And the Master was a Long Dead Time Lord yet he was brought back to life to Fight in the Time War.
I see no problem with the Time Lords bringing back Rassilon as well especially if the Time War was going badly for them.
They brought back their legendary Hero but he turned out to be as dangerous as the Daleks.
Was it the Master that was said to be resurrected from the Matrix?
They definitely brought him back to fight in the war anyway. That has been said on screen, so yeah you are right there, and no one should have a problem with Rassilon.
Maybe I just assumed before that they brought Rassilon back the same way. Loads of things are possible when you are dealing with a race of time travellers I've never seen anyone until now have a problem with Rassilon's existence.
The Doctor has also said a few times that the time war changed the time lords. to the point where he had to stop them as much as the Daleks. A solution he obviously agonised over having to do.
Couldn't Rassilon have changed completely over a few regenerations and a time-war which went badly?
I can imagine it being a bit like the film Downfall, which is about the last days of Hitler. Still trying to order troops about that didn't exist as everything crumbled around. Yet, the followers around him still followed orders and were scared to say anything. Swap the Berlin bunker for the time-lock and there ya go, Rassilon suffered a total personality breakdown. Is that not possible?
I agree completely:)
Rassilon started as a good guy and that’s how the writers had him at start. But in Virgin New Adventures Rassilon is shown to be a tyrant dictator and gets locked up in the Tomb of Rassilon where he lays asleep in the 5 Doctors and anyone who want immortality has to come to him and is a trap to keep others from gaining dictatorship. It also talks about the "Other." During the 7th Doctor they slowly showing hints to the Doctor being the Other. The point of doing this was to bring more mystery to his character since they revealed where he is from.
Ancient Gallifrey is a matriarchy ruled by the Pythia, an absolute tyrant with the power to see into the future, but the future which once seemed so secure is slipping from her grasp as the Triumvirate Rassilon, Omega, and the “Other” (whose name and origins has been lost to history) and their neo-technologists threaten her authority with a new age of science and reason. The Other being more intelligent and having powers surpassing that of Rassilon or Omega and, the Other did most of the research and legwork of the experiments. Rassilon had Omega go on a mission to create the raw power needed for time travel, which caused a black hole killing Omega which Omega did not know this would happen. Rassilon then harnessed the nucleus of the black hole to provide the energy that powers time travel. Rassilon and the Other then began to outlawing superstition and banishing magic. Against the advice of his mysterious advisor the Other, Rassilon visits the Pythia to taunt her, predicting an end to her empire of superstition. The Pythia can no longer see the Future clearly; her visions show her only a wall guarded by Rassilon and his cronies, beyond which she cannot see. The Future which she had planned out has been stolen from her. She retreats into a world of her own, but as she withdraws from public life, support for Rassilon and his followers begins to grow. The Pythia grows ever more irrational as the Future slips from her grasp, and to his shame, Rassilon realizes that his spiteful taunting is largely responsible for her breakdown. The Pythia sends her loyal followers to steal the eye of a Sphinx, a foreseer killed by the Hero Prydonius, in the hope that it will restore her power to see the Future. Transported by pain and vision, she sees that her Future lies outside everything she has ever known; Gallifrey is now a very different place. The future which once seemed secure now belongs to Rassilon, and the Pythia therefore sends her loyal sisterhood to the planet Karn, curses Rassilon and his followers to a sterile future, and plunges to her death in the abyss beneath her temple. From that day forward no children were born on Gallifrey, and Rassilon and his advisors including the Other had to divert their attention away from the time-travel projects in order to secure their race’s future. Rassilon, desperate to see his reforms take effect before the end of his life, has resorted to bloodshed to purge the dissidents, despite his advisor's the Other warning that this will lead only to eternal stagnation. Sickened and weary of the violence, and blaming himself for what is happening to Gallifrey, he intends to put an end to these games and fling himself back into the Universe, as a piece on the board rather than as a player. Knowing that Rassilon will try to use his family as a hostage to force him to remain, he bids goodbye to his grand-daughter Susan, telling her to go to safety on the planet Tersurus, and then flings himself into the central progenitive cascades of the genetic Looms and disintegrates.
The Doctor is born into the Lungbarrow Family Loom. On the day the Doctor steals a TARDIS the Hand of Omega to his surprise boosts power through the old Type 40 and takes it beyond the Backtime Buffers into the past of Gallifrey itself. This is the gravest crime imaginable, and although nobody can follow him, he can never return home again. The Doctor arrives, brought to his own world's past by the Hand of Omega -- to meet a strangely familiar girl who has lived on the streets for a year, having been unable to reach the spaceport and escape. She instantly recognises him as her grandfather, and somehow, he knows that her name is Susan. Together, they depart Gallifrey to explore Time and Space, knowing that neither of them can ever return home again.
I think the Other programmed the Machine to copy his DNA to reproduce himself sometime in the future and stored his memories in the TARDIS he now has but has never been able to access them. He did somehow during his 7th and lost them when regenerated into the 8th. Or does he still remember but doesn’t talk about it. The Master somehow got his thought processes but not his intelligents since they think alike. Some think that the Doctor’s mother was human and was around the Loom and is why he loves the Human race so much. Is the ep. "Journey to the Centre of the TARDIS" going to be where his memories stored. This could be what he is supposed to remember, since Clara says and remember. He should know his name or if there is no name. I also think this is what RTD was basing Rassilon on in the show.
In the William Hartnell episode, Dalek invasion of Earth. Interestingly enough, the mention of Greater inteligence is brough up. As well as the creation of the Robo/cybermen as modified human slaves to the Daleks. This would mean that Oswin is a link to Susan somehow or is Susan. This would infer one of 2 possible lines for the 50th anniversary episodes. Either a lead too the Earth invassion of the Daleks days , or to the Time war.
Conversely this could also lead to a series of episode that sees the Robomen evolve and emancipate themselves to become the cybermen leading the doctor to a paradox problem. Intervene and erase all histories of the cybermen or help them be freed of the Daleks; hence creating a catch 22 for the doctor. Where history unfolds as it should with reluctant help of the Doctor, who only after the fact realizes that he is in parts responsible for the scourge of the Cybermen upon the universe.
In the William Hartnell episode, Dalek invasion of Earth. Interestingly enough, the mention of Greater inteligence is brough up. As well as the creation of the Robo/cybermen as modified human slaves to the Daleks. This would mean that Oswin is a link to Susan somehow or is Susan. This would infer one of 2 possible lines for the 50th anniversary episodes. Either a lead too the Earth invassion of the Daleks days , or to the Time war.
Conversely this could also lead to a series of episode that sees the Robomen evolve and emancipate themselves to become the cybermen leading the doctor to a paradox problem. Intervene and erase all histories of the cybermen or help them be freed of the Daleks; hence creating a catch 22 for the doctor. Where history unfolds as it should with reluctant help of the Doctor, who only after the fact realizes that he is in parts responsible for the scourge of the Cybermen upon the universe.
The Cybermen already have two origin stories, do they really need a Third?
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And the Master was a Long Dead Time Lord yet he was brought back to life to Fight in the Time War.
I see no problem with the Time Lords bringing back Rassilon as well especially if the Time War was going badly for them.
They brought back their legendary Hero but he turned out to be as dangerous as the Daleks.
Was it the Master that was said to be resurrected from the Matrix?
They definitely brought him back to fight in the war anyway. That has been said on screen, so yeah you are right there, and no one should have a problem with Rassilon.
Maybe I just assumed before that they brought Rassilon back the same way. Loads of things are possible when you are dealing with a race of time travellers
The Doctor has also said a few times that the time war changed the time lords. to the point where he had to stop them as much as the Daleks. A solution he obviously agonised over having to do.
I agree completely:)
Rassilon started as a good guy and that’s how the writers had him at start. But in Virgin New Adventures Rassilon is shown to be a tyrant dictator and gets locked up in the Tomb of Rassilon where he lays asleep in the 5 Doctors and anyone who want immortality has to come to him and is a trap to keep others from gaining dictatorship. It also talks about the "Other." During the 7th Doctor they slowly showing hints to the Doctor being the Other. The point of doing this was to bring more mystery to his character since they revealed where he is from.
The Doctor is born into the Lungbarrow Family Loom. On the day the Doctor steals a TARDIS the Hand of Omega to his surprise boosts power through the old Type 40 and takes it beyond the Backtime Buffers into the past of Gallifrey itself. This is the gravest crime imaginable, and although nobody can follow him, he can never return home again. The Doctor arrives, brought to his own world's past by the Hand of Omega -- to meet a strangely familiar girl who has lived on the streets for a year, having been unable to reach the spaceport and escape. She instantly recognises him as her grandfather, and somehow, he knows that her name is Susan. Together, they depart Gallifrey to explore Time and Space, knowing that neither of them can ever return home again.
From Virgin New Adventures
Conversely this could also lead to a series of episode that sees the Robomen evolve and emancipate themselves to become the cybermen leading the doctor to a paradox problem. Intervene and erase all histories of the cybermen or help them be freed of the Daleks; hence creating a catch 22 for the doctor. Where history unfolds as it should with reluctant help of the Doctor, who only after the fact realizes that he is in parts responsible for the scourge of the Cybermen upon the universe.
The Cybermen already have two origin stories, do they really need a Third?
Do we know where our universe (NewWho) Cybermen are from?