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Inside Llewyn Davis; Seen it yet?

biscuitfactorybiscuitfactory Posts: 29,392
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Have any of you seen the latest Coen brothers film yet?

Worth seeing?

I've loved most Coen bros films I've seen, my faves being "O Brother.." "Raising Arizona" and "Barton Fink"

Will a Coen bros fan like me enjoy this film, bearing in mind I thought "The Ladykillers" and "True Grit" were a couple of stinkers?
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    LMLM Posts: 63,633
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    I thought it was incredible. Oscar Issac, Carey Mulligan and John Goodman were all brilliant. It felt very real. Nothing needed to happen, it was all about the dialogue. It has a stunning soundtrack as well.
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    anyonefortennisanyonefortennis Posts: 111,858
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    Have any of you seen the latest Coen brothers film yet?

    Worth seeing?

    I've loved most Coen bros films I've seen, my faves being "O Brother.." "Raising Arizona" and "Barton Fink"

    Will a Coen bros fan like me enjoy this film, bearing in mind I thought "The Ladykillers" and "True Grit" were a couple of stinkers?

    It was ok. Not as amazing as everyone is making it out to be. Not one of the Coens finest IMO.
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    InkblotInkblot Posts: 26,889
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    Maybe not a typical Coens plot but packed with beautifully-written dialogue and fascinating, even grotesque characters. Visually it's beautifully-realised, the locations are great, even the weather's well done.

    Llewyn Davis himself is one of the less attractive central characters of modern cinema but Oscar Isaac is excellent in the role, as are the rest of the cast (and cat).

    I suspect that this film will be more viewed more warmly in the future, as a fine character study and a smarter evocation of a lost era than, say, American Hustle, which is a much more superficial work.
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    Mystical123Mystical123 Posts: 15,828
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    I saw it on its UK premiere at the London Film Festival last year and adored it. I agree with Inkblot, it's a fascinating character study, and though it's bleak it's not unwatchably so, and in my opinion is all the better for not being flashy and superficial (though I did like American Hustle a lot as well, so I don't mind that type of movie either). And Oscar Isaac and the cat are both excellent, as are the supporting cast.

    I'm saddened it hasn't had more awards season recognition, it was my favourite of the movies I saw last year.
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    biscuitfactorybiscuitfactory Posts: 29,392
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    Thanks for your replies, everyone.

    I love visually stylish films and films that evoke an era - "Oh Brother, Where Art Thou" was such a film.

    I think I will enjoy this.
    And it's got a cat in it...bonus for a mad cat woman like me :)
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    Johnny ClayJohnny Clay Posts: 5,333
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    Hmm. Something of a disappointment. First thoughts:

    It's not that the central character is unlikeable, he's just not interestingly unlikeable. Too self-absorbed and ungiving, much like the film itself.

    Often with the Coens there's a teasing ambiguity of intent, but played off against an intricately schematic plot. But this just ambles along in a strangely aimless way. You get the snapshot of time quality, but ultimately it's just not telling us much.

    It's finely acted and lensed of course, but its meticulous construct nature hampers the music: a too studied, brushed-up impersonation with no real twang of authenticity. Music for a modern coffee shop rather than an old one, if you like.

    Further viewings could reveal more of course, but that always works best when your eager to return, and I can't say I am with this. Oh well.
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    InkblotInkblot Posts: 26,889
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    Different strokes etc, but I thought the music was just right. I remember thinking "you don't have to clap, it's a film", when I really enjoyed one of the songs. Llewyn's choice of songs isn't really coffee-shop music, it's music that reflects his depressed outlook, his inability to relate to others even when they're his audience. Bit of a spoiler:
    One of the key scenes is where Llewyn auditions for a big shot club-owner/manager and he chooses a really downbeat, depressing song about Jane Seymour dying after giving birth. How could he think that would be a good move?
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    Johnny ClayJohnny Clay Posts: 5,333
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    ^ True, but again, it's the music repeating much of what we're already aware of about Llewyn.

    I suppose that's the point, but coming from the Coens it underlines the comparative lack of breadth. It was all just a little too insular for my liking.
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    ihatemarmiteihatemarmite Posts: 5,605
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    Enjoyed it and the frames are still vivid, so think it's one to revisit, like Burn After Reading, which I thought uh? the first time I saw it, but subsequently loved.
    I grew up around folk music and people who took it/themselves way too seriously, so really liked the gentle fun poked at them.
    Loved the cat - and the jumpers :-D
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    TCD1975TCD1975 Posts: 3,039
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    Saw it a couple of nights ago.

    It doesn't stand out to me as one of the Coen's best films but I'm almost certain that it's a film that will reward repeat viewings.
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    Trsvis_BickleTrsvis_Bickle Posts: 9,202
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    Hmm. Something of a disappointment. First thoughts:

    It's not that the central character is unlikeable, he's just not interestingly unlikeable. Too self-absorbed and ungiving, much like the film itself.

    Often with the Coens there's a teasing ambiguity of intent, but played off against an intricately schematic plot. But this just ambles along in a strangely aimless way. You get the snapshot of time quality, but ultimately it's just not telling us much.

    It's finely acted and lensed of course, but its meticulous construct nature hampers the music: a too studied, brushed-up impersonation with no real twang of authenticity. Music for a modern coffee shop rather than an old one, if you like.

    Further viewings could reveal more of course, but that always works best when your eager to return, and I can't say I am with this. Oh well.

    Mmm, I saw it yesterday and I pretty much agree with you.

    I'm a big fan of the Coens but Inside Llewyn Davis was something of a tedious film. It's obvious early on that it's going to be a character-driven piece but after about an hour I was tempted to leave becase it was clear that the rest of the film was going to be just be more of the same - and so it proved.

    The film generates mood and feeling brilliantly. Other than the songs sung by the protagonists, there is no soundtrack so those emotions are generated solely by the acting and cinematography. It taps effectively into enduring American themes of rootlessness and travel. There are scenes of existential melancholy with characters sitting in coffee shops and cars and diners, like figures in a Hopper painting.

    I'm not that interested in music so the use of it didn't do much for me but I could see that the film was trying to make a point about the value of art and its commercialisation. The film has the usual Coen trademark of bizarre dialogue from grotesque-looking characters. I sometimes wonder whether the Coen brothers are actually some kind of charitable project to provide work for all the ugly actors in the US.:D

    I'm glad I didn't leave during the film because it did make me think. You learn that his former singing partner has died and you wonder whether it's actually Davis who has died and is in purgatory, wandering through this chillingly cold, icy landscape where the wind howls and there is only fleeting comfort from being indoors. Incidentally, when John Goodman's character says that Davis' partner should have thrown himself from the Brooklyn, rather than the George Washington, bridge did anyone else notice the picture of the Brooklyn bridge on the wall in one of the flats where Davis stays?

    It's one of those rare films that probably benefits from being seen again almost immediately but, as you say, I can't bring myself to.:blush:
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    Trsvis_BickleTrsvis_Bickle Posts: 9,202
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    Inkblot wrote: »
    Different strokes etc, but I thought the music was just right. I remember thinking "you don't have to clap, it's a film", when I really enjoyed one of the songs. Llewyn's choice of songs isn't really coffee-shop music, it's music that reflects his depressed outlook, his inability to relate to others even when they're his audience.

    Ha ha! I know exactly which one you're referring to.:D
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    stripedcatstripedcat Posts: 6,689
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    Have any of you seen the latest Coen brothers film yet?

    Worth seeing?

    I've loved most Coen bros films I've seen, my faves being "O Brother.." "Raising Arizona" and "Barton Fink"

    Will a Coen bros fan like me enjoy this film, bearing in mind I thought "The Ladykillers" and "True Grit" were a couple of stinkers?

    Yeah - the Coen Brothers' work does tend to be quite hit-and-miss. I like things like Barton Fink, No Country For Old Men, True Grit but, things like Fargo and Intolerable Cruelty I can't stand!.

    It does look like this film whilst it looks quirky, it probably won't be for me.
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    Trsvis_BickleTrsvis_Bickle Posts: 9,202
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    stripedcat wrote: »
    Yeah - the Coen Brothers' work does tend to be quite hit-and-miss. I like things like Barton Fink, No Country For Old Men, True Grit but, things like Fargo and Intolerable Cruelty I can't stand!.

    It does look like this film whilst it looks quirky, it probably won't be for me.

    Yeah, it does. They tend to be either character-driven or have ingenious plots. I've really liked The Big Lebowski, Miller's Crossing, No Country for old Men, Fargo and True Grit.
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    ihatemarmiteihatemarmite Posts: 5,605
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    Fargo is one of my favourite films. The ones I didn't like of the Coen Brothers' films are The Man who Wasn't There and Ladykillers. Thought the latter was truly spectacularly awful, possibly because I love the original.
    I really liked True Grit, Lebowski and my favourite is O Brother (the music is amazing too, which helps).
    They may have a few misses, but thank God for the Coens.
    I'm still thinking about L Davis. Def a slow burner. I started laughing at the lyrics of the opening track - gratuitously depressive lyrics always crack me up.
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    TCD1975TCD1975 Posts: 3,039
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    So some people think that they're films tend to be hit or miss ... but when people list the films they consider a hit or a miss there's rarely any agreement.

    Personally, I like all of their films to varying degrees. They have some fantastic hits, and no misses.

    I'd put Inside Llewyn Davis somewhere in the middle ...

    The Man Who Wasn't There
    Fargo
    Burn After Reading
    A Serious Man
    No Country for Old Men
    The Big Lebowski
    The Hudsucker Proxy
    Inside Llewyn Davis
    Miller's Crossing
    Raising Arizona
    True Grit
    Blood Simple
    Barton Fink
    O Brother, Where Art Thou?
    Intolerable Cruelt
    The Ladykillers
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    TCD1975TCD1975 Posts: 3,039
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    Double post
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    Trsvis_BickleTrsvis_Bickle Posts: 9,202
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    Fargo is one of my favourite films. The ones I didn't like of the Coen Brothers' films are The Man who Wasn't There and Ladykillers. Thought the latter was truly spectacularly awful, possibly because I love the original.
    I really liked True Grit, Lebowski and my favourite is O Brother (the music is amazing too, which helps).
    They may have a few misses, but thank God for the Coens.
    I'm still thinking about L Davis. Def a slow burner. I started laughing at the lyrics of the opening track - gratuitously depressive lyrics always crack me up.

    Yeah, I couldn't get on with The Man Who Wasn't There and I really don't know why. Thornton, Gandolfini - what's not to like? I haven't seen The Ladykillers because I'm pretty sure it wouldn't be as good as the original and I'm not that fond of Tom Hanks.
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    nvellanvella Posts: 697
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    Enjoyed it and the frames are still vivid, so think it's one to revisit, like Burn After Reading, which I thought uh? the first time I saw it, but subsequently loved.
    I grew up around folk music and people who took it/themselves way too seriously, so really liked the gentle fun poked at

    I loved it but I was also around the folk clubs in the 60s and thought it was so evocative. Loved the soundtrack too and thought Oscar Isaac was brilliant
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    TCD1975TCD1975 Posts: 3,039
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    Watched it for the second time tonight. I enjoyed it the first time I saw it but it, knowing what tone to expect, it grew on me with the second viewing. I'd now rate it an 8/10 and bump it up a couple of places in the order of my favourite Coen brother films ...


    The Man Who Wasn't There
    Fargo
    Burn After Reading
    A Serious Man
    No Country for Old Men
    Inside Llewyn Davis
    The Big Lebowski
    The Hudsucker Proxy
    Miller's Crossing
    Raising Arizona
    True Grit
    Blood Simple
    Barton Fink
    O Brother, Where Art Thou?
    Intolerable Cruelty
    The Ladykillers
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    I thought it was great, a little slow in the beginning but when i look at the movie as a whole i thought it was really interesting. Lots of subtle hints and themes throughout, definitely worth another watch for me.

    Maybe not for people who like a lot of action in their movies, but i found it a great little story on folk music during that period which im sure wasnt dissimilar to many aspiring musicians who diddnt quite make it.

    A great story about a nearlyman, someone with talent but cant breakthrough to the mainstream, which im sure many people throughout history will feel has happened to them.
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    Pob-BundyPob-Bundy Posts: 1,321
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    I've been a fan of the Coens for a long time but I don't really have much interest in seeing this film yet. It may be because of the folk thing, not that big on it except for Dylan or the brilliant lateJohn Martyn. Naturally they've changed over time which isn't a bad thing, but I do feel that they are deviating too far away from their strengths. Also not to go off topic, but I was disapointed to read that they had a big falling out with Terry Zwigoff regarding the casting of Tony Cox in Bad Santa as he was perfect in that film.
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    Johnny ClayJohnny Clay Posts: 5,333
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    I'm glad I didn't leave during the film because it did make me think. You learn that his former singing partner has died and you wonder whether it's actually Davis who has died and is in purgatory, wandering through this chillingly cold, icy landscape where the wind howls and there is only fleeting comfort from being indoors. Incidentally, when John Goodman's character says that Davis' partner should have thrown himself from the Brooklyn, rather than the George Washington, bridge did anyone else notice the picture of the Brooklyn bridge on the wall in one of the flats where Davis stays?
    Life/Death hover throughout (the fate of the cat/the abortion etc), and he later auditions as if dealing with the Devil. But these things are never allowed to amount to all that much - the plot (or lack of) doesn't allow it. As your post and others prove - it's not an empty exercise in style, more a static one of substance going to waste.

    Again, that might be the point, but I think I prefer the Coens with a narrative on the boil, not simmering on a low gas.
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    RAZORBACKRAZORBACK Posts: 371
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    Saw this last weekend and despite being a fan of the Coen brothers I found watching it to be a slightly disappointing experience.

    I think having such a dislikeable central character was the biggest hurdle I couldn't get over but not enjoying any of the songs (excluding 'Please Mr. Kennedy') probably didn't help either.

    Although it was by no means a terrible film it really didn't live up to the hype so 7/10 feels like a fair & appropriate score...
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    InkblotInkblot Posts: 26,889
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    RAZORBACK wrote: »
    it really didn't live up to the hype

    It hasn't really been hyped, has it? If anything it's one of the most undersold films to be released recently.
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