Mentally ill and devoutly Islamic, now that is a very scary combination. I suspect it was just a matter of time before he came off the rails. Thankfully nobody has died, and it wasn't a planned or larger scale attack on the general population.
i love how you link this with islam. what part of "mentally sick" don't you understand?
i love how you link this with islam. what part of "mentally sick" don't you understand?
I don't quite understand what your saying there, but I'm not saying being Islamic is an indication of mental illness, which you seem to be trying to imply I said. However, being devoutly religious while also mentally ill is a scary combination, wouldn't you agree?
I don't quite understand what your saying there, but I'm not saying being Islamic is an indication of mental illness, which you seem to be trying to imply I said. However, being devoutly religious while also mentally ill is a scary combination, wouldn't you agree?
no i don't agree. religion actually helps mentally sick people.
Seems the irish debate is spilling into other threads now But to remain on topic when i first heard about this before i realised the
attacker was of somalian decent i fully expected it to be some EDL type nutter who commited this crime
Must be a big disappointment for you then:rolleyes:
no i don't agree. religion actually helps mentally sick people.
If you think it helps mentally ill people to believe there are supernatural beings speaking to them and giving them instructions, then you're obviously extremely biased in your opinion, or very naive. A mentally ill man driven by religious fever has the capacity to commit the most horrific and murderous acts.
I don't quite understand what your saying there, but I'm not saying being Islamic is an indication of mental illness, which you seem to be trying to imply I said. However, being devoutly religious while also mentally ill is a scary combination, wouldn't you agree?
I for one would not agree.
A sufferer of mental illness is only dangerous depending upon they type of illness they suffer from. Whether or not they hold strong Athiest views, strong religious views, or neutral views, if it is the particular illness which encourages aggression the chance of danger will always be equal.
The point of those suffering mental incapacity and then committing crimes is that they lack the capacity to reason whether a reaction is appropriate. There is no logic to it. Those type of people will always have a button and it can be pressed regardless of their spiritual beliefs.
I don't quite understand what your saying there, but I'm not saying being Islamic is an indication of mental illness, which you seem to be trying to imply I said. However, being devoutly religious while also mentally ill is a scary combination, wouldn't you agree?
No I don't agree. Some mentally unwell people find their religion helps them through the troubles they are enduring.
If you think it helps mentally ill people to believe there are supernatural beings speaking to them and giving them instructions, then you're obviously extremely biased in your opinion, or very naive. A mentally ill man driven by religious fever has the capacity to commit the most horrific and murderous acts.
People as you described get voices in their head telling to to do things no matter whether or not they believe in a deity, that is their illness. So the same is true for that man who isn't "driven by religious fever".
People as you described get voices in their head telling to to do things no matter whether or not they believe in a deity, that is their illness. So the same is true for that man who isn't "driven by religious fever".
If that is your belief then fine, but there are people who take comfort in their beliefs. That needs to be respected. Like I choose to respect that you believe there is no god.
If that is your belief then fine, but there are people who take comfort in their beliefs. That needs to be respected. Like I choose to respect that you believe there is no god.
When someone carries out an attack like last nights how can you say that his religion was comforting to him ?
People as you described get voices in their head telling to to do things no matter whether or not they believe in a deity, that is their illness. So the same is true for that man who isn't "driven by religious fever".
You are correct that non-religious folk can hear voices too, but belief in supernatural creatures with magic powers, who give instructions (some of which are horrendously barbaric), surely can't help someone who is already prone to mental illness? Surely they are at risk of taking the superstitious holy books literally?
When someone carries out an attack like last nights how can you say that his religion was comforting to him ?
I'm sure his god is very proud of him
We cannot make the assumption that his attack was about religion/a hate attack. The police don't believe that it was.
I could go to church one day whilst being in the midst of a mentally ill crisis telling me to do it to others. Doesn't mean it was a religious based attack but because of mental health being at crisis point.
Also I didn't say anything about God being proud, so why mention it?!
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i love how you link this with islam. what part of "mentally sick" don't you understand?
I don't quite understand what your saying there, but I'm not saying being Islamic is an indication of mental illness, which you seem to be trying to imply I said. However, being devoutly religious while also mentally ill is a scary combination, wouldn't you agree?
no i don't agree. religion actually helps mentally sick people.
Must be a big disappointment for you then:rolleyes:
If you think it helps mentally ill people to believe there are supernatural beings speaking to them and giving them instructions, then you're obviously extremely biased in your opinion, or very naive. A mentally ill man driven by religious fever has the capacity to commit the most horrific and murderous acts.
Having an imaginary friend helps the mentally ill
I for one would not agree.
A sufferer of mental illness is only dangerous depending upon they type of illness they suffer from. Whether or not they hold strong Athiest views, strong religious views, or neutral views, if it is the particular illness which encourages aggression the chance of danger will always be equal.
The point of those suffering mental incapacity and then committing crimes is that they lack the capacity to reason whether a reaction is appropriate. There is no logic to it. Those type of people will always have a button and it can be pressed regardless of their spiritual beliefs.
I doubt the promise of awaiting virgins is of much help.
People as you described get voices in their head telling to to do things no matter whether or not they believe in a deity, that is their illness. So the same is true for that man who isn't "driven by religious fever".
There is no god fact !
If that is your belief then fine, but there are people who take comfort in their beliefs. That needs to be respected. Like I choose to respect that you believe there is no god.
When someone carries out an attack like last nights how can you say that his religion was comforting to him ?
I'm sure his god is very proud of him
that's right
You are correct that non-religious folk can hear voices too, but belief in supernatural creatures with magic powers, who give instructions (some of which are horrendously barbaric), surely can't help someone who is already prone to mental illness? Surely they are at risk of taking the superstitious holy books literally?
I could go to church one day whilst being in the midst of a mentally ill crisis telling me to do it to others. Doesn't mean it was a religious based attack but because of mental health being at crisis point.
Also I didn't say anything about God being proud, so why mention it?!
Indeed. Some people would do well to remember that.
Or helps reinforce their delusions preventing them from dealing with reality.
The part of Birmingham where it happened is very rough and there is Somali/Pakistani tensions.
you don't have any evidence to support your theory do you ?
There have been reports from eyewitnesses that it bizarrely started over an argument regarding the better praying technique.
Sadly Somalia is not a civilised country, but I dont think all of them hack each other to bits.
I have noticed...they are very inward people. Rarely mix out of their own circles.