Again, as I said in the long-running Showbiz thread, my mum warned me about Savile many years prior to his death (we lived quite near his Roundhay Park Leeds home and I sometimes saw him jogging round the area). She swore to me that back in the late 1950s, he was sleeping with her 14 year old classmate and she always said he was a total creep. What she actually told me went a bit further than that and is unverifiable but she was adamant about the above. My dad used to go to the dance hall he DJ'd after college and had mixed feelings about him. He said he was okay with him and his mates but that you didn't mess with him.
dory, have you ever met a Leeds person over a certain age that hadn't heard something about him (whilst he was still alive and the authorities weren't interested)? I don't think I have... To me this report lacks credibility, exonerating management at these institutions - how could they be the only people around who weren't uncomfortable with him hanging around? Used to be the standard joke,didn't it, that if you were in an accident and woke up at the LGI with his face leering down at you, you'd wish you'd died...
Isn't it alleged that a former presenter of "That's Life" and founder of "Childline" was told about these things by a victim and basically said nothing.
An abuse capaigner who was going by a differnt name then sold a story to a tabloid which claimed she heard rumours and she relayed those rumours to the lady in question. The lady in question said she recalled a person (using different name then ) who spoke with one of her researchers about being absued by her father but that she never spoke to her direct or was told about the overheard rumours about Savile by this lady.
The lady in question has openly said there was gossip and rumours.
Its funny, when reading the reports its clearly asserted that there were many people, including ward sisters and the like, who didn't rate him. Which seems to belie the mantra that everyone was too in awe of him to do or say anything.
I can also say from personal experience, that 'good works' and fund raising wouldn't even have been on my radar if a man had tried to do anything inappropriate to me. I'm sure I aren't unique.
This is why so many people start to doubt the level of his crimes as silly things like this are linked. Savile was interviewed as were many others who lived in that area as witnesses which is the norm in such cases.
I personally think there are band wagon jumpers in this case but I also believe he is guilty of many of the crimes he is accused of as there are just too many independent accounts .
There's also this:
1980s: At some point in the decade, a female victim is believed to have told the Metropolitan police she had been assaulted in Savile's campervan in a BBC car park. The police file cannot be located and the investigating officer is now dead.
We'll probably never know how much power/hold he had over people. But I always remember the documentary when Louie met Jimmie, and Louie was quite amazed that Jimmie had his personnel mobile phone number, a number only known to a few people. When questioned about it he taps the side of his nose aad replies "I know people"
dory, have you ever met a Leeds person over a certain age that hadn't heard something about him (whilst he was still alive and the authorities weren't interested)? I don't think I have... To me this report lacks credibility, exonerating management at these institutions - how could they be the only people around who weren't uncomfortable with him hanging around? Used to be the standard joke,didn't it, that if you were in an accident and woke up at the LGI with his face leering down at you, you'd wish you'd died...
Just like I believe that there are embellishments in the stories that have emerged, Hogz, I also think that there are some people with very selective memories about how much they did and didn't know. I firmly believe, as I suggested earlier, that there are several people in positions of authority, many still alive, who enabled him- some more consciously than others. I think Savile was very clever at perpetuating the myth that he was more powerful than he actually was (clearly using his 'chari-dee' work as a lever) which facilitated a spirit of collusion; don't challenge him, don't rock the boat because he 'knows' people and there will be consequences. As for the vulnerable people such as hospital patients- his 'victims', if you like- if he could hold sway over others in authority then they never stood a chance against him.
Is there any evidence of this aspect? It all just seems potentially like jokey comments.
Yeah, I'm unconvinced about this too as there is lots of 'gallows humour' in hospital, especially around death. Am in no doubt he was a bad 'un, but whether he went this far..hmmmm.
While I don't doubt that Savile did many depraved things, the quality of news coverage has been appalling. Today's BBC One O'clock News report featured a staff member who witnessed Savile at Broadmoor. Her most compelling evidence was some vague nonsense about Savile having sinister "dead eyes". This went unquestioned by the presenter.
Honestly, I expect this sort of thing from the gutterpress tabloids, but has the nation's major news broadcaster really sunk to the level where "He was funny-looking" is deemed credible evidence of wrongdoing?
I am utterly gob smacked at the enormous scale and extent of his abuse. From children, the elderly, the mentally ill, and the dead.
What is also stunning is that not one person in authority showed much concern.
Well, when you have a freemasonic freak with friends in royalty, MI5 and the police, it becomes crystal clear what has been going on. Elite paedo rings and their protection is the real story here. Not the focus on a dead man we cannot punish. We need to focus on the evil scumbags who are still alive. They haven't stopped their practices, they'll have gone further underground. When you have MI5 ordering the police to release Cyril Smith from arrest for child porn offences, do you really have any hope? We hear of old stuff, not the current stuff. Google Elm Guest House, there is one very high profile man who likes Mistletoe and Wine who attended. The photographs taken of evidence before handing over to the police are available online. Smith was a regular there, the lot of them had links to parliament and No.10 according to MP Tom Watson. It is not conspiracy, they are evil and vile, the ones doing it and the ones covering up and not saying anything. The pacifists are allowing this shit to carry on.
And people said David Icke was mad. I remember reading his articles about Pervy Savile years and years ago before it came to light. he was brave enough to speak out and everybody called him crazy.
I never liked Savile and hardly ever watched his progs. Even when I was a teenager and we watched Top of the Pops, if Savile was Presnting the show, me and all my friends disliked him because he was old even then. He was just so uncool and creepy.
And people said David Icke was mad. I remember reading his articles about Pervy Savile years and years ago before it came to light. he was brave enough to speak out and everybody called him crazy.
I never liked Savile and hardly ever watched his progs. Even when I was a teenager and we watched Top of the Pops, if Savile was Presnting the show, me and all my friends disliked him because he was old even then. He was just so uncool and creepy.
His alleged crimes to one side being old or uncool does not make you a pervert.
Is there any evidence of this aspect? It all just seems potentially like jokey comments.
There is no smoke without fire. Everyone knew he was a weirdo back in the 70s. Rumours were rife about his crimes and sick habits, he was a powerful man with powerful people protecting him. No doubt there were those who tried to stop him, they probably were killed.
dory, have you ever met a Leeds person over a certain age that hadn't heard something about him (whilst he was still alive and the authorities weren't interested)? I don't think I have... To me this report lacks credibility, exonerating management at these institutions - how could they be the only people around who weren't uncomfortable with him hanging around? Used to be the standard joke,didn't it, that if you were in an accident and woke up at the LGI with his face leering down at you, you'd wish you'd died...
I hear stuff about all kinds of celebrities from all sorts of people. Picking Savile's rumours out as "evidence" of his reputation is confirmation bias.
There is no smoke without fire. Everyone knew he was a weirdo back in the 70s. Rumours were rife about his crimes and sick habits, he was a powerful man with powerful people protecting him. No doubt there were those who tried to stop him, they probably were killed.
Tell that to the poor sod who got charged - then CLEARED - of Rachel Nickell's murder back in the 1990s! When they finally did catch the real killer he'd murdered a woman and child in the time the cops had been busy with all their "evidence" surrounding the innocent man. By "evidence," of course, it was saucy letters he'd written to an undercover cop.
No smoke without fire! Are you posting this from the year 1420?
There is no smoke without fire. Everyone knew he was a weirdo back in the 70s. Rumours were rife about his crimes and sick habits, he was a powerful man with powerful people protecting him. No doubt there were those who tried to stop him, they probably were killed.
Of course there is. According to the reports he was a pretty nasty, manipulative piece of work in terms of his live victims. Hearing that there's the possibility of dead ones isn't a surprise to me, but that doesn't make it true.
There is no smoke without fire. Everyone knew he was a weirdo back in the 70s. Rumours were rife about his crimes and sick habits, he was a powerful man with powerful people protecting him. No doubt there were those who tried to stop him, they probably were killed.
That would be the ultimate irony, to accuse him of pumping dead bodies and he had you killed and pumped your corpse. He was supposedly putting glass eyes from corpses in jewellery as well?
Of course there is. According to the reports he was a pretty nasty, manipulative piece of work in terms of his live victims. Hearing that there's the possibility of dead ones isn't a surprise to me, but that doesn't make it true.
I hope it isn't true about the corpses. Some sort of necrononce that would take the story to a new uncharted level.
I hope it isn't true about the corpses. Some sort of necrononce that would take the story to a new uncharted level.
Well there isn't a shred of evidence that its true.
Mind you, there are reports of him abducting and killing a child from a place he never visited. "The witness seemed credible" apparently.
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dory, have you ever met a Leeds person over a certain age that hadn't heard something about him (whilst he was still alive and the authorities weren't interested)? I don't think I have... To me this report lacks credibility, exonerating management at these institutions - how could they be the only people around who weren't uncomfortable with him hanging around? Used to be the standard joke,didn't it, that if you were in an accident and woke up at the LGI with his face leering down at you, you'd wish you'd died...
An abuse capaigner who was going by a differnt name then sold a story to a tabloid which claimed she heard rumours and she relayed those rumours to the lady in question. The lady in question said she recalled a person (using different name then ) who spoke with one of her researchers about being absued by her father but that she never spoke to her direct or was told about the overheard rumours about Savile by this lady.
The lady in question has openly said there was gossip and rumours.
I can also say from personal experience, that 'good works' and fund raising wouldn't even have been on my radar if a man had tried to do anything inappropriate to me. I'm sure I aren't unique.
There's also this:
http://www.theguardian.com/media/2014/jun/26/jimmy-savile-sexual-abuse-timeline
Was it just bad luck or incompetence that the file went missing? Or did
somebody with an interest in protecting Savile pull strings?
Just like I believe that there are embellishments in the stories that have emerged, Hogz, I also think that there are some people with very selective memories about how much they did and didn't know. I firmly believe, as I suggested earlier, that there are several people in positions of authority, many still alive, who enabled him- some more consciously than others. I think Savile was very clever at perpetuating the myth that he was more powerful than he actually was (clearly using his 'chari-dee' work as a lever) which facilitated a spirit of collusion; don't challenge him, don't rock the boat because he 'knows' people and there will be consequences. As for the vulnerable people such as hospital patients- his 'victims', if you like- if he could hold sway over others in authority then they never stood a chance against him.
Yeah, I'm unconvinced about this too as there is lots of 'gallows humour' in hospital, especially around death. Am in no doubt he was a bad 'un, but whether he went this far..hmmmm.
Honestly, I expect this sort of thing from the gutterpress tabloids, but has the nation's major news broadcaster really sunk to the level where "He was funny-looking" is deemed credible evidence of wrongdoing?
Well, when you have a freemasonic freak with friends in royalty, MI5 and the police, it becomes crystal clear what has been going on. Elite paedo rings and their protection is the real story here. Not the focus on a dead man we cannot punish. We need to focus on the evil scumbags who are still alive. They haven't stopped their practices, they'll have gone further underground. When you have MI5 ordering the police to release Cyril Smith from arrest for child porn offences, do you really have any hope? We hear of old stuff, not the current stuff. Google Elm Guest House, there is one very high profile man who likes Mistletoe and Wine who attended. The photographs taken of evidence before handing over to the police are available online. Smith was a regular there, the lot of them had links to parliament and No.10 according to MP Tom Watson. It is not conspiracy, they are evil and vile, the ones doing it and the ones covering up and not saying anything. The pacifists are allowing this shit to carry on.
I never liked Savile and hardly ever watched his progs. Even when I was a teenager and we watched Top of the Pops, if Savile was Presnting the show, me and all my friends disliked him because he was old even then. He was just so uncool and creepy.
His alleged crimes to one side being old or uncool does not make you a pervert.
There is no smoke without fire. Everyone knew he was a weirdo back in the 70s. Rumours were rife about his crimes and sick habits, he was a powerful man with powerful people protecting him. No doubt there were those who tried to stop him, they probably were killed.
I hear stuff about all kinds of celebrities from all sorts of people. Picking Savile's rumours out as "evidence" of his reputation is confirmation bias.
Sshh, or we'll have to kill you too ;-):D
^_^ Uh oh! Not that old chestnut!
Tell that to the poor sod who got charged - then CLEARED - of Rachel Nickell's murder back in the 1990s! When they finally did catch the real killer he'd murdered a woman and child in the time the cops had been busy with all their "evidence" surrounding the innocent man. By "evidence," of course, it was saucy letters he'd written to an undercover cop.
No smoke without fire! Are you posting this from the year 1420?
Of course there is. According to the reports he was a pretty nasty, manipulative piece of work in terms of his live victims. Hearing that there's the possibility of dead ones isn't a surprise to me, but that doesn't make it true.
That would be the ultimate irony, to accuse him of pumping dead bodies and he had you killed and pumped your corpse. He was supposedly putting glass eyes from corpses in jewellery as well?
I hope it isn't true about the corpses. Some sort of necrononce that would take the story to a new uncharted level.
I thought it was just mischief making like the "Have I Got News For You" transcript that also did the rounds.
I hope you are not serious.
Well there isn't a shred of evidence that its true.
Mind you, there are reports of him abducting and killing a child from a place he never visited. "The witness seemed credible" apparently.