OK, I'll bite. Just what kind of car do you have that makes it impossible for you to reach the roof that is actually narrower than a Ford Ka?
I have a Hyundai i10. It's 160cm tall, which is about 5'2-5'3, and I'm barely 4'11 with disproportionately short torso. . I can reach part of the roof but nowhere near all of it, nor can I reach all of my windscreen (but a bit of climbing onto the bonnet takes care of that). It's got no boot to speak of, either, so I can't just somehow fold a sweeping brush in there.
Why??! Are they too lazy to do it? Yes, its cold but being 10 minutes or so late for work is preferable to crashing the car because your vision could be impared. Pathetic.
As an expert driver in all conditions I have found that snow off the car roof will not obstruct my vision as long as I do not brake suddenly
:rolleyes: For heaven's sake, I'm not talking about a yardbrush and I guess you've never taken your car through a car wash then?
Hey, just talking from experience and experience has told me NEVER to use a SOFT sweeping brush on a 1982 Black Talbot Alpine made me paranoid (thats why i only buy silver cars now...)
Why??! Are they too lazy to do it? Yes, its cold but being 10 minutes or so late for work is preferable to crashing the car because your vision could be impared. Pathetic.
Jesus Effing Christ, is there nothing people dont moan about in this forum?
But it will impair the vision of those driving behind you.
I once had a huge chunk of ice/snow fly off the top of the car in front...no, there was no slamming of brakes etc...and land on my windscreen. The shock of it, not to mention the 5-10 seconds atleast that it took for the wipers to give me a clear view again, was harrowing. It is an unnecessary hazard and not worth the risk of being the one to initiate a huge pile up
I have a Hyundai i10. It's 160cm tall, which is about 5'2-5'3, and I'm barely 4'11 with disproportionately short torso. . I can reach part of the roof but nowhere near all of it, nor can I reach all of my windscreen (but a bit of climbing onto the bonnet takes care of that). It's got no boot to speak of, either, so I can't just somehow fold a sweeping brush in there.
I'm barely 5'2", but your arms should still be able to reach that height to get most of the snow off with just your coat sleeve. You might have to walk all the way around the car, but it's still do-able, but I'll guess you don't have room in the car for a coat either.
Your car is 1595mm wide, my sweeping brush (cheapo from Asda) is approximately 4' (1220mm) long and you can also get telescopic ones or even just hacksaw off the end to reduce it's size.
I don't think your disproportionately short body torso excuse will work if the police stop you either. Hope it sits well with you if a piece of icy snow comes flying off and smacks into somebody else's windshield though.
I have a Hyundai i10. It's 160cm tall, which is about 5'2-5'3, and I'm barely 4'11 with disproportionately short torso. . I can reach part of the roof but nowhere near all of it, nor can I reach all of my windscreen (but a bit of climbing onto the bonnet takes care of that). It's got no boot to speak of, either, so I can't just somehow fold a sweeping brush in there.
To be honest, that's all beside the point.
You either DON'T think snow on car roofs is a big deal, in which case your height isn't an issue because you aren't bothered about removing the snow regardless.
Or...
You DO accept that snow on car roofs is an issue, in which case you have a moral obligation to find a way to remove it regardless of your personal issues.
Basically, saying "Well, it's not my fault cos I'm short" is a cop-out one way or the other.
The point is, there's nothing I can do about it, and I need to drive. So I'll drive. The amount of snow that I can't get off my roof is hardly going to cause a massive problem, and significantly less than the viewing restirction a massive sweeping brush in my car would cause. It's WATER.
I'm barely 5'2", but your arms should still be able to reach that height to get most of the snow off with just your coat sleeve. You might have to walk all the way around the car, but it's still do-able, but I'll guess you don't have room in the car for a coat either.
How arrogant do you have to be to PRESUME you know just what I can and can't reach? I can't even reach the windscreen, how one earth do you expect me to reach the top? Your experience is completely irrelevant to me. I'm sorry that you are unhappy that my arms aren't able to do what you personally think they "should", but I am not built to your personal preferences.
I don't think your disproportionately short body torso excuse will work if the police stop you either. Hope it sits well with you if a piece of icy snow comes flying off and smacks into somebody else's windshield though.
And I hope it sits well with you if I damage my car or myself or someone else's vehicle because my rear sides are blocked by a sweeping brush.
Edit: Forget it. I have no interest in explaining myself to two moral crusaders who think they know me and my physical capabilities better than I do.
The point is, there's nothing I can do about it, and I need to drive. So I'll drive. The amount of snow that I can't get off my roof is hardly going to cause a massive problem, and significantly less than the viewing restirction a massive sweeping brush in my car would cause.
You're still missing the point.
What happens if you can't afford to tax or insure your car?
Will you have the same attitude then?
"I need to drive so it's just tough luck!"?
If you DO accept that ice on car roofs can be dangerous to following traffic then you DO have an obligation to do something about it rather than trying to justify your inaction.
I seem to recall, a couple of years ago, that the cops around here were actually pulling cars over and forcing the drivers to scrape the snow off their roofs.
The worry is that when you're doing 60mph a big lump of snow/ice could blow off your roof and hit the car behind and cause an accident.
Should be the law actually...once the snow/ice gets to a certain thickness. You have enough to worry about driving on slick roads with black ice, to have to keep an eye out for the sheet of ice on the car in front!
Should be the law actually...once the snow/ice gets to a certain thickness. You have enough to worry about driving on slick roads with black ice, to have to keep an eye out for the sheet of ice on the car in front!
I'm fairly certain this was covered on BBC Breakfast the other day. RAC or AA man mentioned people were being stopped for not clearing the top of the car.
Should be the law actually...once the snow/ice gets to a certain thickness. You have enough to worry about driving on slick roads with black ice, to have to keep an eye out for the sheet of ice on the car in front!
My father who was in the police is fairly adament that it is illegal for a person to drive with snow on the roof.
Why??! Are they too lazy to do it? Yes, its cold but being 10 minutes or so late for work is preferable to crashing the car because your vision could be impared. Pathetic.
If snow slides off my roof I turn the wipers on .
Its certainly less hassle as I drive a van so I couldn't reach all the snow even if I wanted to.
How arrogant do you have to be to PRESUME you know just what I can and can't reach? I can't even reach the windscreen, how one earth do you expect me to reach the top? Your experience is completely irrelevant to me. I'm sorry that you are unhappy that my arms aren't able to do what you personally think they "should", but I am not built to your personal preferences.
It's perfectly logical to presume others can handle and maintain their cars, it's arrogant to think that you can get away with not taking reasonable precautions just because you're smaller than average.
I was originally trying to offer a helpful suggestion but you'd just rather carry on making excuses for your height. You're only 3" shorter than me so regardless of your 'disproportionately short torso' unless you have some other physical disability then I can safely presume what you're capable of.
And I hope it sits well with you if I damage my car or myself or someone else's vehicle because my rear sides are blocked by a sweeping brush.
I'd love to know just what a sweeping brush looks like in your head. Your rear side windows would be no more blocked by one than they'd be by any passengers you'd carry in the back. It's strange how small vans can get around quite safely without having any rear side windows. I'd imagine lots of people would be damaged because they can't see out of them.
you MUST be able to see, so clear all snow and ice from all your windows
you MUST ensure that lights are clean and number plates are clearly visible and legible
make sure the mirrors are clear and the windows are demisted thoroughly remove all snow that might fall off into the path of other road users
check your planned route is clear of delays and that no further snowfalls or severe weather are predicted
[Laws CUR reg 30, RVLR reg 23, VERA sect 43 & RV(DRM)R reg 11]
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But it will impair the vision of those driving behind you.
I have a Hyundai i10. It's 160cm tall, which is about 5'2-5'3, and I'm barely 4'11 with disproportionately short torso. . I can reach part of the roof but nowhere near all of it, nor can I reach all of my windscreen (but a bit of climbing onto the bonnet takes care of that). It's got no boot to speak of, either, so I can't just somehow fold a sweeping brush in there.
As an expert driver in all conditions I have found that snow off the car roof will not obstruct my vision as long as I do not brake suddenly
Hey, just talking from experience and experience has told me NEVER to use a SOFT sweeping brush on a 1982 Black Talbot Alpine
Jesus Effing Christ, is there nothing people dont moan about in this forum?
in a nutshell .... NOPE
I once had a huge chunk of ice/snow fly off the top of the car in front...no, there was no slamming of brakes etc...and land on my windscreen. The shock of it, not to mention the 5-10 seconds atleast that it took for the wipers to give me a clear view again, was harrowing. It is an unnecessary hazard and not worth the risk of being the one to initiate a huge pile up
I'm barely 5'2", but your arms should still be able to reach that height to get most of the snow off with just your coat sleeve. You might have to walk all the way around the car, but it's still do-able, but I'll guess you don't have room in the car for a coat either.
Your car is 1595mm wide, my sweeping brush (cheapo from Asda) is approximately 4' (1220mm) long and you can also get telescopic ones or even just hacksaw off the end to reduce it's size.
I don't think your disproportionately short body torso excuse will work if the police stop you either. Hope it sits well with you if a piece of icy snow comes flying off and smacks into somebody else's windshield though.
To be honest, that's all beside the point.
You either DON'T think snow on car roofs is a big deal, in which case your height isn't an issue because you aren't bothered about removing the snow regardless.
Or...
You DO accept that snow on car roofs is an issue, in which case you have a moral obligation to find a way to remove it regardless of your personal issues.
Basically, saying "Well, it's not my fault cos I'm short" is a cop-out one way or the other.
Huh? What about the guy behind you??
The point is, there's nothing I can do about it, and I need to drive. So I'll drive. The amount of snow that I can't get off my roof is hardly going to cause a massive problem, and significantly less than the viewing restirction a massive sweeping brush in my car would cause. It's WATER.
How arrogant do you have to be to PRESUME you know just what I can and can't reach? I can't even reach the windscreen, how one earth do you expect me to reach the top? Your experience is completely irrelevant to me. I'm sorry that you are unhappy that my arms aren't able to do what you personally think they "should", but I am not built to your personal preferences.
And I hope it sits well with you if I damage my car or myself or someone else's vehicle because my rear sides are blocked by a sweeping brush.
Edit: Forget it. I have no interest in explaining myself to two moral crusaders who think they know me and my physical capabilities better than I do.
What happens if you can't afford to tax or insure your car?
Will you have the same attitude then?
"I need to drive so it's just tough luck!"?
If you DO accept that ice on car roofs can be dangerous to following traffic then you DO have an obligation to do something about it rather than trying to justify your inaction.
Yeah.
How'd that work out for the Titanic?
Should be the law actually...once the snow/ice gets to a certain thickness. You have enough to worry about driving on slick roads with black ice, to have to keep an eye out for the sheet of ice on the car in front!
I'm fairly certain this was covered on BBC Breakfast the other day. RAC or AA man mentioned people were being stopped for not clearing the top of the car.
My father who was in the police is fairly adament that it is illegal for a person to drive with snow on the roof.
If snow slides off my roof I turn the wipers on .
Its certainly less hassle as I drive a van so I couldn't reach all the snow even if I wanted to.
Does he know how vehicles that are higher than a car can get the snow off?
Are people too stupid or ignorant to understand that it doesn't affect YOU?
It affects following vehicles.
It's perfectly logical to presume others can handle and maintain their cars, it's arrogant to think that you can get away with not taking reasonable precautions just because you're smaller than average.
I was originally trying to offer a helpful suggestion but you'd just rather carry on making excuses for your height. You're only 3" shorter than me so regardless of your 'disproportionately short torso' unless you have some other physical disability then I can safely presume what you're capable of.
I'd love to know just what a sweeping brush looks like in your head. Your rear side windows would be no more blocked by one than they'd be by any passengers you'd carry in the back. It's strange how small vans can get around quite safely without having any rear side windows. I'd imagine lots of people would be damaged because they can't see out of them.
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Before you set off
you MUST be able to see, so clear all snow and ice from all your windows
you MUST ensure that lights are clean and number plates are clearly visible and legible
make sure the mirrors are clear and the windows are demisted thoroughly
remove all snow that might fall off into the path of other road users
check your planned route is clear of delays and that no further snowfalls or severe weather are predicted
[Laws CUR reg 30, RVLR reg 23, VERA sect 43 & RV(DRM)R reg 11]
I am not sure, but I am sure that he classed it as "driving without due cause and attention.
That depends on the direction the car is travelling, what the deceleration is and the shape of the car.