighten up some folks don't like it some do. Positive thing I took from the episode is I love Capaldi in the role already, I want to see the darker side of the doctor and I know PC will do this admirably.:kitty:
Ps I'd love to see the Sontaran as a future companion Straxx? he cracks me up.
It's not a Jerry Springer episode.
Isn't that the same with any Doctor / companion romance?
The doctor isn't an animal, the last time I checked.
Been said in other threads... it's not bestiality.
Vestra evolved from a lizard species, Jenny evolved from an ape species. So basically it's relationship between two different sentient evolved species which is embedded in the scifi genre.
We evolved from apes so Amy and Rory's relationship is animal based?
I prefer seeing him from time to time. I don't think I'd want him as a regular.:)
Did they bang on about their sexuality? Or did they bang on about their romantic relationship? There is absolutely nothing in the conversation between or about Vastra and Jenny that wasn't done ten times as much by Amy and Rory, or even the Doctor and Rose. I realise that that still jarred for a lot of people, but I don't think anyone would consider that an issue of 'sexuality'.
And it did expand somewhat on Vastra and Jenny's relationship. Jenny's realisation that she still plays the maid even in private springs to mind - Vastra is condescending and dominant but Jenny can trust her to be there for her, a parallel that's easy make to the Doctor and, well, any of his companions.
And it's not bestiality - regardless of their species, they're two consenting adults, and informed consent is the primary focus of any moral evaluation.