I've already pointed out that the evolution of language is not always logical!
So what? Neither is your way of thinking.
Pakistan isn't "the land of the Paks". And what do you mean by "people like you"?
Instead of showing your ignorance, why don't you also 'look it up?
It shouldn't be too difficult either to work out that 'you are not alone' in the pc brigade. And yes, we do realise that you are confused - that is quite evident from your posts.
This has nothing to do with any "pc remit" or "pc lobby". It's just that Parliament has decided that religious or racial hatred is particularly harmful to our society and needs to be tackled. Which seems reasonable enough.
Lol - as if Parliament, (either Westminster or Brussels), is free from the tentacles of the pc brigade! All forms of verbal abuse and discrimination should be unacceptable in a modern society - and, a sensible society would not allow anyone to discriminate whilst outlawing discrimination. Either it is wrong to dicriminate, or it isn't..
No, we don't generally do that. In fact it would be illegal in the field of employment to appoint on ethnicity rather than merit.
Absolute rubbish! If a quota has to be filled, then 'merit' goes out of the window. I am not saying that ethnic minorities are not suitably qualified, and many are undoubtedly very well qualified........................but, the quota has to be filled doesn't it? And it wouldn't be illegal at all - and extremely difficult to prove wouldn't it?
Instead of showing your ignorance, why don't you also 'look it up?
It shouldn't be too difficult either to work out that 'you are not alone' in the pc brigade. And yes, we do realise that you are confused - that is quite evident from your posts.
When you have to resort to insults, you've lost the argument. It doesn't seem worthwhile responding to you any further.
If you have to declare yourself the winner of an argument, then you've actually lost it.
There are a variety of ways to win other than that. You can also say the timeless "it's not all of them" or the classic, "nothing to see here". Or can just adopt a statesman like approach by responding to a question asked of you with another question, which instantly defuses any challenge coming your way.
By posting such checkmatey replies means you don't even have to address any of the points being raised in the post you are replying to. You can then slap yourself on the back in the knowledge that you have triumphed over adversity and can thrust aloft the self-proclaimed title of king of the forum.
Farage says that the Tory pledge to ring fence NHS spending is "nonsense"
All those Kippers who keep banging on how Nigel will wipe the floor with the other leaders in a TV debate are in for a big shock. Get Nig away from the EU and immigration and he will show himself ad his party up for the Tory Turbos they really are.
I will be gutted if Farage is not included in at least one debate. preferably chaired by Paxman.
When you have to resort to insults, you've lost the argument. It doesn't seem worthwhile responding to you any further.
It wasn't an argument - or an insult, it was merely pointing out a fact - such as agreeing that it's wrong to discriminate........unless.......
However, there is no any compulsion placed on anyone to respond to a post , so please yourself.
Anyway - I was agreeing with you to a point wasn't I? You admitted that you were confused!!
Farage says that the Tory pledge to ring fence NHS spending is "nonsense"
All those Kippers who keep banging on how Nigel will wipe the floor with the other leaders in a TV debate are in for a big shock. Get Nig away from the EU and immigration and he will show himself ad his party up for the Tory Turbos they really are.
I will be gutted if Farage is not included in at least one debate. preferably chaired by Paxman.
I believe a lot of people would like to see Farage involved in one or more cross Party debates. But you shouldn't get carried away with his 'limited' subject matter - immigration figures very highly upon the list of the electorate's concerns, as does the EU, and as the most he can hope for is to influence government policy rather than introduce it, the other issues will be secondary to him. In other words, as he has already stated, he would ally his Party with the right OR Left, if isuch a coalition would lead to a referendum on the continuation of our EU membership.
I believe a lot of people would like to see Farage involved in one or more cross Party debates. But you shouldn't get carried away with his 'limited' subject matter - immigration figures very highly upon the list of the electorate's concerns, as does the EU, and as the most he can hope for is to influence government policy rather than introduce it, the other issues will be secondary to him. In other words, as he has already stated, he would ally his Party with the right OR Left, if isuch a coalition would lead to a referendum on the continuation of our EU membership.
That is all well and good but for the vast majority who watch the debate or highlights they will see Farage out of his depth when faced with questions which are not his specialist subject. UKIP do not come across at all well on TV when faced with debate on a wider range of questions. Remember that Kipper MEP on Question Time a couple of months ago who said it was "boring" to discuss anything other than immigration and the EU?
Perception is everything in an election campaign and UKIP will be perceived as not having a clue on a lot of topics and voters will decide accordingly
Perception is everything in an election campaign and UKIP will be perceived as not having a clue on a lot of topics and voters will decide accordingly
Part of UKIP's success is not only about the EU and because the current shower don't have a clue on a lot of topics either and have failed to deliver on a number of promises, or have irreparably damaged this country through poorly thought out policies.
People are starting to wake up to lies and spin after just sleepwalking into a polling booth for a good number of years. Even if Farage and UKIP haven't got a clue, a fair percentage of the electorate will just view them as not being any worse than what they have endured over the last 15 years. I also think that as all the tit for tat rubbish is being thrown about between the two major parties, people will just get even more bored as parties seem more interested in beating their chests and castigating one another as opposed to coming up with anything original of their own.
Of course it will be one of the big two who will win, but the fragmenting of their marginal seats should prove interesting.
Part of UKIP's success is not only about the EU and because the current shower don't have a clue on a lot of topics either and have failed to deliver on a number of promises, or have irreparably damaged this country through poorly thought our policies.
People are starting to wake up to lies and spin after just sleepwalking into a polling booth for a good number of years. Even if Farage and UKIP haven't got a clue, a fair percentage of the electorate will just view them as not being any worse than what they have endured over the last 15 years. I also think that as all the tit for tat rubbish is being thrown about between the two major parties, people will just get even more bored as parties seem more interested in beating their chests and castigating one another as opposed to coming up with anything original of their own.
Of course it will be one of the two who win, but the fragmenting of their marginal seats should prove interesting.
Have said it before that UKIP have had an easy ride regarding policy scrutiny but this is changing and Farage in a TV debate will expose them for a single issue protest party.
All the signs are that Farage is struggling in Thanet South and will have to spend a lot of time in Kent during the campaign instead of touring the marginal seats.
Once UKIP are questioned about the NHS. welfare and employment rights and their extreme Toryism is brought to light that will make many turn away from them in a GE and only vote for them in a European election.
If UKIP were as popular as some think they are then surely they would be controlling councils in their target areas?
The air is slowly coming out of the big purple balloon
They only have to tap further into the disillusioned vote by using populist views. What could really make a difference is the apathy vote from the majority of the electorate who don't bother voting, but see a way of sticking two fingers up at the establishment. UKIP most likely know there is no chance of them winning anything other than a dozen or so seats at best, but it is an acorn to grow from.
If Farage said the £55m a day into the EU would allow them to feed hungry families reliant on food banks, or the billions per year spent on foreign aid would be ploughed into council housing stock, then it would resonate with a lot of people who feel that they have been trampled on and failed by successive governments who have caused a lot of their troubles, be it through mass immigration, wage compression, shortage of homes and reductions in benefits.
Parties saying "we will cut the deficit" or "we are better than them over there" are all well and good, but never before has there been a better time for the electorate to revolt against the disgrace that politics has descended to from two very complacent, and increasingly incompetent, political parties that are speaking for less and less people as the years roll by. I personally see Labour as taking the toll in future years, as with an aging population increase happening in western countries, it's known that people get more conservative in their views. Unless they can tap into the youth vote, or bus in more voters with the lure of benefits and homes, they are facing another kick into the long grass if they are not careful.
That is all well and good but for the vast majority who watch the debate or highlights they will see Farage out of his depth when faced with questions which are not his specialist subject. UKIP do not come across at all well on TV when faced with debate on a wider range of questions. Remember that Kipper MEP on Question Time a couple of months ago who said it was "boring" to discuss anything other than immigration and the EU?
Perception is everything in an election campaign and UKIP will be perceived as not having a clue on a lot of topics and voters will decide accordingly
But the real point is that UKIP will just not be in a position to igreatly influence any governmental policy on anything other than the EU and immigration.but Farage will still be able to match the bluster from regular politicians on political issues - a natural talent for all poliicians.
I doubt that anyone really believes that UKIP will be a major political force in the UK. I suspect many people who voted for UKIP in the European elections will place their cross against other Party candidates when voting in a general election. UKIP's only real political strength lies in influence - but Farage will undoubtedly be as articulate as the other political debators if he does have the opportunity. After all, he, like the other politicians likely to be involved, is a master at generalisation of an issue, and discussing principles rather than details is something in which all senior politicians are well rehearsed.
I believe he would acquit himself very well...........even Clegg sounded credible at times - before the election!!
Not directly related to UKIP but "Der Spiegel" is now reporting the german government believes the Eurozone could survive if Greece returned to its own currency.
Now if this happens soon after the elections in Greece, it will be a huge boost to eurosceptic parties in other countries including UKIP. Don't forget Italy's Five Star movement is campaigning for a referendum on a return to the Lira.
The air is slowly coming out of the big purple balloon
Well that shouldn't really surprise anyone - we are approaching a general election, not a European one - and the press , ( usuallu either blue or red), have certainly done their best in a coordinated effort to blacken UKIP and Farage's reputation - and, I might add, been presented with every opportunity to do so. But If they had wished to, I have no doubt that they could have found more material to besmirch the main Party candidates too.
Last election it was the LibDems - who alredady had Parliamentary seats - and their balloon has decidedly been burst - so I suspect the inevitable 'bursting' of UKIPs balloon will be somewhat less dramatic as they certainly don't have as far to fall.
Not directly related to UKIP but "Der Spiegel" is now reporting the german government believes the Eurozone could survive if Greece returned to its own currency.
Now if this happens soon after the elections in Greece, it will be a huge boost to eurosceptic parties in other countries including UKIP. Don't forget Italy's Five Star movement is campaigning for a referendum on a return to the Lira.
If Greece leaves, others will follow.
Of course it could survive. It would devalue its currency and instantly attract more tourists, which was a large chunk of Greece's economy before it joined the Euro. Since drachma went, I've gone to Turkey instead of the Greek islands where I typically holidayed, primarily as I can see my money go further.
You are most likely correct when other countries start to see them enjoying the spoils of being better off out than in and could cause a domino effect. If Spain or Italy went, then it would likely herald the end of the project.
Well that shouldn't really surprise anyone - we are approaching a general election, not a European one - and the press , ( usuallu either blue or red), have certainly done their best in a coordinated effort to blacken UKIP and Farage's reputation - and, I might add, been presented with every opportunity to do so. But If they had wished to, I have no doubt that they could have found more material to besmirch the main Party candidates too.
Last election it was the LibDems - who alredady had Parliamentary seats - and their balloon has decidedly been burst - so I suspect the inevitable 'bursting' of UKIPs balloon will be somewhat less dramatic as they certainly don't have as far to fall.
Glad to see you have a sense of realism about the forthcoming election. Don't forget that a newspaper owner is a UKIP sponsor so the excuse that all the press is against UKIP is false. OK his paper is full of celebrity trash and nonsense but still a newspaper which can print positive stories.
Oh the inevitable bursting of the UKIP bubble will be dramatic as the knives are stuck into Farage and some of the things that have been kept quiet are leaked into the public domain.
Of course it could survive. It would devalue its currency and instantly attract more tourists, which was a large chunk of Greece's economy before it joined the Euro. Since drachma went, I've gone to Turkey instead of the Greek islands where I typically holidayed, primarily as I can see my money go further.
You are most likely correct when other countries start to see them enjoying the spoils of being better off out than in and could cause a domino effect. If Spain or Italy went, then it would likely herald the end of the project.
Marine Le Pen would certainly exploit it to the full, if France abandons the Euro Germany might as well go back to the DM.
You've always voted SNP? Or just when they got more popular in the last couple of years when they were trying to get independence? Like these kippers seem to be doing...
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Well if I did, it wouldn't be inaccurate would it? - even if it is yet another 'abominal' contraction to the pc bigade.
Instead of showing your ignorance, why don't you also 'look it up?
It shouldn't be too difficult either to work out that 'you are not alone' in the pc brigade. And yes, we do realise that you are confused - that is quite evident from your posts.
Absolute rubbish! If a quota has to be filled, then 'merit' goes out of the window. I am not saying that ethnic minorities are not suitably qualified, and many are undoubtedly very well qualified........................but, the quota has to be filled doesn't it? And it wouldn't be illegal at all - and extremely difficult to prove wouldn't it?
When you have to resort to insults, you've lost the argument. It doesn't seem worthwhile responding to you any further.
If you have to declare yourself the winner of an argument, then you've actually lost it.
There are a variety of ways to win other than that. You can also say the timeless "it's not all of them" or the classic, "nothing to see here". Or can just adopt a statesman like approach by responding to a question asked of you with another question, which instantly defuses any challenge coming your way.
By posting such checkmatey replies means you don't even have to address any of the points being raised in the post you are replying to. You can then slap yourself on the back in the knowledge that you have triumphed over adversity and can thrust aloft the self-proclaimed title of king of the forum.
True, but I haven't actually declared myself anything! What I meant by losing the argument was losing all credibility.
All those Kippers who keep banging on how Nigel will wipe the floor with the other leaders in a TV debate are in for a big shock. Get Nig away from the EU and immigration and he will show himself ad his party up for the Tory Turbos they really are.
I will be gutted if Farage is not included in at least one debate. preferably chaired by Paxman.
However, there is no any compulsion placed on anyone to respond to a post , so please yourself.
Anyway - I was agreeing with you to a point wasn't I? You admitted that you were confused!!
I believe a lot of people would like to see Farage involved in one or more cross Party debates. But you shouldn't get carried away with his 'limited' subject matter - immigration figures very highly upon the list of the electorate's concerns, as does the EU, and as the most he can hope for is to influence government policy rather than introduce it, the other issues will be secondary to him. In other words, as he has already stated, he would ally his Party with the right OR Left, if isuch a coalition would lead to a referendum on the continuation of our EU membership.
That is all well and good but for the vast majority who watch the debate or highlights they will see Farage out of his depth when faced with questions which are not his specialist subject. UKIP do not come across at all well on TV when faced with debate on a wider range of questions. Remember that Kipper MEP on Question Time a couple of months ago who said it was "boring" to discuss anything other than immigration and the EU?
Perception is everything in an election campaign and UKIP will be perceived as not having a clue on a lot of topics and voters will decide accordingly
Part of UKIP's success is not only about the EU and because the current shower don't have a clue on a lot of topics either and have failed to deliver on a number of promises, or have irreparably damaged this country through poorly thought out policies.
People are starting to wake up to lies and spin after just sleepwalking into a polling booth for a good number of years. Even if Farage and UKIP haven't got a clue, a fair percentage of the electorate will just view them as not being any worse than what they have endured over the last 15 years. I also think that as all the tit for tat rubbish is being thrown about between the two major parties, people will just get even more bored as parties seem more interested in beating their chests and castigating one another as opposed to coming up with anything original of their own.
Of course it will be one of the big two who will win, but the fragmenting of their marginal seats should prove interesting.
Have said it before that UKIP have had an easy ride regarding policy scrutiny but this is changing and Farage in a TV debate will expose them for a single issue protest party.
All the signs are that Farage is struggling in Thanet South and will have to spend a lot of time in Kent during the campaign instead of touring the marginal seats.
Once UKIP are questioned about the NHS. welfare and employment rights and their extreme Toryism is brought to light that will make many turn away from them in a GE and only vote for them in a European election.
If UKIP were as popular as some think they are then surely they would be controlling councils in their target areas?
The air is slowly coming out of the big purple balloon
If Farage said the £55m a day into the EU would allow them to feed hungry families reliant on food banks, or the billions per year spent on foreign aid would be ploughed into council housing stock, then it would resonate with a lot of people who feel that they have been trampled on and failed by successive governments who have caused a lot of their troubles, be it through mass immigration, wage compression, shortage of homes and reductions in benefits.
Parties saying "we will cut the deficit" or "we are better than them over there" are all well and good, but never before has there been a better time for the electorate to revolt against the disgrace that politics has descended to from two very complacent, and increasingly incompetent, political parties that are speaking for less and less people as the years roll by. I personally see Labour as taking the toll in future years, as with an aging population increase happening in western countries, it's known that people get more conservative in their views. Unless they can tap into the youth vote, or bus in more voters with the lure of benefits and homes, they are facing another kick into the long grass if they are not careful.
But the real point is that UKIP will just not be in a position to igreatly influence any governmental policy on anything other than the EU and immigration.but Farage will still be able to match the bluster from regular politicians on political issues - a natural talent for all poliicians.
I doubt that anyone really believes that UKIP will be a major political force in the UK. I suspect many people who voted for UKIP in the European elections will place their cross against other Party candidates when voting in a general election. UKIP's only real political strength lies in influence - but Farage will undoubtedly be as articulate as the other political debators if he does have the opportunity. After all, he, like the other politicians likely to be involved, is a master at generalisation of an issue, and discussing principles rather than details is something in which all senior politicians are well rehearsed.
I believe he would acquit himself very well...........even Clegg sounded credible at times - before the election!!
http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/griechenland-bundesregierung-hat-nichts-gegen-austritt-aus-euro-a-1011122.html
Now if this happens soon after the elections in Greece, it will be a huge boost to eurosceptic parties in other countries including UKIP. Don't forget Italy's Five Star movement is campaigning for a referendum on a return to the Lira.
If Greece leaves, others will follow.
Well that shouldn't really surprise anyone - we are approaching a general election, not a European one - and the press , ( usuallu either blue or red), have certainly done their best in a coordinated effort to blacken UKIP and Farage's reputation - and, I might add, been presented with every opportunity to do so. But If they had wished to, I have no doubt that they could have found more material to besmirch the main Party candidates too.
Last election it was the LibDems - who alredady had Parliamentary seats - and their balloon has decidedly been burst - so I suspect the inevitable 'bursting' of UKIPs balloon will be somewhat less dramatic as they certainly don't have as far to fall.
Of course it could survive. It would devalue its currency and instantly attract more tourists, which was a large chunk of Greece's economy before it joined the Euro. Since drachma went, I've gone to Turkey instead of the Greek islands where I typically holidayed, primarily as I can see my money go further.
You are most likely correct when other countries start to see them enjoying the spoils of being better off out than in and could cause a domino effect. If Spain or Italy went, then it would likely herald the end of the project.
Glad to see you have a sense of realism about the forthcoming election. Don't forget that a newspaper owner is a UKIP sponsor so the excuse that all the press is against UKIP is false. OK his paper is full of celebrity trash and nonsense but still a newspaper which can print positive stories.
Oh the inevitable bursting of the UKIP bubble will be dramatic as the knives are stuck into Farage and some of the things that have been kept quiet are leaked into the public domain.
Agreed. It's just a shame you don't.
Marine Le Pen would certainly exploit it to the full, if France abandons the Euro Germany might as well go back to the DM.
Care to explain where I have no sense of realism about the GE? Do please provide a quote to back up what you said if you can.
Wrong. I vote for the SNP. So in the words that Kippers love to use on here "play the ball and not the man"