I'm not sure if this is the actual reason for having the bulletins on the half hour, but I think when Radio 1 began the same newsreader would read the news on Radio 2 on the hour and Radio 1 on the half hour (same as what happens now on Radio 2 and 6 Music in the evening and at weekends). On the other hand, when the Light Programme started hourly news summaries they were on the half hour rather than on the hour, so it may have just been continuing that tradition.
As for Newsbeat, I suppose the lunchtime edition is scheduled at 12.45-1.00 because they prefer to have the afternoon show start at 1.00 rather than 12.45 (the alternative being to have the morning presenter come back for just 15 minutes), though that obviously didn't bother them in the days of Gary Davies's Bit in the Middle which did start at 12.45. The scheduling of the evening edition then just mirrors the lunchtime edition.
And in these days of cutbacks all over the place, it's hardly likely they would increase the number of the daytime presenters - fewer presenters presenting longer shows means fewer salaries to pay...
Understand the cost element but Radio 2 has Evans, Bruce, Vine, Wright and Mayo, so if they can have 5 daytime presenters why is Radio 1 restricted to 4? It's not fair. Maybe Moyles would still be there if they created a 5th daytime slot for him to fill.
I think Moyles was going to go no matter what, Radio 1 wanted to move him and I don't think he wanted to give up breakfast.
It would be nice to have an extra daytime preseneter but it really is unlikely in the current climate with the cutbacks as someone mentioned.
It feels like Radio 1 are going for the young teen audience more and more now to bring the average age of the listener down. They may achieve this one day but will lose at least a million other listeners in the process. The last figures were the lowest for the station in over 10 years and the overall feel of the station is beginning to change. I just feel it's starting to lose it's credibility a bit as it's so obsessed with the target audience.
Anyone know how long they're doing the summer mix thing? I'm not sure I like having non-stop music for the last hour of the breakfast and drivetime shows. They could at least play some older music, the ones I've heard it's mainly been songs that are on the playlist.
Anyone know how long they're doing the summer mix thing? I'm not sure I like having non-stop music for the last hour of the breakfast and drivetime shows. They could at least play some older music, the ones I've heard it's mainly been songs that are on the playlist.
I think the aim is to cut back on the older tunes, the teens won't know the older stuff anyway and will tune out unless it's recent chart stuff. Features like the Nick's tape, happy mondays and the 10 min take over have been abandoned whilst the summer mix takes over. I have a feeling those features won't return as Radio 1 doesn't want the older listeners 25+ that these features attract by playing older tunes.
My view is they have it badly wrong, increase your listeners by programming what 10 to 24 year olds want to hear which could include some older stuff, I'm sure some teens are aware of the Beatles, Stones, Led Zep, Oasis etc. if this attracts older listeners so be it as long as you are getting plenty of 10-24s tuning in your meeting your remit.
Unfortunately Ben Cooper is a negative radio programmer who see's his remit as ensuring nothing appeals to any one 25+, if this includes not having stuff younger listners would like then so be it as he must stop over 25s listening at all costs. The problem here is it makes Radio 1 a very narrowly focussed station rather than playing all music teens would like they'll only play music only teens like and 25+ will switch off. So Radio 1 is basically telling younger listeners who like older music go away you maybe in our demographic but your love of older music is not cool and may appeal to a 26 year old so try Heart, Absolute, XFM or Radio 2.
Whilst I have heard the odd old track on the Summer Mix, it has been mainly playlist stuff. I like the idea of an hour of uninterrupted music but a few more older tunes wouldn't hurt. I can't remember a year before where I have been so unsatisfied with Radio 1s output but as I'm 29 it must mean Ben Cooper is getting what he wants. Weather he is actually increasing the target audience or not we will have to wait and see. Alienating all older listeners is a bad idea though and we all know it.
Alienating all older listeners is a bad idea though and we all know it.
Well, Radio 1 is supposed to be a youth station but yeah, I think by focusing so much attention on driving the audiance age down they're failing to showcase what truly set's the station apart from it's commercial competitors; a heavier focus on new British music which is still laregly confined to evenings and weekends. Weekday daytime on Radio1 is still laregly percieved, rightly or wrongly, as being almost indistinguishable from the likes of Capital ect. With the station being under attack more than ever before I think they should be highlighting their commitment to new music much more during daytime.
While I have nothing at all against Clara Amfo It seems kinda crazy they didn't give the 10-1 slot to Alice Levine who, IMO, seems to straddle both the mainstream and alternative sides of Radio 1 perfectly.
Well, Radio 1 is supposed to be a youth station but yeah, I think by focusing so much attention on driving the audiance age down they're failing to showcase what truly set's the station apart from it's commercial competitors; a heavier focus on new British music which is still laregly confined to evenings and weekends. Weekday daytime on Radio1 is still laregly percieved, rightly or wrongly, as being almost indistinguishable from the likes of Capital ect. With the station being under attack more than ever before I think they should be highlighting their commitment to new music much more during daytime.
While I have nothing at all against Clara Amfo It seems kinda crazy they didn't give the 10-1 slot to Alice Levine who, IMO, seems to straddle both the mainstream and alternative sides of Radio 1 perfectly.
You've still got the evenings for British new music and specialist stuff, Radio 1 daytimes is focusing on attracting its teenage demographic as it should be, if you're in your 20s you can't really complain you're either too old for Radio 1 (25+) and they don't want you listening or your 20-24 and due to fall out of the demographic in the next few years so not really a target for the station, the teens are rightly the focus for Radio 1 as they are neglected by commercial radio.
Those is there 20/30s have plenty of commercial offerings to suit many musical tastes; Capital, Heart, Absolute, XFM so Radio 1 doesn't really need to pay much attention to them and when you hit 35 Radio 2 is waiting for you with open arms if you want a bit more speech and no commericals. Plus there's 6Music for the muso/festival types.
I know I have a bit of a bee in my bonnet about the guy but I have started to notice that Grimmy is showing signs of his age & for me, as the face of "yoof" radio it is starting to grate. There was an enormous fuss made over the reunion of the Spice girls recently, even though their heyday 19 years ago, before a lot of r1's desired demographic was even born!! :o
ontop of that enthusiastic references to missy Elliott (who is she to a teenager??) & 90s culture heard recently from Grimshaw indicate that the "face of the yoof" simply ain't youthful enough anymore.
I know I have a bit of a bee in my bonnet about the guy but I have started to notice that Grimmy is showing signs of his age & for me, as the face of "yoof" radio it is starting to grate. There was an enormous fuss made over the reunion of the Spice girls recently, even though their heyday 19 years ago, before a lot of r1's desired demographic was even born!! :o
ontop of that enthusiastic references to missy Elliott (who is she to a teenager??) & 90s culture heard recently from Grimshaw indicate that the "face of the yoof" simply ain't youthful enough anymore.
Give him a break he's in his 30s, but I can't see him staying on breakfast as long as Moyles, isn't 3 years about the typical run so is he likely to go soon and give Greg or Alice a turn?
Give him a break he's in his 30s, but I can't see him staying on breakfast as long as Moyles, isn't 3 years about the typical run so is he likely to go soon and give Greg or Alice a turn?
Greg's show probably skews quite old, you can tell his main inspiration is Chris Moyles. Mayor of where is a typical Moyles feature and most teens usually celebrate their ignorance and won't know where any of the places are. Intelligent features like Rage and Nerd Alert are dominated by twenty something's moaning about traffic and domestic problems.
I bet they'd all be much more comfortable aiming at 20s and 30s rather than having to shoehorn mentions of One Direction or the Teen Awards into every show.
Greg's show probably skews quite old, you can tell his main inspiration is Chris Moyles. Mayor of where is a typical Moyles feature and most teens usually celebrate their ignorance and won't know where any of the places are. Intelligent features like Rage and Nerd Alert are dominated by twenty something's moaning about traffic and domestic problems.
I bet they'd all be much more comfortable aiming at 20s and 30s rather than having to shoehorn mentions of One Direction or the Teen Awards into every show.
If they want to broadcast to 20/30 somethings they need to find a different station Heart, Absolute, XFM etc.
Radio 1 is aimed at teens hence recruiting cbbc presenters who will attract the new young listeners they need. Don't forget Grimmy & Annie both had there big breaks on switch aimed at teens.
If they want to broadcast to 20/30 somethings they need to find a different station Heart, Absolute, XFM etc..
They need to find a station that is aimed at 20s and 30s and has speech content that isn't just a 10 second comment about some X Factor gossip out of the Daily Star but allows for 5 minutes between songs to do a feature. Does such a station exist?
Give him a break he's in his 30s, but I can't see him staying on breakfast as long as Moyles, isn't 3 years about the typical run so is he likely to go soon and give Greg or Alice a turn?
When Grimmy covered for Scott on Drvietime a few years ago he was great; much, much better than he is on breakfast. I'd love to see a straight swap between the two of them.
They need to find a station that is aimed at 20s and 30s and has speech content that isn't just a 10 second comment about some X Factor gossip out of the Daily Star but allows for 5 minutes between songs to do a feature. Does such a station exist?
You've obviously only tried Heart or Capital. Absolute and XFM actually have some shows with a bit more speech content amongst the music, with presenters like Frank Skinner, Rob Beckett, Andy Bush, Geoff Lloyd, Sat mornings on XFM and I'd suggest a far more relevant listen for 20/30 somethings than Radio 1's chat which is very teen focused.
You've obviously only tried Heart or Capital. Absolute and XFM actually have some shows with a bit more speech content amongst the music, with presenters like Frank Skinner, Rob Beckett, Andy Bush, Geoff Lloyd, Sat mornings on XFM and I'd suggest a far more relevant listen for 20/30 somethings than Radio 1's chat which is very teen focused.
Those stations aren't available on FM in my car on the way to/from work, so no I haven't tried them. It was based on Capital/Heart plus my local Bauer & UTV owned local station.
You've obviously only tried Heart or Capital. Absolute and XFM actually have some shows with a bit more speech content amongst the music, with presenters like Frank Skinner, Rob Beckett, Andy Bush, Geoff Lloyd, Sat mornings on XFM and I'd suggest a far more relevant listen for 20/30 somethings than Radio 1's chat which is very teen focused.
But as has been mentioned in the Chris Moyles thread XFM is guitar based music. Radio 1 plays all sorts so it's not possible to just make the switch from one to the other if your music taste is broader than that.
An example of cuts and how they've pulled back from non core activity today. They used to do BBC exam helpline and have lots of extra surgery content. None of that anymore.
Isn't radio 1s problem that in order for its presenters to make a name for themselves they have to do 3-4 years in graveyard slots and slowly make their way up to higher profile ones. By that time theyre considered too old for the demographic and struggle to move them on.
How do presenters hone their talent without constantly fearing they are becoming irrelevant?
Fwiw I'm slightly older than their target but think Mills and James are the best "radio" talent they have
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Understand the cost element but Radio 2 has Evans, Bruce, Vine, Wright and Mayo, so if they can have 5 daytime presenters why is Radio 1 restricted to 4? It's not fair. Maybe Moyles would still be there if they created a 5th daytime slot for him to fill.
It would be nice to have an extra daytime preseneter but it really is unlikely in the current climate with the cutbacks as someone mentioned.
It feels like Radio 1 are going for the young teen audience more and more now to bring the average age of the listener down. They may achieve this one day but will lose at least a million other listeners in the process. The last figures were the lowest for the station in over 10 years and the overall feel of the station is beginning to change. I just feel it's starting to lose it's credibility a bit as it's so obsessed with the target audience.
I think the aim is to cut back on the older tunes, the teens won't know the older stuff anyway and will tune out unless it's recent chart stuff. Features like the Nick's tape, happy mondays and the 10 min take over have been abandoned whilst the summer mix takes over. I have a feeling those features won't return as Radio 1 doesn't want the older listeners 25+ that these features attract by playing older tunes.
My view is they have it badly wrong, increase your listeners by programming what 10 to 24 year olds want to hear which could include some older stuff, I'm sure some teens are aware of the Beatles, Stones, Led Zep, Oasis etc. if this attracts older listeners so be it as long as you are getting plenty of 10-24s tuning in your meeting your remit.
Unfortunately Ben Cooper is a negative radio programmer who see's his remit as ensuring nothing appeals to any one 25+, if this includes not having stuff younger listners would like then so be it as he must stop over 25s listening at all costs. The problem here is it makes Radio 1 a very narrowly focussed station rather than playing all music teens would like they'll only play music only teens like and 25+ will switch off. So Radio 1 is basically telling younger listeners who like older music go away you maybe in our demographic but your love of older music is not cool and may appeal to a 26 year old so try Heart, Absolute, XFM or Radio 2.
Well, Radio 1 is supposed to be a youth station but yeah, I think by focusing so much attention on driving the audiance age down they're failing to showcase what truly set's the station apart from it's commercial competitors; a heavier focus on new British music which is still laregly confined to evenings and weekends. Weekday daytime on Radio1 is still laregly percieved, rightly or wrongly, as being almost indistinguishable from the likes of Capital ect. With the station being under attack more than ever before I think they should be highlighting their commitment to new music much more during daytime.
While I have nothing at all against Clara Amfo It seems kinda crazy they didn't give the 10-1 slot to Alice Levine who, IMO, seems to straddle both the mainstream and alternative sides of Radio 1 perfectly.
You've still got the evenings for British new music and specialist stuff, Radio 1 daytimes is focusing on attracting its teenage demographic as it should be, if you're in your 20s you can't really complain you're either too old for Radio 1 (25+) and they don't want you listening or your 20-24 and due to fall out of the demographic in the next few years so not really a target for the station, the teens are rightly the focus for Radio 1 as they are neglected by commercial radio.
Those is there 20/30s have plenty of commercial offerings to suit many musical tastes; Capital, Heart, Absolute, XFM so Radio 1 doesn't really need to pay much attention to them and when you hit 35 Radio 2 is waiting for you with open arms if you want a bit more speech and no commericals. Plus there's 6Music for the muso/festival types.
ontop of that enthusiastic references to missy Elliott (who is she to a teenager??) & 90s culture heard recently from Grimshaw indicate that the "face of the yoof" simply ain't youthful enough anymore.
Give him a break he's in his 30s, but I can't see him staying on breakfast as long as Moyles, isn't 3 years about the typical run so is he likely to go soon and give Greg or Alice a turn?
Greg's show probably skews quite old, you can tell his main inspiration is Chris Moyles. Mayor of where is a typical Moyles feature and most teens usually celebrate their ignorance and won't know where any of the places are. Intelligent features like Rage and Nerd Alert are dominated by twenty something's moaning about traffic and domestic problems.
I bet they'd all be much more comfortable aiming at 20s and 30s rather than having to shoehorn mentions of One Direction or the Teen Awards into every show.
If they want to broadcast to 20/30 somethings they need to find a different station Heart, Absolute, XFM etc.
Radio 1 is aimed at teens hence recruiting cbbc presenters who will attract the new young listeners they need. Don't forget Grimmy & Annie both had there big breaks on switch aimed at teens.
They need to find a station that is aimed at 20s and 30s and has speech content that isn't just a 10 second comment about some X Factor gossip out of the Daily Star but allows for 5 minutes between songs to do a feature. Does such a station exist?
When Grimmy covered for Scott on Drvietime a few years ago he was great; much, much better than he is on breakfast. I'd love to see a straight swap between the two of them.
You've obviously only tried Heart or Capital. Absolute and XFM actually have some shows with a bit more speech content amongst the music, with presenters like Frank Skinner, Rob Beckett, Andy Bush, Geoff Lloyd, Sat mornings on XFM and I'd suggest a far more relevant listen for 20/30 somethings than Radio 1's chat which is very teen focused.
Those stations aren't available on FM in my car on the way to/from work, so no I haven't tried them. It was based on Capital/Heart plus my local Bauer & UTV owned local station.
But as has been mentioned in the Chris Moyles thread XFM is guitar based music. Radio 1 plays all sorts so it's not possible to just make the switch from one to the other if your music taste is broader than that.
In fact in 2008 they did this
http://www.bbc.co.uk/radio1/exams/2008/photos/exam/5.shtml
Look how young Greg looks, and how relatively normal Grimmy used to look back then.
Everybody basically took the piss and next to nobody even passed, even presenters you'd expect to be quite intelligent like Greg and Aled.
How do presenters hone their talent without constantly fearing they are becoming irrelevant?
Fwiw I'm slightly older than their target but think Mills and James are the best "radio" talent they have