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Are BBC hiring standards lower in the north than in the south?

gateauxgateaux Posts: 694
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For example, if you compare BBC London News presenters with the people that have been hired to work on BBC Breakfast since it moved to Salford, it's pretty clear that the talent pool up north isn't great.

That would be fine for most industries where you save money making goods with cheaper labour and nobody is any the wiser, but television is different - your cheap hirings are laid bare to the nation.

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    Gary_LandyFanGary_LandyFan Posts: 3,824
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    Manchester is not 'up North'...

    If Manchester us classed as the North then I must live in another country (North East England)
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    JohnQuigJohnQuig Posts: 212
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    gateaux wrote: »
    For example, if you compare BBC London News presenters with the people that have been hired to work on BBC Breakfast since it moved to Salford, it's pretty clear that the talent pool up north isn't great.

    That would be fine for most industries where you save money making goods with cheaper labour and nobody is any the wiser, but television is different - your cheap hirings are laid bare to the nation.

    The talent is actually better. Old stalwarts at TV centre are being replaced with new blood who can do the job better.
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    RadiomikeRadiomike Posts: 7,949
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    gateaux wrote: »
    For example, if you compare BBC London News presenters with the people that have been hired to work on BBC Breakfast since it moved to Salford, it's pretty clear that the talent pool up north isn't great.

    That would be fine for most industries where you save money making goods with cheaper labour and nobody is any the wiser, but television is different - your cheap hirings are laid bare to the nation.

    I take it that you are a southerner then based on the above >:(
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 7,488
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    Manchester is not 'up North'...

    If Manchester us classed as the North then I must live in another country (North East England)

    Manchester is in the North of England, might not be what's traditionally considered "up North", but there's no denying it's in the North of England...
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    Steveaustin316Steveaustin316 Posts: 15,779
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    Manchester is in the North of England, might not be what's traditionally considered "up North", but there's no denying it's in the North of England...

    Manchester is "up north" if you live further south, just as it could also be considered "down south" for those who live further north.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 453
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    Manchester is "up north" if you live further south, just as it could also be considered "down south" for those who live further north.

    Yeah, but if you take England as a whole, Manchester is basically in the middle. Manchester is in the 'Midlands'.
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    Steveaustin316Steveaustin316 Posts: 15,779
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    Eston Bleu wrote: »
    Yeah, but if you take England as a whole, Manchester is basically in the middle. Manchester is in the 'Midlands'.

    I take it you meant to say the UK as a whole? Birmingham is a much more central location in England than Manchester.
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    Guest82722Guest82722 Posts: 10,019
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    'This is Granada from the north'.

    I mean the middle.

    Safe to assume Manchester is in the north.
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    AmbassadorAmbassador Posts: 22,333
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    Slightly OT I find it odd that Northumberland is described as part of the 'North East' as opposed to the North.

    Must be a regions thing, the North East is never referred to as 'the North' yet Manchester (3 hours from Northumberland) is 'the North'
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    BushmillsBushmills Posts: 2,276
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    gateaux wrote: »
    For example, if you compare BBC London News presenters with the people that have been hired to work on BBC Breakfast since it moved to Salford, it's pretty clear that the talent pool up north isn't great.

    That would be fine for most industries where you save money making goods with cheaper labour and nobody is any the wiser, but television is different - your cheap hirings are laid bare to the nation.

    Yeah, all the talent is in London. The rest of the country is a creative wasteland where all the people are fat and stupid.

    They smell, too.
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    d'@ved'@ve Posts: 45,531
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    For the Geographically challenged in this thread, Northern England includes the traditional counties of Cheshire, (arguably North Derbyshire), Yorkshire and all points north as far as the Scottish border. Roughly it's England north of a wavy line from the Dee to the Humber and Greater Manchester is most certainly included. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_of_Northern_England.png

    Just because some people live at the northern end of that area does not mean they can deny others further south in the area the right to call themselves northerners.

    But obviously, back on topic, the Greater Manchester + Merseyside areas with a population of say 4 million is bound to have a smaller talent pool than say the Greater London commuting area with over 10 million, and because the best of Salford Quays will tend to be stolen by Broadcasting House (such is Large Corporate life).
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    HildaonplutoHildaonpluto Posts: 37,697
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    I cant see any variability across the board in the standards.Can you give an example of what you mean?
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    markmagmarkmag Posts: 3,131
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    gateaux wrote: »
    For example, if you compare BBC London News presenters with the people that have been hired to work on BBC Breakfast since it moved to Salford, it's pretty clear that the talent pool up north isn't great.

    I can only think of one BBC London News presenter that is even remotely in the same league as the presenter pool in Salford, and I'm a Southerner. Maybe you just have an affinity towards presenters who talk about London a lot?
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    ftvftv Posts: 31,668
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    Ambassador wrote: »
    Slightly OT I find it odd that Northumberland is described as part of the 'North East' as opposed to the North.

    Must be a regions thing, the North East is never referred to as 'the North' yet Manchester (3 hours from Northumberland) is 'the North'

    So why is the BBC local news programme from Newcastle called Look North ?
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    lundavralundavra Posts: 31,790
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    Ambassador wrote: »
    Slightly OT I find it odd that Northumberland is described as part of the 'North East' as opposed to the North.

    Must be a regions thing, the North East is never referred to as 'the North' yet Manchester (3 hours from Northumberland) is 'the North'

    The original BBC North Region was based on Manchester, studio centres then developed in Leeds and Newcastle. Don't the BBC use 'Look North' for all the regional news programmes in that area? A viewer in each area will only see their local one, unless they start fiddling around on Freesat, so it does not matter that there is another one based somewhere else in the region.

    They are only down South anyway!
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    ftvftv Posts: 31,668
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    lundavra wrote: »
    The original BBC North Region was based on Manchester, studio centres then developed in Leeds and Newcastle. Don't the BBC use 'Look North' for all the regional news programmes in that area? A viewer in each area will only see their local one, unless they start fiddling around on Freesat, so it does not matter that there is another one based somewhere else in the region.

    They are only down South anyway!

    The Manchester local programme is actually called North West Tonight and not Look North. There is also a Look North from Hull for east Yorkshire and Lincolnshire although it is known to most viewers as the Peter Levy Show.
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    Jason CJason C Posts: 31,336
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    Those who have stated on this thread that Manchester doesn't lie in the North of England would do well to look at a UK map and realise that Manchester is actually further north than Sheffield is.
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    lundavralundavra Posts: 31,790
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    ftv wrote: »
    The Manchester local programme is actually called North West Tonight and not Look North. There is also a Look North from Hull for east Yorkshire and Lincolnshire although it is known to most viewers as the Peter Levy Show.

    Many years since I saw it, it used to be Look North.
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    CricketbladeCricketblade Posts: 2,218
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    South Yorkshire local news is also called look north and thats only 2 hours by train from London!
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    pedrokpedrok Posts: 16,769
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    Manchester is in the North of England, might not be what's traditionally considered "up North", but there's no denying it's in the North of England...

    The BBC, which is the British Broadcasting Corporation, does not just cover England.

    In British terms, Manchester is not in the north.
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    lundavralundavra Posts: 31,790
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    Manchester is in the North of England, might not be what's traditionally considered "up North", but there's no denying it's in the North of England...
    pedrok wrote: »
    The BBC, which is the British Broadcasting Corporation, does not just cover England.

    In British terms, Manchester is not in the north.

    But he twice used 'North of England' and never mentioned Britain or North Britain.
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    snukrsnukr Posts: 19,729
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    pedrok wrote: »
    The BBC, which is the British Broadcasting Corporation, does not just cover England.

    In British terms, Manchester is not in the north.
    Nor is North East England, Scotland is the North of Britain.
    As somebody who comes from Greater Manchester I've never heard anybody refer to it as the Midlands, it's definitely in the North of England. People in the North East are in the far North.
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    lundavralundavra Posts: 31,790
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    snukr wrote: »
    Nor is North East England, Scotland is the North of Britain.
    As somebody who comes from Greater Manchester I've never heard anybody refer to it as the Midlands, it's definitely in the North of England. P eople in the North East are in the far North.

    It's all relative, Glasgow and Scotland (where I suspect some of these comments originate) are in the South of Scotland but like to talk as if they are in the 'North'.
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