I would lean towards voting Conservative because I like low taxes, the villification of scroungers, freedom from the nanny state, champagne and fox-hunting (Not that we got any of that, but they'd be the ones to do it)
In all seriousness (and yes he is a Town Councillor) they represent what I want. Labour don't. Last election I actually read the manifesto's for a change.
Because different people have different needs and different concerns. People choose a party that specifcally target and deals with their needs and concerns the most.
It's such a shame when people are selfish like that.
It's more of a shame when someone makes up a complete falsehood about other voters that suits his or her own viewpoint, passes that as fact and then someone quickly chirps in to agree how awful that made-up fact is.
Most of my peers [geddit? ha] vote Tory because we see the greater good of the country as more important than our own trivial day to day needs.
It's more of a shame when someone makes up a complete falsehood about other voters that suits his or her own viewpoint, passes that as fact and then someone quickly chirps in to agree how awful that made-up fact is.
Most of my peers [geddit? ha] vote Tory because we see the greater good of the country as more important than our own trivial day to day needs.
So what is my view point?
Maybe I should have put experiences rather than needs?
It's more of a shame when someone makes up a complete falsehood about other voters that suits his or her own viewpoint, passes that as fact and then someone quickly chirps in to agree how awful that made-up fact is.
Most of my peers [geddit? ha] vote Tory because we see the greater good of the country as more important than our own trivial day to day needs.
Goodo.
I was just pointing out that it's not necessarily correct to assume self-interest is what drives people's voting decision.
No need to get defensive. I don't really mind how people vote, as long as they have good reasons for doing so.
Most of my peers [geddit? ha] vote Tory because we see the greater good of the country as more important than our own trivial day to day needs.
But your own experiences are shaping that - you see a Conservative government as for 'the greater good of the country', I see it as disastrous, leading to greater division between rich and poor, and more people falling through the net.
I personally would do better under Labour, as I'd probably get back a better paid job in local government like I had in the very early 2000s, I was literally doing a job that really didn't need doing, and I wasn't the only one who felt this.
Having said all that, and despite their support for this government, I'm seriously considering switching to Lib Dem, to keep their representation up so that neither party has a chance to govern on their own for the forseeable future.
A majority Tory government would be sooooo much worse than what we have now, and people need to see that.
Miliband and Balls lack credibility and I'd be very wary of trusting them with anything.
Lib Dems like Cable and Stunnell and even non-ministers like John Leech and Tim Farron seem to me like a sensible break on either party making a complete mess again for a while.
Most of my peers [geddit? ha] vote Tory because we see the greater good of the country as more important than our own trivial day to day needs.
That sums up my reasoning for being a conservative voter.
The tories seem to care more about the country as a buisness and provider of oppounities for anyone who wants to try.
Labour seem the opposite, running the country like a public service and giving everything to those who don't want to try.
I respect those who try to better themselves and there are greater opportunities with conservatives. Rather than the 'it's okay we will take care of you' labour ideals.
I say this as a working class man brought up with nothing but a labour council and a labour government.
I do agree that the current conservatives are trying to be too middle of the road at the moment. I'd respect them more if they stuck to their ideologies and showed the strength of the late Margaret Thatcher.
The tories seem to care more about the country as a buisness and provider of oppounities for anyone who wants to try.
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Can you give examples?
Only I do not see them doing anything that gives people who want to try, more opportunities.
Ok, they are cutting benefits and charging people for spare rooms (therefore punishing people they deem not to be trying)but as someone who works hard, studies hard and takes nothing out of the system and has paid taxes since leaving college, I would like to know what opportunities i can thank the Tories for since they headed the coalition?
Only I do not see them doing anything that gives people who want to try, more opportunities.
Ok, they are cutting benefits and charging people for spare rooms (therefore punishing people they deem not to be trying)but as someone who works hard, studies hard and takes nothing out of the system and has paid taxes since leaving college, I would like to know what opportunities i can thank the Tories for since they headed the coalition?
If you're looking for policies that throw money at you then no the conservatives won't give you that. I've had to work for every penny i have since leaving university too.
However conservative ideology is to support people who want to try such as in starting their own business:
-Lowering NI contributions and removing them completely for the first £2000.
-Reducing cooperation tax to one of the lowest levels in the developed world.
-The government money made available to banks for small to medium business loans.
One of the biggest ever tory ideas was the right to buy your own council house. This gave people the opportunities which still resonates around the country now.
These are the type of policies i support, giving people the opportunities to make their lot better with hard work.
The weird thing is i have never been on the receiving end of these policies yet i support them.
We have the bigger picture too, of the economy. The tories are trying to sort out 13 years of waste and overspend with countless millions of pointless jobs created from public money.
You may see it all as pain and horribleness right now, but in ten years time you may realise that this dose of bad medicine stopped the country from hitting the bottom of the barrel.
You can't borrow your way out of debt, you just have to cut your cloth to fit.
We have the bigger picture too, of the economy. The tories are trying to sort out 13 years of waste and overspend with countless millions of pointless jobs created from public money.
You may see it all as pain and horribleness right now, but in ten years time you may realise that this dose of bad medicine stopped the country from hitting the bottom of the barrel.
You can't borrow your way out of debt, you just have to cut your cloth to fit.
I think a lot of people's opinion of the Thatcher years are coloured by the first half of the 1980's when for many people it was dreadful - but by the end of it the benefits started coming through.
I do wonder what would have happened if the Tories had won in 1997. Unemployment had been going down - had it continued at the same rate then it is likely that unemployment would have got down to the levels in May 1979
However conservative ideology is to support people who want to try such as in starting their own business:
-Lowering NI contributions and removing them completely for the first £2000.
-Reducing cooperation tax to one of the lowest levels in the developed world.
-The government money made available to banks for small to medium business loans.
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If the banks are not willing to lend money to new businesses (and lets face it they will not lend to anyone now) how can you set one up?
The best thing any party could do was force the banks into lending.
Those gits have had the country to ransome for years.
Whoever is in power needs to grow some balls, stop buggaring about with benefits and charging for spare rooms and start with the root of the problem, the banks yielding too much power.
All imho of course.
The problem also is that there will always be poor people.... we need poor people for society to operate.
We need bin men and care assistants and people who mop up mess in hospitals. Everyone benefits form these low paid jobs. It seems Tory ideology is all about business and wealth generating but without the poor people doing the menial jobs, we would be in a bit of a mess.
If the banks are not willing to lend money to new businesses (and lets face it they will not lend to anyone now) how can you set one up?
The best thing any party could do was force the banks into lending.
Those gits have had the country to ransome for years.
Whoever is in power needs to grow some balls, stop buggaring about with benefits and charging for spare rooms and start with the root of the problem, the banks yielding too much power.
All imho of course.
The problem also is that there will always be poor people.... we need poor people for society to operate.
We need bin men and care assistants and people who mop up mess in hospitals. Everyone benefits form these low paid jobs. It seems Tory ideology is all about business and wealth generating but without the poor people doing the menial jobs, we would be in a bit of a mess.
I think the ideology is that if you help people to create businesses then the 'poor' will automatically be taken care of, as there will be jobs for them in these businesses - I know it's not as simple as that but that's how I understand the ideology anyway!
The problem also is that there will always be poor people.... we need poor people for society to operate.
We need bin men and care assistants and people who mop up mess in hospitals. Everyone benefits form these low paid jobs. It seems Tory ideology is all about business and wealth generating but without the poor people doing the menial jobs, we would be in a bit of a mess.
We do indeed need people to do menial jobs. I don't see why these people should be necessarily poor though. I've always found it fundamentally unfair that people prepared to do unpleasant menial jobs are so poorly rewarded.
In know its basically down to supply and demand market forces but I think this should be addressed by more tax cuts for people doing low paid (but essential) jobs and more tax increases for those lucky enough to be in highly paid jobs.
The Tories policies seemed designed to keep the rich rich and the poor poor which is the reason I'd never vote for them.
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Alas, yes. Just my personal experience.
In all seriousness (and yes he is a Town Councillor) they represent what I want. Labour don't. Last election I actually read the manifesto's for a change.
Most of my peers [geddit? ha] vote Tory because we see the greater good of the country as more important than our own trivial day to day needs.
I think the crteria of "repllent" may be include anyone who does not agree that all disabled people should get more free money,
Well I have always believed that people can do best when they do it themselves, communities are better when they get together.
So in that sense smaller government.
So what is my view point?
Maybe I should have put experiences rather than needs?
Goodo.
I was just pointing out that it's not necessarily correct to assume self-interest is what drives people's voting decision.
No need to get defensive. I don't really mind how people vote, as long as they have good reasons for doing so.
Start your own would be my advice.
But your own experiences are shaping that - you see a Conservative government as for 'the greater good of the country', I see it as disastrous, leading to greater division between rich and poor, and more people falling through the net.
I personally would do better under Labour, as I'd probably get back a better paid job in local government like I had in the very early 2000s, I was literally doing a job that really didn't need doing, and I wasn't the only one who felt this.
Having said all that, and despite their support for this government, I'm seriously considering switching to Lib Dem, to keep their representation up so that neither party has a chance to govern on their own for the forseeable future.
A majority Tory government would be sooooo much worse than what we have now, and people need to see that.
Miliband and Balls lack credibility and I'd be very wary of trusting them with anything.
Lib Dems like Cable and Stunnell and even non-ministers like John Leech and Tim Farron seem to me like a sensible break on either party making a complete mess again for a while.
The tories seem to care more about the country as a buisness and provider of oppounities for anyone who wants to try.
Labour seem the opposite, running the country like a public service and giving everything to those who don't want to try.
I respect those who try to better themselves and there are greater opportunities with conservatives. Rather than the 'it's okay we will take care of you' labour ideals.
I say this as a working class man brought up with nothing but a labour council and a labour government.
I do agree that the current conservatives are trying to be too middle of the road at the moment. I'd respect them more if they stuck to their ideologies and showed the strength of the late Margaret Thatcher.
Bollix. I'm not rich nor upper class but I will NEVER vote for Labour. Could be interested in UKIP next time though.
Can you give examples?
Only I do not see them doing anything that gives people who want to try, more opportunities.
Ok, they are cutting benefits and charging people for spare rooms (therefore punishing people they deem not to be trying)but as someone who works hard, studies hard and takes nothing out of the system and has paid taxes since leaving college, I would like to know what opportunities i can thank the Tories for since they headed the coalition?
At least working for Deet kept them off benefits.
But they only get one vote each.
Not enough to win any elections:o
Nice enough lad......just a bit oddly misguided.
Nor am I, although I cannot vote for the cons or labour I still have to live by their policies
If you're looking for policies that throw money at you then no the conservatives won't give you that. I've had to work for every penny i have since leaving university too.
However conservative ideology is to support people who want to try such as in starting their own business:
-Lowering NI contributions and removing them completely for the first £2000.
-Reducing cooperation tax to one of the lowest levels in the developed world.
-The government money made available to banks for small to medium business loans.
One of the biggest ever tory ideas was the right to buy your own council house. This gave people the opportunities which still resonates around the country now.
These are the type of policies i support, giving people the opportunities to make their lot better with hard work.
The weird thing is i have never been on the receiving end of these policies yet i support them.
We have the bigger picture too, of the economy. The tories are trying to sort out 13 years of waste and overspend with countless millions of pointless jobs created from public money.
You may see it all as pain and horribleness right now, but in ten years time you may realise that this dose of bad medicine stopped the country from hitting the bottom of the barrel.
You can't borrow your way out of debt, you just have to cut your cloth to fit.
I think a lot of people's opinion of the Thatcher years are coloured by the first half of the 1980's when for many people it was dreadful - but by the end of it the benefits started coming through.
I do wonder what would have happened if the Tories had won in 1997. Unemployment had been going down - had it continued at the same rate then it is likely that unemployment would have got down to the levels in May 1979
The best thing any party could do was force the banks into lending.
Those gits have had the country to ransome for years.
Whoever is in power needs to grow some balls, stop buggaring about with benefits and charging for spare rooms and start with the root of the problem, the banks yielding too much power.
All imho of course.
The problem also is that there will always be poor people.... we need poor people for society to operate.
We need bin men and care assistants and people who mop up mess in hospitals. Everyone benefits form these low paid jobs. It seems Tory ideology is all about business and wealth generating but without the poor people doing the menial jobs, we would be in a bit of a mess.
We do indeed need people to do menial jobs. I don't see why these people should be necessarily poor though. I've always found it fundamentally unfair that people prepared to do unpleasant menial jobs are so poorly rewarded.
In know its basically down to supply and demand market forces but I think this should be addressed by more tax cuts for people doing low paid (but essential) jobs and more tax increases for those lucky enough to be in highly paid jobs.
The Tories policies seemed designed to keep the rich rich and the poor poor which is the reason I'd never vote for them.