Its a common joke beef curtains but it seems presumptuous to attempt to blame insecurity of women on porn. Is it not something school girls will spot in the showers and attack each other for? Fact is that a neat little vagina is preferable than a big meaty mess. I bet that has always been the case for all times pre-porn and post-porn. Porn is diverse perhaps people are harking back to those magazines in the 80's. I would say this problem no longer exists and I bet school girls will still attack each other and end up insecure for not having pretty vaginas even though porn is so vast and representative
Sorry but you dont usually notice a neat little fanny as apposed to a meaty mess unless youre up close & personal. these schoolgirls must all be gays.
Things are a lot better now than they were, even 30 years ago. Anyone who watched some of those recent programmes "It was alright in the 70s" and the other ones about changes in policing, teaching and healthcare can see that.
The problem with this country is it has no vision, it never thinks how the next generation will cope with the utter cock up the present society or government has made by simply wanting to appeal to the electorate of the time.
But we would never elect a party that presented a long-term vision because it might mean pain in the short-term.
Its a common joke beef curtains but it seems presumptuous to attempt to blame insecurity of women on porn. Is it not something school girls will spot in the showers and attack each other for? Fact is that a neat little vagina is preferable than a big meaty mess. I bet that has always been the case for all times pre-porn and post-porn. Porn is diverse perhaps people are harking back to those magazines in the 80's. I would say this problem no longer exists and I bet school girls will still attack each other and end up insecure for not having pretty vaginas even though porn is so vast and representative
Whatever do you think girls reveal when they are in the shower? Do you suppose they lie there with their legs apart? (My children never had a shower in their entire school career anyway. Modern school sports facilities obviously don't feel the need to include them.)
And saying that 'a nice neat vagina is preferable to a big meaty mess' is just bizarre, and pretty repellent. Teenagers don't have 'big' or 'small' vaginas, though they may get a little bigger with repeated childbirth. Labia are as variable as faces, and anyone who uses such viciously hostile language to describe them is surely someone with sexual issues.
Now now. Boys genitals are also a secret shame as you put it & theyre not on show either. Shaven haven also is for boys. If it was easy for boys to have penis enlargments they would be queing up for them. Girls imo are just as shallow as boys these days.. sadly
But I'm not distinguishing in that way at ALL. Of course boys are subject to the same pressures, and for the same reasons. I singled out girls because they seem more inclined to put their anguish and shame on internet advice sites. I don't actually think the problem for teenage boys is generally teenage girls btw. I have known a lot of teenage girls, and never heard them either speculating about penis size or expressing any kind of interest in the subject. It always seems to be considerably older women who make unkind remarks along those lines. In general, I would say that teenage boys anguished about their penises are anguished about other boys, not girls. Stephen Fry has written memorably about comparing his 'salted snail' (as a teenager) with the enormous arm-sized things that confident boys strode round the changing rooms swinging from side to side.
And although penis size is obviously far more visible in changing rooms etc than labial design, it still seems to be an oddly modern preoccupation. Perhaps because erotica, until recently, was almost entirely male-dominated, there seemed an absolute assumption that if it 'did its job', all was well. Presumably Michaelangelo's David was supposed to be the perfect male body, and his is like a cashew nut.
Too many lazy arses who want something for nothing.
The me,myself and I generation.
A lack of care and compassion for others.
People who get upset because they haven't got something they want. Tough, the world won't stop spinning because you can't afford the latest I phone. Your kids will have to learn they can't have everything they want, they'll always be spoilt kids,it's not a crime to say no to them.
Too many slobs,keep hold of your rubbish till you see a bin you scruffy git.
And although penis size is obviously far more visible in changing rooms etc than labial design, it still seems to be an oddly modern preoccupation. Perhaps because erotica, until recently, was almost entirely male-dominated, there seemed an absolute assumption that if it 'did its job', all was well. Presumably Michaelangelo's David was supposed to be the perfect male body, and his is like a cashew nut.
David was obviously a grower, rather than a shower.
Screaming, Yelling Kids, that won't do what their parents tell them to, for the entire journey
One women, put a kids show on her ipad, and shoved it, in front of his nose, then he shut up for a while
Information display screens not working at London Bus Station
Massive traffic delays, making the bus very late.. which makes the kids cry more, etc
I'll be back, after i've gotten rid of my headache
Screaming, Yelling Kids, that won't do what their parents tell them to, for the entire journey
One women, put a kids show on her ipad, and shoved it, in front of his nose, then he shut up for a while
Information display screens not working at London Bus Station
Massive traffic delays, making the bus very late.. which makes the kids cry more, etc
I'll be back, after i've gotten rid of my headache
Think how much of a nightmare it would be for kids, where time seems elongated tenfold, stuck on a long distance coach journey.
I think what's wrong is people are much less caring, much more selfish and much more materialistic, and that this has been caused by the social/political agenda over the last 40 years or so to manouver most girls/women into working outside the home and behaving like men.
I'm sympathetic to gender-variant people with female bodies, (or male bodies), and believe they should be able to do traditionally male stuff, but most girls/women aren't like that and it is wrong and harmful for education, and social attitudes to make them behave as if they are.
It has meant people loose out on love as Mum is no longer around enough for children or Wife for husband - and young men only see women as sex objects as they're not allowed to see them as delicate and precious beings to protect and provide for, or as powerful mothers. Women who aren't very oversexed don't see the point in relationships with men who aren't going to basically provide for them and look after them, (this happened to me). So people are more selfish and feminine qualities are trashed, only careers and material things being esteemed.
I dont see any type of happy future for society even just in the short-term of 20-30 years - and god knows what kind of messed up planet we will have in 100 years time if the newest UN population forecasts are to be believed.
At the top end corporations are finding more and more convoluted ways to manipulate markets/systems and squeeze profit from the consumer while at the bottom we have this unsustainable model of funding people having children they cant afford or raise properly whether they be of British origin or coming here from other countries.
What could we all do to resolve the situation because society is already messed up as it is.
We seem to think this is a new problem but i think this question has probably been asked since humans first began to live in communities. Change is part of being constantly evolving beings but as we get older and life becomes very different to how it was led when we were younger I think we naturally think things have got worse. That said here is my take:
My top 3 Negatives:
1) We seem to live in a disposable age where is something isn't quite right or not new and shiny, rather than fixing it we throw it away and get something we perceive as better: clothes, possessions, technology, relationships........
2) People invest more time than they should in virtual relationships on social media and technology to the detriment of real face to face relationships with friends and family.
3) The compensation culture means there must always be someone to blame. We no longer seem to be able to put a minor accident, problem or issue down to bad luck nd just get on with it. This is a huge part IMO of a problem we have with people not taking responsibility for their own lives.
My top 3 Positives (because we often forget these):
1) The world is a much smaller place and we are more knowlegable and in many ways more accepting of different cultural backgrounds, food and religions.
2) We are more knowledgable and accepting of mental illness and it is no longer the taboo it was 30 years ago.
3) We give far more to charity than we have ever done.
As far as fixing the negatives - you can't put the genie back in the bottle so we can't eradicate the technology revolution of the last 30 years which in turn has fuelled the rise of the age of media, materialism and becomming consumers rather than the producers When history tells our story it will place as much significance on how the technological revolution has changed people's lives as the effects of the Industrial Revolution. I believe that after every peak of change comes a trough and when that comes we will naturally adjust to the changes that have happened and a lot of the issues and problems we are seeing now will adjust themselves.
Some people not knowing enough about social history so thinking there was some sort of golden age in recent times which we should aspire to return to.
Yeah. First reply was pretty succinct and accurate in my eyes. Stuff changes, yet so do our expectations. Nothing really ever gets better or worse. That's my thinking. We will swap one set of problems for another and although our quality of life has improved, we will remain dissatisfied if we choose. Or grateful for what we do have. Human nature remains fairly consistent.
Its a common joke beef curtains but it seems presumptuous to attempt to blame insecurity of women on porn. Is it not something school girls will spot in the showers and attack each other for? Fact is that a neat little vagina is preferable than a big meaty mess. I bet that has always been the case for all times pre-porn and post-porn. Porn is diverse perhaps people are harking back to those magazines in the 80's. I would say this problem no longer exists and I bet school girls will still attack each other and end up insecure for not having pretty vaginas even though porn is so vast and representative
Why do so many people blame groups like the young, poor/benefit claimants and immigrants? These sorts of people genuinely and generally are some of the least responsible for anything that's going on.
It just boggles the mind that people don't attribute blame toward the actual groups of people who are actually responsible for causing the multitude of downfalls in society.. politicians, the boards of big companies, the City of London, bankers, corrupt law enforcement, overpaid/underworked civil servants and spin-doctors.
Why do so many people blame groups like the young, poor/benefit claimants and immigrants? These sorts of people genuinely and generally are some of the least responsible for anything that's going on.
It just boggles the mind that people don't attribute blame toward the actual groups of people who are actually responsible for causing the multitude of downfalls in society.. politicians, the boards of big companies, the City of London, bankers, corrupt law enforcement, overpaid/underworked civil servants and spin-doctors.
It's easier to find scapegoats than actually solve the real issues. Innit.
This has been a really interesting thread (found it in a moment of insomnia) and lots of good suggestions and different points of view. The same theme keeps being brought up and that's a lack of respect and a blame culture. I'd say that's a good start in figuring out things we should try to change as a society. I also think that a lack of personal responsibility is an important factor - it's always someone else's fault; I can't do this it's too hard/too much effort/ someone else will just do it for me etc. As an earlier poster said people know an awful lot about their rights but not very much about their responsibilities.
The government and media machine are blaming everyone else (poor/sick/disabled/unemployed etc) for the wrongs in this country yet the people who actually ballsed it all up get away with it scott free with added bonuses. They're trying to pull the wool over our collective eyes, but I think there is a change in the air. There does seem to have been a small shift in attitudes over the last few months - maybe more people are waking up to our "betters" and seeing them for what they are, nothing more than a bunch of crooks.
We seem to live in a disposable age where is something isn't quite right or not new and shiny, rather than fixing it we throw it away and get something we perceive as better: clothes, possessions, technology, relationships........
which only fuels the disgusting scenes witnessed on Black Friday and in the post -Christmas sales.
Within the space of about fifteen minutes on Boxing day, my daughter had an item of clothing she was looking at snatched out of her hands, my son witnessed two men almost come to blows over a pair of shoes and I witnessed a very heated argument between a man and a woman because she had sworn (allegedly) at the man's daughter. It seems to be that any courtesy, care or consideration to anybody else just goes out of the window when trying to secure a good deal.
I think what's wrong is people are much less caring, much more selfish and much more materialistic, and that this has been caused by the social/political agenda over the last 40 years or so to manouver most girls/women into working outside the home and behaving like men.
There is no 'social/ political agenda' to 'manoeuvre girls/ women into working outside the home'. There is some economic pressure because of the loss of council housing stock and the increase in house prices, so it is hard for single income families to find somewhere comfortable to live. But politically it suits the government very well indeed if women can afford to stay out of the labour market. They comprise a very high percentage of carers, looking after people for a pittance that would otherwise bleed councils dry if they were not doing it.
And being a housewife is lonely and boring. It has been recognised for decades that there is a very high level of depression among non-working women, regardless of social class (though higher at the bottom end). During the world wars, the evidence is that women were thrilled to be able to work, even though their jobs were exhausting and often dangerous. There was tremendous dismay both times when women realized that they were expected to be shunted quietly out of the job market and go home to do nothing companiable or interesting again.
It has meant people loose out on love as Mum is no longer around enough for children or Wife for husband - and young men only see women as sex objects as they're not allowed to see them as delicate and precious beings to protect and provide for, or as powerful mothers. Women who aren't very oversexed don't see the point in relationships with men who aren't going to basically provide for them and look after them, (this happened to me). So people are more selfish and feminine qualities are trashed, only careers and material things being esteemed.
Gosh and golly. I'm sure my husband has never seen me as a 'delicate and precious being' - why would he? I am in robust health and full possession of my faculties. I can't quite fathom your grievance here - it seems to be that you were involved with a woman who didn't like sex but did like money, and left you because you only offered the first and not the second. This really has nothing to do with education, politics or any kind of social policy; greedy and sexually uninterested people have existed since the dawn of humanity and the trick is to look for a partner that suits you better.
There is no 'social/ political agenda' to 'manoeuvre girls/ women into working outside the home'. There is some economic pressure because of the loss of council housing stock and the increase in house prices, so it is hard for single income families to find somewhere comfortable to live. But politically it suits the government very well indeed if women can afford to stay out of the labour market. They comprise a very high percentage of carers, looking after people for a pittance that would otherwise bleed councils dry if they were not doing it.
And being a housewife is lonely and boring. It has been recognised for decades that there is a very high level of depression among non-working women, regardless of social class (though higher at the bottom end). During the world wars, the evidence is that women were thrilled to be able to work, even though their jobs were exhausting and often dangerous. There was tremendous dismay both times when women realized that they were expected to be shunted quietly out of the job market and go home to do nothing companiable or interesting again.
Gosh and golly. I'm sure my husband has never seen me as a 'delicate and precious being' - why would he? I am in robust health and full possession of my faculties. I can't quite fathom your grievance here - it seems to be that you were involved with a woman who didn't like sex but did like money, and left you because you only offered the first and not the second. This really has nothing to do with education, politics or any kind of social policy; greedy and sexually uninterested people have existed since the dawn of humanity and the trick is to look for a partner that suits you better.
Er nope. I'm a woman who's never been much interested in sex, and I'm not greedy but I don't want to work outside the home, never have, and that's been a major problem for everyone since I said that when I was 13 - said, "I don't want a job, I want to be a housewife". Tons and tons of anti-sexism agenda at school, and, by my parents, and by men I met who of course were very happy to endorse the, women should be out all the time earning money while men lie drinking on the sofa business that's always been very popular to many men, by re-christening that "equality between the sexes" - and, by women saying I should be man-like and want to do masculine stuff, because I've been brainwashed by society to enjoy feminine stuff and to want to be looked after at home, (which I haven't been, because, as I've indicated, my parents were both feminists - in a kind of way, (Dad = "I shouldn't have to be the breadwinner, I shouldn't have to keep a stiff upper lip, I'm artistic, I've got a highly strung artistic temperament, I'm fragile, I need a big strong woman to provide for me and let me be the protected one ... )
I know all about how terrible and unfair things are for carers, as I've been one for years until the recent past. Although I have greatly enjoyed it as well, as I love nursing people more than anything - nobody there for my illnesses and fragilities though.
Faux outrage and a hollier than thou attitude is one of my pet peeves in this day and age. Everyone is always acting high and mighty even though a good few of these people are bigger dipshits than the people they like to judge.
Ohh and social justice warriors and third wave feminism. These far left nutjobes need to be pointed and laughed at, and by the nice liberals too more than anyone else for the nice liberals own good.
I think what's wrong is people are much less caring, much more selfish and much more materialistic, and that this has been caused by the social/political agenda over the last 40 years or so to manouver most girls/women into working outside the home and behaving like men.
I'm sympathetic to gender-variant people with female bodies, (or male bodies), and believe they should be able to do traditionally male stuff, but most girls/women aren't like that and it is wrong and harmful for education, and social attitudes to make them behave as if they are.
It has meant people loose out on love as Mum is no longer around enough for children or Wife for husband - and young men only see women as sex objects as they're not allowed to see them as delicate and precious beings to protect and provide for, or as powerful mothers. Women who aren't very oversexed don't see the point in relationships with men who aren't going to basically provide for them and look after them, (this happened to me). So people are more selfish and feminine qualities are trashed, only careers and material things being esteemed.
My mother was born in the 1920's and all her children were born in the 1950's. She worked in the cotton mills when we were growing up. There was plenty of love to go around. The gender division of labour within our household was atypical, dad helped with lots of cleaning, cooking etc.,
Working women with children was not the norm but it wasn't rare either.
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Sorry but you dont usually notice a neat little fanny as apposed to a meaty mess unless youre up close & personal. these schoolgirls must all be gays.
But we would never elect a party that presented a long-term vision because it might mean pain in the short-term.
And saying that 'a nice neat vagina is preferable to a big meaty mess' is just bizarre, and pretty repellent. Teenagers don't have 'big' or 'small' vaginas, though they may get a little bigger with repeated childbirth. Labia are as variable as faces, and anyone who uses such viciously hostile language to describe them is surely someone with sexual issues.
But I'm not distinguishing in that way at ALL. Of course boys are subject to the same pressures, and for the same reasons. I singled out girls because they seem more inclined to put their anguish and shame on internet advice sites. I don't actually think the problem for teenage boys is generally teenage girls btw. I have known a lot of teenage girls, and never heard them either speculating about penis size or expressing any kind of interest in the subject. It always seems to be considerably older women who make unkind remarks along those lines. In general, I would say that teenage boys anguished about their penises are anguished about other boys, not girls. Stephen Fry has written memorably about comparing his 'salted snail' (as a teenager) with the enormous arm-sized things that confident boys strode round the changing rooms swinging from side to side.
And although penis size is obviously far more visible in changing rooms etc than labial design, it still seems to be an oddly modern preoccupation. Perhaps because erotica, until recently, was almost entirely male-dominated, there seemed an absolute assumption that if it 'did its job', all was well. Presumably Michaelangelo's David was supposed to be the perfect male body, and his is like a cashew nut.
The me,myself and I generation.
A lack of care and compassion for others.
People who get upset because they haven't got something they want. Tough, the world won't stop spinning because you can't afford the latest I phone. Your kids will have to learn they can't have everything they want, they'll always be spoilt kids,it's not a crime to say no to them.
Too many slobs,keep hold of your rubbish till you see a bin you scruffy git.
Screaming, Yelling Kids, that won't do what their parents tell them to, for the entire journey
One women, put a kids show on her ipad, and shoved it, in front of his nose, then he shut up for a while
Information display screens not working at London Bus Station
Massive traffic delays, making the bus very late.. which makes the kids cry more, etc
I'll be back, after i've gotten rid of my headache
Think how much of a nightmare it would be for kids, where time seems elongated tenfold, stuck on a long distance coach journey.
I'm sympathetic to gender-variant people with female bodies, (or male bodies), and believe they should be able to do traditionally male stuff, but most girls/women aren't like that and it is wrong and harmful for education, and social attitudes to make them behave as if they are.
It has meant people loose out on love as Mum is no longer around enough for children or Wife for husband - and young men only see women as sex objects as they're not allowed to see them as delicate and precious beings to protect and provide for, or as powerful mothers. Women who aren't very oversexed don't see the point in relationships with men who aren't going to basically provide for them and look after them, (this happened to me). So people are more selfish and feminine qualities are trashed, only careers and material things being esteemed.
At the top end corporations are finding more and more convoluted ways to manipulate markets/systems and squeeze profit from the consumer while at the bottom we have this unsustainable model of funding people having children they cant afford or raise properly whether they be of British origin or coming here from other countries.
Happy new year btw :cool:
people are to tolerant of young people that cause a general annoyance.
Weak men put females of some sort of a pedalstal.
Working class people forgot you have to put the work in to succeed, too many are all about that 9 to 5 life.
Too many people choose there religion simply because there family said so.
Reality TV gave people with zero talent a chance of being famous for no reason
Your post summed over pretty much the last few years. I think a lot of the UK's problems is not having a tough reign over issues.
We seem to think this is a new problem but i think this question has probably been asked since humans first began to live in communities. Change is part of being constantly evolving beings but as we get older and life becomes very different to how it was led when we were younger I think we naturally think things have got worse. That said here is my take:
My top 3 Negatives:
1) We seem to live in a disposable age where is something isn't quite right or not new and shiny, rather than fixing it we throw it away and get something we perceive as better: clothes, possessions, technology, relationships........
2) People invest more time than they should in virtual relationships on social media and technology to the detriment of real face to face relationships with friends and family.
3) The compensation culture means there must always be someone to blame. We no longer seem to be able to put a minor accident, problem or issue down to bad luck nd just get on with it. This is a huge part IMO of a problem we have with people not taking responsibility for their own lives.
My top 3 Positives (because we often forget these):
1) The world is a much smaller place and we are more knowlegable and in many ways more accepting of different cultural backgrounds, food and religions.
2) We are more knowledgable and accepting of mental illness and it is no longer the taboo it was 30 years ago.
3) We give far more to charity than we have ever done.
As far as fixing the negatives - you can't put the genie back in the bottle so we can't eradicate the technology revolution of the last 30 years which in turn has fuelled the rise of the age of media, materialism and becomming consumers rather than the producers When history tells our story it will place as much significance on how the technological revolution has changed people's lives as the effects of the Industrial Revolution. I believe that after every peak of change comes a trough and when that comes we will naturally adjust to the changes that have happened and a lot of the issues and problems we are seeing now will adjust themselves.
Yeah. First reply was pretty succinct and accurate in my eyes. Stuff changes, yet so do our expectations. Nothing really ever gets better or worse. That's my thinking. We will swap one set of problems for another and although our quality of life has improved, we will remain dissatisfied if we choose. Or grateful for what we do have. Human nature remains fairly consistent.
BIB...Wha??? Umm. No!!!
It just boggles the mind that people don't attribute blame toward the actual groups of people who are actually responsible for causing the multitude of downfalls in society.. politicians, the boards of big companies, the City of London, bankers, corrupt law enforcement, overpaid/underworked civil servants and spin-doctors.
It's easier to find scapegoats than actually solve the real issues. Innit.
The government and media machine are blaming everyone else (poor/sick/disabled/unemployed etc) for the wrongs in this country yet the people who actually ballsed it all up get away with it scott free with added bonuses. They're trying to pull the wool over our collective eyes, but I think there is a change in the air. There does seem to have been a small shift in attitudes over the last few months - maybe more people are waking up to our "betters" and seeing them for what they are, nothing more than a bunch of crooks.
Happy New Year folks!
Within the space of about fifteen minutes on Boxing day, my daughter had an item of clothing she was looking at snatched out of her hands, my son witnessed two men almost come to blows over a pair of shoes and I witnessed a very heated argument between a man and a woman because she had sworn (allegedly) at the man's daughter. It seems to be that any courtesy, care or consideration to anybody else just goes out of the window when trying to secure a good deal.
This for me is the fundamental issue - children being taught (or not) by children how to be decent human beings (or not again LOL).
How about 7 billion??
And being a housewife is lonely and boring. It has been recognised for decades that there is a very high level of depression among non-working women, regardless of social class (though higher at the bottom end). During the world wars, the evidence is that women were thrilled to be able to work, even though their jobs were exhausting and often dangerous. There was tremendous dismay both times when women realized that they were expected to be shunted quietly out of the job market and go home to do nothing companiable or interesting again.
Gosh and golly. I'm sure my husband has never seen me as a 'delicate and precious being' - why would he? I am in robust health and full possession of my faculties. I can't quite fathom your grievance here - it seems to be that you were involved with a woman who didn't like sex but did like money, and left you because you only offered the first and not the second. This really has nothing to do with education, politics or any kind of social policy; greedy and sexually uninterested people have existed since the dawn of humanity and the trick is to look for a partner that suits you better.
Er nope. I'm a woman who's never been much interested in sex, and I'm not greedy but I don't want to work outside the home, never have, and that's been a major problem for everyone since I said that when I was 13 - said, "I don't want a job, I want to be a housewife". Tons and tons of anti-sexism agenda at school, and, by my parents, and by men I met who of course were very happy to endorse the, women should be out all the time earning money while men lie drinking on the sofa business that's always been very popular to many men, by re-christening that "equality between the sexes" - and, by women saying I should be man-like and want to do masculine stuff, because I've been brainwashed by society to enjoy feminine stuff and to want to be looked after at home, (which I haven't been, because, as I've indicated, my parents were both feminists - in a kind of way, (Dad = "I shouldn't have to be the breadwinner, I shouldn't have to keep a stiff upper lip, I'm artistic, I've got a highly strung artistic temperament, I'm fragile, I need a big strong woman to provide for me and let me be the protected one ... )
I know all about how terrible and unfair things are for carers, as I've been one for years until the recent past. Although I have greatly enjoyed it as well, as I love nursing people more than anything - nobody there for my illnesses and fragilities though.
Ohh and social justice warriors and third wave feminism. These far left nutjobes need to be pointed and laughed at, and by the nice liberals too more than anyone else for the nice liberals own good.
My mother was born in the 1920's and all her children were born in the 1950's. She worked in the cotton mills when we were growing up. There was plenty of love to go around. The gender division of labour within our household was atypical, dad helped with lots of cleaning, cooking etc.,
Working women with children was not the norm but it wasn't rare either.