Unemployment rises

tony321tony321 Posts: 10,594
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Didn't take long for the long term plan to hit snags
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  • AnnsyreAnnsyre Posts: 109,504
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    tony321 wrote: »
    Didn't take long for the long term plan to hit snags

    By 15000.
  • tony321tony321 Posts: 10,594
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    Annsyre wrote: »
    By 15000.

    So it's gone up then ?
  • AnnsyreAnnsyre Posts: 109,504
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    tony321 wrote: »
    So it's gone up then ?

    Yes by 15000. Total is now 1.85 million. Rise is about 0.8%
  • edwinbotedwinbot Posts: 326
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    The ONS also showed that the pace of pay rises continued to pick up.

    Average weekly earnings including bonuses rose at an annual pace of 3.2% in the latest three month period, the fastest rate in five years.

    Good news...
  • mick rmick r Posts: 919
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    What do you expect with a net migration of over 300,000 a year . That will probably rise in future the the new national living wage April 2016 £7.20 April 2017 £7.65 ?
    April 2018 £8.10 ? April 2019 £8.55 ? April 2020 £9.00 . Eastern Europeans are going love this pay rise no doubt about that .
  • greenyonegreenyone Posts: 3,545
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    Who are these people having pay rises and what types of jobs have they got. Are they the higher wage earners ,lower wage earners ( I don't include the living wage in this as its only just been agreed and will take a number of years to be fully affective)
  • Phil 2804Phil 2804 Posts: 21,846
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    greenyone wrote: »
    Who are these people having pay rises and what types of jobs have they got. Are they the higher wage earners ,lower wage earners ( I don't include the living wage in this as its only just been agreed and will take a number of years to be fully affective)

    Well they're definitely not front line public sector workers.
  • trunkstertrunkster Posts: 14,468
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    tony321 wrote: »
    Didn't take long for the long term plan to hit snags

    Oh no!! doom and gloom all round, I wonder if this will affect net migration?
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,495
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    Will start going up steeply now that tax credits will not be available for many people.

    People get paid tax credits 4 weeks after they finish work which disqualifies them from claiming JSA, even though the tax credits in many cases work out less than JSA and hence they do not show up in the unemployment figures.
    Plus little known changes introduced by the Tories last year mean that employers are no longer inclined to pay Statutory Sick Pay as they cannot reclaim it back off the government.
    A relative went off sick recently and her employer sacked her rather than pay SSP.
    She cannot claim JSA or ESA as it is deemed she was sacked and has to prove otherwise - A near impossible feat if you know how the DWP operates and expensive ( tribunal costs £1250 )
  • trunkstertrunkster Posts: 14,468
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    Will start going up steeply now that tax credits will not be available for many people.

    People get paid tax credits 4 weeks after they finish work which disqualifies them from claiming JSA, even though the tax credits in many cases work out less than JSA and hence they do not show up in the unemployment figures.
    Plus little known changes introduced by the Tories last year mean that employers are no longer inclined to pay Statutory Sick Pay as they cannot reclaim it back off the government.
    A relative went off sick recently and her employer sacked her rather than pay SSP.
    She cannot claim JSA or ESA as it is deemed she was sacked and has to prove otherwise - A near impossible feat if you know how the DWP operates and expensive ( tribunal costs £1250 )

    I know, IF only there wasn't such a large pool of ready, willing and cheap labour then people might have some bargaining power.
  • PrestonAlPrestonAl Posts: 10,342
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    Just goes to show that it was the libdems that drove the economic progress in the last few years.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,495
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    trunkster wrote: »
    I know, IF only there wasn't such a large pool of ready, willing and cheap labour then people might have some bargaining power.

    Well immigration has climbed under the Tories, so the 'pool of labour' will keep expanding.

    In the meantime they seem determined to prevent employees getting any sort of redress with new legislation virtually banning strike action....
  • Rastus PiefaceRastus Pieface Posts: 4,382
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    trunkster wrote: »
    I know, IF only there wasn't such a large pool of ready, willing and cheap labour then people might have some bargaining power.

    hmmmmmmmmmm, if only there was something we could do about this???

    also, i wonder how many of those on this forum who claim the figures are fiddled when unemploymant falls, will also claim the figures are still being fiddled, when unemployment rises.

    considering the net migration figures recently released, this rise was inevitable. and don't forget winter seasonal work has obviously ended, so this will surely affect the figures as well.
  • CELT1987CELT1987 Posts: 12,355
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    It will go up next year when tax credits are cut.
  • Rastus PiefaceRastus Pieface Posts: 4,382
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    Well immigration has climbed under the Tories, so the 'pool of labour' will keep expanding.

    In the meantime they seem determined to prevent employees getting any sort of redress with new legislation virtually banning strike action....

    which shows the tories are just as spineless as labour and the lib dems when it comes to non EU migration (which we can do something about).
  • AnnsyreAnnsyre Posts: 109,504
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    Inflation 0%
  • glasshalffullglasshalffull Posts: 22,291
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    hmmmmmmmmmm, if only there was something we could do about this???

    also, i wonder how many of those on this forum who claim the figures are fiddled when unemploymant falls, will also claim the figures are still being fiddled, when unemployment rises.

    considering the net migration figures recently released, this rise was inevitable. and don't forget winter seasonal work has obviously ended, so this will surely affect the figures as well.

    Traditionally unemployment FALLS during the summer months....what "winter seasonal work" has ended? :confused:

    The pantomime season? The Santa Grotto boom for fat men and elves? Chestnut selling?
  • Phil 2804Phil 2804 Posts: 21,846
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    Annsyre wrote: »
    Inflation 0%

    Using figures that exclude the single biggest outgoing in the majority of households- housing. Now why would that be?
  • Rastus PiefaceRastus Pieface Posts: 4,382
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    Traditionally unemployment FALLS during the summer months....what "winter seasonal work" has ended? :confused:

    The pantomime season? The Santa Grotto boom for fat men and elves? Chestnut selling?

    the pantomime season is 12 months long on this forum.:D:D

    seasonal work thats ended? well, places such as amazon, argos etc who take on extra workers to cope with xmas and new year sales demand.
  • MartinPMartinP Posts: 31,358
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    Figures are seasonally adjusted
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,495
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    which shows the tories are just as spineless as labour and the lib dems when it comes to non EU migration (which we can do something about).

    Probably because the rich need another wave of cheap labour to service them.
    The Poles and Lithuanians etc that have decided to settle here permanently have realised living here is not cheap and consequently are turning up their noses at shoe shining on ZHC's for rich clients.

    Result no curb on none EU immigration as it is always about keeping the rich happy - Something the Tories excel in.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,495
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    MartinP wrote: »
    Figures are seasonally adjusted

    So you are saying they knock off 20,000 or so because the summer season is expected to have higher unemployment?
  • mossy2103mossy2103 Posts: 84,308
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    Annsyre wrote: »
    Yes by 15000. Total is now 1.85 million. Rise is about 0.8%

    So the long-term economic plan is working then with unemployment going up.
  • AnnsyreAnnsyre Posts: 109,504
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    mossy2103 wrote: »
    So the long-term economic plan is working then with unemployment going up.

    Youth unemployment down.
  • andyknandykn Posts: 66,849
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    So you are saying they knock off 20,000 or so because the summer season is expected to have higher unemployment?

    I'm pretty sure it's the other way round, there's higher employment in the summer. Any rise from "New Year Sales" would have gone months ago.
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