Gentrification
JDF
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Is it a good or bad thing?
I think it is bad,
I think it is bad,
Gentrification 71 votes
GOOD
61%
44 votes
BAD
38%
27 votes
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All neighbourhoods change over time, usually to some people's benefit rather than others, it would be a matter of perspective I suppose as to whether you felt that to be good or bad.
At the most basic level I suppose you could characterise it as good for house owners (who see a rise in their property value), and bad for renters (who see an increase in their rent).
Well if someone owns their house I expect they would be quite pleased at the increase in its value.
So poor people are not important >:(
That is not what I have said is it?
You asked how anyone could see it as a good thing and I answered with a reason that people might be in favour.
Are you not aware that poor people own houses as well? Often in the very areas that become subject to gentrification. Which makes them less poor. Something I expect they are broadly in favour of.
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Bloody hell.
Off to the workhouse for the "riff-raff" is it, or just keep them on the streets?
PMSL 'riff-raff', who do you think you are, Bertie Big Bollocks Wooster?:D
Honestly, I'd feel like the neighbourhood had taken a definite turn for the worse if someone moved in down the street and started talking about 'riff-raff'. :cool:
Only if you think that living in a dump is a good thing.
What happens to the poor people that live there ,they have to move on and when Gentrification happens to the place they moved they have to move a again its not right or fair poor people need a place to live that is with in there means ,Its should not just be all for people with money>:(
I can understand why that would feel frustrating, those at the very bottom do tend to get overlooked. What do you think the solution should be?
Realistically we can't prevent people moving to a previously overlooked area, and tbh the reason that areas tend to become hot spots is because they are affordable compared to the existing affluent areas which are already out of the incomers price bracket. I would be interested to consider measures like rent caps and social housing, but there is very little political appetite for that it seems.
in London, where pretty much everywhere is gentrified, that means nothing, unless you want to sell up and move to some village in Norfolk
Downsides - property prices are ridiculous, it does seem that the same type of people go to the same events, "yummy" mummies and daddies who think their offspring should been seen, heard, and loved by everyone, homogenization of different cultures.
Thing is, how do you do it without excluding someone somewhere? Places do improve generally when more money arrives in an area, that's just how it is. Then it becomes more desirable and the rules of supply and demand come in when it comes to housing. If we had a government (of any colour) that allowed social housing construction on a massive scale we wouldn't have all the issues around outrageous rents and house prices we do now.
As it happens, I'm happy for gentrification to occur. Who doesn't want to live somewhere nicer? However, I'm lucky as I'm well paid and can for the moment stay put.
Dont you think or care about the poor people in that area ?
Where do I state that I don't care for poor people?
Did you not see my opinion on social housing?
Usually urban areas that are re-generated thanks to more affluent residents and businesses moving in. In London a lot of the East End which was previously poor and working class has gone through gentrification over the past 20 years or so.
There are downsides - poorer communities often end up forced out of these areas because they are no longer affordable, and quite often the culture can become homogenised.
Surely poor people also deserve to live in an area which is getting invested in to improve the quality of housing, public services and job opportunities rather than being left to rot in a slum.
Absolutely!
However, you have seen the type of government we tend to have in this country... (Labour and Conservative should both hang their heads in shame here )social housing is never at the top of their list, neither is housebuilding on any large scale generally, so we have a supply and demand problem which is why the price of houses is so high in many areas, and why private rents are also so high.
If we had enough council housing to go round then we wouldn't have people trapped in slums they can barely afford.
Investment is usually private, too which then often hampers helping out people who could really do with it, whether that's education opportunities, employment, or community facilities.
Unfortunately the way it works in this country, rightly or wrongly, is that it tends to be people with money that get an area improved, those with the sharpest elbows and the loudest voices get heard. I'm not saying I agree with it, I'm just saying this is the reality of it.
Like I said in my previous posting, I happen to enjoy living in a gentrified area, and have an income that means I am lucky enough to take advantage of what it has brought. It doesn't mean I am oblivious to the negative aspects of gentrification, or that I don't want it to change.
Why? Would you prefer it if run down areas and their residents were forgotten about? Would you prefer it if people didn't work hard to improve their lives?
The housing crisis has been caused by successive Government policy and neglect, including years of Labour rule.
It hasn't been caused by the average persons natural aspirations. Would the misery and futility of communism be better?
So a terrible thing to good class warriors who believe in the noble poor, whilst sending their own kids to a private school in a nice neighbourhood.