Opinion Polls Discussion Thread (Part 3)

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  • tiger2000tiger2000 Posts: 8,541
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    YouGov

    6th Jan - Lab 33 Con 33

    6th May - Lab 33 Con 33

    You would have got good money on that at the bookies!
  • InspirationInspiration Posts: 62,705
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    Thanks for all the discussion about the polls over the last couple of years. I know this thread is always here but it's been enjoyable to discuss the movements, however small.. and share opinions. Will be fascinating to see if the end result is the same as the polls are predicting. Cheers all. :kitty:
  • blueisthecolourblueisthecolour Posts: 20,127
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    Has anyone pointed out yet that yesterday's YouGov poll might have shown the two parties level but it also recorded only 2.5% swing from Con to Lab in the key marginals. That won't be enough for Labour to win the 60 odd seats in England and Wales they need to get ahead of the Tories.
  • tiger2000tiger2000 Posts: 8,541
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    heiker wrote: »
    You can read the mind of an undecided voter before they've decided :o
    The stats are from one of yesterday's polls.
  • Sky_GuySky_Guy Posts: 6,859
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    I think the poles are wrong, shoot me down.
  • marke09marke09 Posts: 12,139
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    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 6m6 minutes ago

    Latest Ipsos-MORI poll:
    CON - 36% (+1)
    LAB - 35% (+5)
    UKIP - 11% (+1)
    LDEM - 8% (-)
    GRN - 5% (-3)
  • marke09marke09 Posts: 12,139
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    So the experts have had their say about seat predictions but do you think you could do a better job? Then try the for fun seat projection competition - many of you already have - entries close 9pm Thursday

    http://forums.digitalspy.co.uk/showthread.php?t=2069432
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 872
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    marke09 wrote: »
    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 6m6 minutes ago

    Latest Ipsos-MORI poll:
    CON - 36% (+1)
    LAB - 35% (+5)
    UKIP - 11% (+1)
    LDEM - 8% (-)
    GRN - 5% (-3)

    On the Betfair odds for next GB PM, Milliband odds are drifting while Camerons are shortening. Cam 1.86 v Mili 2.18
  • tiger2000tiger2000 Posts: 8,541
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    marke09 wrote: »
    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 6m6 minutes ago

    Latest Ipsos-MORI poll:
    CON - 36% (+1)
    LAB - 35% (+5)
    UKIP - 11% (+1)
    LDEM - 8% (-)
    GRN - 5% (-3)

    Is that the last poll published before the Exit Poll?
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    On the Betfair odds for next GB PM, Milliband odds are drifting while Camerons are shortening. Cam 1.86 v Mili 2.18

    I'm still unclear as to what they pay out on, though. Would Cameron have to get a Queen's speech through for his backers to win?

    EDIT: After looking at the Betfair rules, it seems it's the PM who can indeed get a Queen's speech through. In which case, I find those odds surprising for Cameron. Looking at the seat predictions (even those on Betfair). I can't see how he can assemble enough support to pass the speech. :confused:
  • tiger2000tiger2000 Posts: 8,541
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    If the polls are to be believed there has been a small swing to Labour in the last 48 hours, even in the ones still showing a small Tory lead, all well within MOE of course so could mean absolutely nothing.
  • Rich Tea.Rich Tea. Posts: 22,048
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    On the Betfair odds for next GB PM, Milliband odds are drifting while Camerons are shortening. Cam 1.86 v Mili 2.18
    On what basis? Nothing scientific I presume and just where the hard cash is being placed.

    Remember that those odds are no better than a coin toss in truth. A 25-1 shot won the grand national after all!
  • BoyardBoyard Posts: 5,393
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    marke09 wrote: »
    Britain Elects ‏@britainelects 6m6 minutes ago

    Latest Ipsos-MORI poll:
    CON - 36% (+1)8
    LAB - 35% (+5)
    UKIP - 11% (+1)
    LDEM - 8% (-)
    GRN - 5% (-3)

    Looks like greens coming back to Labour
  • Mr_X_123Mr_X_123 Posts: 1,837
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    The odds reflect a) that as incumbent Cameron might get first dibs if it is very close and b) that those within the Labour camp are more pessimistic about the results than the published polls suggest whilst the Tories think they are doing better than the polls predict.
  • TassiumTassium Posts: 31,639
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    On the Betfair odds for next GB PM, Milliband odds are drifting while Camerons are shortening. Cam 1.86 v Mili 2.18

    Odds are influenced by betting.

    And in politics the betting is heavily influenced by delusion, not cold hard facts.. Many people bet on what they want to happen.

    With things like horse racing it's a different story, many of the those betting on the horses have a very good idea as to the reality of the situation.

    In horse racing the favourite is likely to win. But that does not apply in politics.
  • northantsgirlnorthantsgirl Posts: 4,663
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    Annsyre wrote: »
    There will be trouble at Hackney polling stations because so many have been denied their votes due to the incompetence of the Council there.

    Trouble due to the government's new individual electoral registration system you mean. Still it's working in the way they intended- those most likely to vote Labour are getting disenfranchised.
  • AnnsyreAnnsyre Posts: 109,504
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    Trouble due to the government's new individual electoral registration system you mean. Still it's working in the way they intended- those most likely to vote Labour are getting disenfranchised.

    The individual registration has worked everywhere else. In Hackney they found many discrepancies e.g. not being able to match people to the info given. There is bound to be a stink after the election.
  • ChrisTakaChrisTaka Posts: 281
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    Tassium wrote: »
    In horse racing the favourite is likely to win. But that does not apply in politics.

    It doesn't really apply in Horse racing, just ask my empty pockets.

    I am a Labour supporter, but i have a bad feeling the polls are wrong.

    My opinion, late swing to conservatives making them clearly the biggest party and allowing them to form a coalition.
  • apaulapaul Posts: 9,846
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    Boyard wrote: »
    Looks like greens coming back to Labour

    Much more likely that the previous 'corker' poll was wrong.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 872
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    Betting on politics is not just like throwing a coin in the air.

    https://betting.betfair.com/politics/general-election-2015-betting/general-election-2015-betfair-launches-betfair-predicts-app-250315-273.html
    Betfair's Exchange has a track record of calling political outcomes correctly; most recently calling a No vote at the Scottish Referendum as an 80% chance throughout the campaign, while the polls were calling it 50/50. What's more, we also correctly predicted a hung parliament in the 2010 General Election a full 21 days before the election date.
  • jjnejjne Posts: 6,580
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    Sky_Guy wrote: »
    I think the poles are wrong, shoot me down.

    All 38 million of them?
  • Amanda_RaymondAmanda_Raymond Posts: 2,301
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    ICM has put out it's final poll with the fieldwork added which it did last night and Labour have a 1 point lead 35 to tories 34
  • jjnejjne Posts: 6,580
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    Tassium wrote: »
    Odds are influenced by betting.

    And in politics the betting is heavily influenced by delusion, not cold hard facts.. Many people bet on what they want to happen.

    With things like horse racing it's a different story, many of the those betting on the horses have a very good idea as to the reality of the situation.

    In horse racing the favourite is likely to win. But that does not apply in politics.

    Betting essentially follows the polls.

    It's the only solid information we have on how a political event is likely to go. The odds reflect the bets which reflect the evidence... i.e. the polls, skewed of course by people close to the parties themselves betting based on their own research (i.e. more polls, albeit private ones).

    There are a lot of 'hunches' in play but these will largely self-cancel. It's all about the polls.
  • iwearoddsocksiwearoddsocks Posts: 3,030
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    Mr_X_123 wrote: »
    The odds reflect a) that as incumbent Cameron might get first dibs if it is very close and b) that those within the Labour camp are more pessimistic about the results than the published polls suggest whilst the Tories think they are doing better than the polls predict.

    Where are you picking that up from? Just purely on the betting odds?
  • Apple_CrumbleApple_Crumble Posts: 21,748
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    Just been looking at polls from recent days about the SNP and their chances. Anywhere between 47 - 56 seats is the range.
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