Rosetta scientist sparks outrage over his "sexist" shirt

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  • d'@ved'@ve Posts: 45,524
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    Keiō Line wrote: »
    It was inappropriate

    It wasn't inappropriate.
    Keiō Line wrote: »
    and he should have shown better judgement.

    His judgement was fine.
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    An apology was needed and he made one.

    No apology was needed and he shouldn't have made one.
    Keiō Line wrote: »
    I am disappointed that so many people are demanding he be sacked.

    Who are these 'people'? I wasn't aware that anyone had, until I read this thread and the link. I certainly didn't notice what shirt he was wearing when I first saw his interviews - I was only interested in what he was telling us.

    Whatever fuss has been made is nothing short of pathetic and should have been ignored. Seems like we now have fashion police to worry about as well as the PC police, thought police and grammar police...
  • KapellmeisterKapellmeister Posts: 41,322
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    I, Candy wrote: »
    I don't think I've ever seen anything so pathetic in my life. He should have told these bullies to f**k right off.

    I agree. I do partly blame the media though for picking up on the story and running with it.

    The guy really should've just ignored the feminista trolls and worn the shirt at every opportunity. Making a grovelling apology was ludicrous.
  • dekafdekaf Posts: 8,398
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    stoatie wrote: »
    It was only "inappropriate" insofar as it deserved a bit of mild piss-taking, rather than outrage and public apologies.

    Absolutely this. Poor bloke. What he wears is probably one of the most trivial matters of his daily life!
  • nanscombenanscombe Posts: 16,588
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    Still, a T shirt like that probably wasn't made in a sweat shop.
  • XIRONSXXIRONSX Posts: 176
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    So there are (absolutely correct) feminist campaigns regarding women being scantily clothed is not an incitement for assault, they of course should wear what ever they like.

    Then you have pieces of art depicting a powerful women being scantily clothed and on this side of the coin it is offensive.

    I have to say it's getting quite difficult to understand what it is that's correct - which really doesn't help changing minds.
  • Keiō LineKeiō Line Posts: 12,979
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    An error of judgement for which he has rightly apologized. We should move on and learn from his mistake that such imagery is not appropriate in the workplace, especially one publicly funded,

    As astrophysicist Katie Mack said earlier this week "I don't care what scientists wear. But a shirt featuring women in lingerie isn't appropriate for a broadcast if you care about women in science"

    Nor is it appropriate in the workspace. I guess we are finding out why so many on DS are unemployed.
  • ElectraElectra Posts: 55,660
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    I think it needs to be seen in the context of the problems that women face when trying to be accepted in male dominated professions. I noticed it was a female science journalist who first objected, so I assume she knows how the land lies in that respect.

    Is a shirt depicting women in fetish gear really much different to putting pinups on the office wall?
  • KapellmeisterKapellmeister Posts: 41,322
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    d'@ve wrote: »
    Who are these 'people'? I wasn't aware that anyone had, until I read this thread and the link. I certainly didn't notice what shirt he was wearing when I first saw his interviews - I was only interested in what he was telling us.

    Whatever fuss has been made is nothing short of pathetic and should have been ignored. Seems like we now have fashion police to worry about as well as the PC police, thought police and grammar police...

    We're turning into a fascist society by the backdoor.
  • KapellmeisterKapellmeister Posts: 41,322
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    Electra wrote: »
    I think it needs to be seen in the context of the problems that women face when trying to be accepted in male dominated professions. I noticed it was a female science journalist who first objected, so I assume she knows how the land lies in that respect.

    Is a shirt depicting women in fetish gear really much different to putting pinups on the office wall?

    Oh well. In other news, men have put a lander on a comet for the first time in human history.
  • idlewildeidlewilde Posts: 8,698
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    Electra wrote: »
    I think it needs to be seen in the context of the problems that women face when trying to be accepted in male dominated professions. I noticed it was a female science journalist who first objected, so I assume she knows how the land lies in that respect.

    Is a shirt depicting women in fetish gear really much different to putting pinups on the office wall?

    The images on it looked more comic-book / sci-fi / superhero / manga type stuff to me rather than the outright titillation of nuddy pics.
  • Terry NTerry N Posts: 5,262
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    It's health and safety gone mad. What's wrong with wearing a sexy shirt? :confused:
  • ElectraElectra Posts: 55,660
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    Oh well. In other news, men have put a lander on a comet for the first time in human history.

    In other news, women have to put up with these men right here on earth.
  • KapellmeisterKapellmeister Posts: 41,322
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    XIRONSX wrote: »
    So there are (absolutely correct) feminist campaigns regarding women being scantily clothed is not an incitement for assault, they of course should wear what ever they like.

    Then you have pieces of art depicting a powerful women being scantily clothed and on this side of the coin it is offensive.

    I have to say it's getting quite difficult to understand what it is that's correct - which really doesn't help changing minds.

    Haha, so true. If women walk around half-naked then it's "sistah powah!" If a bloke has a shirt with cartoon women on it then he's a disgusting chauvinist.

    Really, the rest of society should learn to ignore these people.
  • Keiō LineKeiō Line Posts: 12,979
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    Seems that people on both sides are equally guilty of absurd over reaction.

    One that demands nothing less than his head on a plate, and others that react to criticism with claims of "Hitler in the 1930s".
  • RubricalRubrical Posts: 2,715
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    Oh dear... Twitter gives idiots a platform once again.
  • KapellmeisterKapellmeister Posts: 41,322
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    Electra wrote: »
    In other news, women have to put up with these men right here on earth.

    Enjoy your computer...
  • ElectraElectra Posts: 55,660
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    idlewilde wrote: »
    The images on it looked more comic-book / sci-fi / superhero / manga type stuff to me rather than the outright titillation of nuddy pics.

    Yes but it's what it depicts that's the problem, not how it's depicted.
  • sweetpeanutsweetpeanut Posts: 4,805
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    Keiō Line wrote: »
    An error of judgement for which he has rightly apologized. We should move on and learn from his mistake that such imagery is not appropriate in the workplace, especially one publicly funded,

    As astrophysicist Katie Mack said earlier this week "I don't care what scientists wear. But a shirt featuring women in lingerie isn't appropriate for a broadcast if you care about women in science"

    Nor is it appropriate in the workspace. I guess we are finding out why so many on DS are unemployed.

    I am actually surprised that many think its not inappropriate attire for a serious TV interview.
    Beach, fine, casual party, fine. shopping, fine.

    Cant see a newsreader wearing one ever! :D
  • ElectraElectra Posts: 55,660
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    Enjoy your computer...

    :confused::confused:
  • idlewildeidlewilde Posts: 8,698
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    Keiō Line wrote: »
    An error of judgement for which he has rightly apologized. We should move on and learn from his mistake that such imagery is not appropriate in the workplace, especially one publicly funded,

    As astrophysicist Katie Mack said earlier this week "I don't care what scientists wear. But a shirt featuring women in lingerie isn't appropriate for a broadcast if you care about women in science"

    Nor is it appropriate in the workspace. I guess we are finding out why so many on DS are unemployed.

    These are science and tech geeks hunched over bits of computers that control a space probe, hardly surprising that they are going to be dressed like that. I did some work for a company once that specialised in making robots and other hardware, and the guys doing all the tech work were isolated from the rest in this little corner of a big open plan office behind a partition, and all of them looked like rejects from a thrash metal band, but they were all as clever as anything. Who cares what they look like. You're tapping into what they can do with their grey matter.
  • QT 3.14QT 3.14 Posts: 1,771
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    Keiō Line wrote: »
    It was inappropriate and he should have shown better judgement.

    An apology was needed and he made one. I am disappointed that so many people are demanding he be sacked.
    Keiō Line wrote: »
    An error of judgement for which he has rightly apologized. We should move on and learn from his mistake that such imagery is not appropriate in the workplace, especially one publicly funded,

    As astrophysicist Katie Mack said earlier this week "I don't care what scientists wear. But a shirt featuring women in lingerie isn't appropriate for a broadcast if you care about women in science"

    Nor is it appropriate in the workspace. I guess we are finding out why so many on DS are unemployed.

    Way too obvious, yet people still take the bait.
  • sleepasleepa Posts: 677
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    floog wrote: »
    So are womem who dress like that also being sexist.

    Also, did you see the part of the story that the shirt was especially made for him by the wife of his tattooist? Her special big creative moment spoiled too now probably.

    (Oh dear, now I'll get picked up for associating sewing with women)
  • KapellmeisterKapellmeister Posts: 41,322
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    sleepa wrote: »
    Also, did you see the part of the story that the shirt was especially made for him by the wife of his tattooist? Her special big creative moment spoiled too now probably.

    (Oh god, now I'll get picked up for associating sewing with women)

    A woman made that shirt for a man?! A traitor to her sex! She should be gagged with her own bra and paraded through the streets as a demonstration of her iniquity!
  • Keiō LineKeiō Line Posts: 12,979
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    idlewilde wrote: »
    These are science and tech geeks hunched over bits of computers that control a space probe, hardly surprising that they are going to be dressed like that. I did some work for a company once that specialised in making robots and other hardware, and the guys doing all the tech work were isolated from the rest in this little corner of a big open plan office behind a partition, and all of them looked like rejects from a thrash metal band, but they were all as clever as anything. Who cares what they look like. You're tapping into what they can do with their grey matter.

    Indeed. However it was still an error of judgement, and one that is easily forgiveable, partly for the reasons you outline, but mostly for the reason we all "mess up" from time to time.
  • kitty86kitty86 Posts: 7,034
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    I don't find the shirt offensive at all but I don't think it was appropriate to wear for a televised interview.
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