IMO yes, that person should have been quarantined and treated there.
But he wasn't and was instead brought home where he was treated and cured. Had he have stayed out there even under quarantine he may have infected many others before eventually dying.
But he wasn't and was instead brought home where he was treated and cured. Had he have stayed out there even under quarantine he may have infected many others before eventually dying.
If he can be cured here then why not out in Africa because I personally wouldn't take that as a sign that it's safe to come back here for treatment, not by a mile.
You're not telling me that they're using a more reliable method of treatment here than out there are you because that would be selfish and unfair to others infected wouldn't it?
This is getting serious now. Why on earth are we not stopping flights coming in from infected countries. I heard today on the radio that Ebola is very similar to full blown Aids - and that we can only catch it from exchanging bodily fluids....so they why on earth are the care staff at treatment centers wearing suits akin to what people wear when entering nuclear reactors?
I fear we are not being told the truth hear.
To compare this to influenza, HIV, Malaria etc is not comparing like with like. This IS, as has been confirmed repeatedly by the WHO, MSF and others on the ground, seemingly going exponential. In any exponential spread the majority of the end total of infected will not be infected until the very end. In this case the doubling period seems to be around 20 days. So until the last 40 days 75% of people WILL NOT have it, and until the last 20 days a full 50% WILL NOT have it. This is what many are finding so hard to grasp. But grasping it is vital.
All medics returning from Africa should go into quarantine until declared clear, in fact all persons coming from that part of Africa should be quarantined,.
One major reason this is still a problem was because Ebola arose and occurs in dirt poor countries, and as far as the pharmaceutical companies are concerned, "there's no money in dead africans ".:(
True but there is money in the natural resources in their counties if there is no population left to resist exploitation...the history of Africa Is one of the populations of whole counties being removed so the resources can used be up by /in other continents. This is just a new way of conducting the same thing.
To compare this to influenza, HIV, Malaria etc is not comparing like with like. This IS, as has been confirmed repeatedly by the WHO, MSF and others on the ground, seemingly going exponential. In any exponential spread the majority of the end total of infected will not be infected until the very end. In this case the doubling period seems to be around 20 days. So until the last 40 days 75% of people WILL NOT have it, and until the last 20 days a full 50% WILL NOT have it. This is what many are finding so hard to grasp. But grasping it is vital.
To compare this to influenza, HIV, Malaria etc is not comparing like with like. This IS, as has been confirmed repeatedly by the WHO, MSF and others on the ground, seemingly going exponential. In any exponential spread the majority of the end total of infected will not be infected until the very end. In this case the doubling period seems to be around 20 days. So until the last 40 days 75% of people WILL NOT have it, and until the last 20 days a full 50% WILL NOT have it. This is what many are finding so hard to grasp. But grasping it is vital.
I'm actually getting quite scared about all this now...
Think I might start stockpiling food and essentials.
PANIC! PANIC! PANIC!
Yes - and also check out the supposed 'cures':D
Colloidal or nano silver
Vitamin c
Oregano oil
Clove oil
Burdock root
Thieves oil
Tea tree oil
Garlic.
You wonder if none of these work why the FDA in the US and the EU seem so keen to discourage people from using them - for a disease which has no supposed cure anyway!
Well what did people do before drug companies?! Mother Nature perhaps?
Colloidal or nano silver
Vitamin c
Oregano oil
Clove oil
Burdock root
Thieves oil
Tea tree oil
Garlic.
You wonder if none of these work why the FDA in the US and the EU seem so keen to discourage people from using them - for a disease which has no supposed cure anyway!
Well what did people do before drug companies?! Mother Nature perhaps?
This reminds me of the excellent novel "The Stand" by Stephen King. I hope it all fizzles out but these things are always worrying. Also I have horrible cold at the moment which doesn't help.
Erm... Without wanting to be overly complacent here, there does appear to be a little smidgen of overreaction in this thread.
Cases in Western countries have been minimal. Western hospitals have great facilities and isolation units to help contain the spread of infectious disease. This doesn't help the poor people in Sierra Leone etc, who I'm personally more worried about than someone in the UK.
Reminds me of bird flu and SARS all over again. Being told every day this was the end of humanity as we knew it, how huge proportions of us could die.
This is not an easy disease to transmit in general. This is not the flu or the common cold.
This is still a localised outbreak with a few cases as a result of that outbreak cropping up here and there due to the globalised nature of the world nowadays. But I can't seriously believe people are getting jittery about going to SPAIN.
Erm... Without wanting to be overly complacent here, there does appear to be a little smidgen of overreaction in this thread.
Cases in Western countries have been minimal. Western hospitals have great facilities and isolation units to help contain the spread of infectious disease. This doesn't help the poor people in Sierra Leone etc, who I'm personally more worried about than someone in the UK.
Reminds me of bird flu and SARS all over again. Being told every day this was the end of humanity as we knew it, how huge proportions of us could die.
This is not an easy disease to transmit in general. This is not the flu or the common cold.
This is still a localised outbreak with a few cases as a result of that outbreak cropping up here and there due to the globalised nature of the world nowadays. But I can't seriously believe people are getting jittery about going to SPAIN.
Sensible words like these are not going to sell any copy, I'm afraid.
Erm... Without wanting to be overly complacent here, there does appear to be a little smidgen of overreaction in this thread.
Cases in Western countries have been minimal. Western hospitals have great facilities and isolation units.....
(i) in USA, the first ebola patient 'in the wild' turned up to hospital sick and they sent him away even though he said he'd come from Liberia, possibly infecting others.
(ii) in Spain the very first patients treated, and a nurse gets infected then goes on holiday infecting who knows how many others (2 so far).
So the idea that 'western' hospitals are foolproof has pretty much gone out of the window in the first few cases
(i) in USA, the first ebola patient 'in the wild' turned up to hospital sick and they sent him away even though he said he'd come from Liberia, possibly infecting others.
(ii) in Spain the very first patients treated, and a nurse gets infected then goes on holiday infecting who knows how many others (2 so far).
So the idea that 'western' hospitals are foolproof has pretty much gone out of the window in the first few cases
I never said they were foolproof. I said they had great facilities to help stop the spread of infectious disease. Of course there's the possibility mistakes will be made. That appears to be what happened to that poor nurse in Spain.
But things like that raise awareness and alert levels, so the response can be better next time.
There appears to be a misconception that an infected person is naturally going to inflect anyone who they even briefly are near. That's not the case with Ebola. Already one of the people who had contact with the sick nurse in Spain has tested negative. That's not to say that other people can't have been infected, but, well, perspective.
(i) in USA, the first ebola patient 'in the wild' turned up to hospital sick and they sent him away even though he said he'd come from Liberia, possibly infecting others.
(ii) in Spain the very first patients treated, and a nurse gets infected then goes on holiday infecting who knows how many others (2 so far).
So the idea that 'western' hospitals are foolproof has pretty much gone out of the window in the first few cases
No such thing as anything foolproof or a 100% secure, not possible, the chances are high that cases will be found in the uk, but just have to get on with normal everyday life
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But he wasn't and was instead brought home where he was treated and cured. Had he have stayed out there even under quarantine he may have infected many others before eventually dying.
If he can be cured here then why not out in Africa because I personally wouldn't take that as a sign that it's safe to come back here for treatment, not by a mile.
You're not telling me that they're using a more reliable method of treatment here than out there are you because that would be selfish and unfair to others infected wouldn't it?
I fear we are not being told the truth hear.
http://www.worldpopulationbalance.org/exponential-growth-tutorial/bacteria-exponential-growth.html
Do I trust the government to protect us? no
Do I expect them to try and hide this behind the sofa until its to obvious that they cannot lie to us anymore? yes
I am not too worried, YET, but if this gets hold in either India or China, I will seriously consider stockpiling food and water.
Yes, he chose to go there.
Exactly,sounds sensible.
True but there is money in the natural resources in their counties if there is no population left to resist exploitation...the history of Africa Is one of the populations of whole counties being removed so the resources can used be up by /in other continents. This is just a new way of conducting the same thing.
All we need now is the spectre of H1N1 or some other type of flu coming from Asia and well be truly buggered
Honeysuckle tea anyone?
^^^ Everyone should read this.
Think I might start stockpiling food and essentials.
PANIC! PANIC! PANIC!
Yes - and also check out the supposed 'cures':D
Colloidal or nano silver
Vitamin c
Oregano oil
Clove oil
Burdock root
Thieves oil
Tea tree oil
Garlic.
You wonder if none of these work why the FDA in the US and the EU seem so keen to discourage people from using them - for a disease which has no supposed cure anyway!
Well what did people do before drug companies?! Mother Nature perhaps?
Died at 24?
Cases in Western countries have been minimal. Western hospitals have great facilities and isolation units to help contain the spread of infectious disease. This doesn't help the poor people in Sierra Leone etc, who I'm personally more worried about than someone in the UK.
Reminds me of bird flu and SARS all over again. Being told every day this was the end of humanity as we knew it, how huge proportions of us could die.
This is not an easy disease to transmit in general. This is not the flu or the common cold.
This is still a localised outbreak with a few cases as a result of that outbreak cropping up here and there due to the globalised nature of the world nowadays. But I can't seriously believe people are getting jittery about going to SPAIN.
My knob-head partner has gotten me into so much debt that I welcome Ebola. Seriously though, I couldn't care less at this moment in time.
Only the poor...The rest ran off to their country homes and waited till people stopped dying.
Sensible words like these are not going to sell any copy, I'm afraid.
(ii) in Spain the very first patients treated, and a nurse gets infected then goes on holiday infecting who knows how many others (2 so far).
So the idea that 'western' hospitals are foolproof has pretty much gone out of the window in the first few cases
I never said they were foolproof. I said they had great facilities to help stop the spread of infectious disease. Of course there's the possibility mistakes will be made. That appears to be what happened to that poor nurse in Spain.
But things like that raise awareness and alert levels, so the response can be better next time.
There appears to be a misconception that an infected person is naturally going to inflect anyone who they even briefly are near. That's not the case with Ebola. Already one of the people who had contact with the sick nurse in Spain has tested negative. That's not to say that other people can't have been infected, but, well, perspective.
No such thing as anything foolproof or a 100% secure, not possible, the chances are high that cases will be found in the uk, but just have to get on with normal everyday life