Rangers CVA rejected by HMRC

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  • OvalteenieOvalteenie Posts: 24,169
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    roland rat wrote: »
    Green to sell rangers to walter smith for £10 m, and it wouldnt surprise me if this happens

    Wouldn't be surprised either.

    Green is a vulture looking to make personal gain out of the situation.
  • bhoy07bhoy07 Posts: 25,036
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    roland rat wrote: »
    Green to sell rangers to walter smith for £10 m, and it wouldnt surprise me if this happens

    Has Walter found the warchest key after all this time?
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 14,920
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    So Rangers have gone under through being owned by a chancer/series of chancers. Now they've been bought on the cheap by a chancer. Correct? Who let that happen? Again.
  • ShaunIOWShaunIOW Posts: 11,303
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    grps3 wrote: »
    the reality is you all think we are making a new club..like gretna did, or buying over a club like airdrie did .....nope

    we are moving the club to new parent company much like what leeds/ milddlesbourgh/charlton did....did all those club lose their history ...no

    it would be unprecedented for a situation like rangers for a club to lose its history

    public opinion doesn't come into it ,
    while you are correct in saying mud sticks...it doesn't matter
    we can maintain you throwing mud at wrong place , and look sad and pathetic in doing so

    newco =newco+oldco football history
    oldco- = tarnished tax dodgers with bad rep

    there is 54 reasons why you want newco to have no history

    Leeds, Middlesbrough and Charlton weren't iquidated and reformed, if they had been they would also have had to start again in non-league like Aldershot and Maidstone etc had to, then they would have lost their history.
  • steven walkingsteven walking Posts: 439
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    Rangers will not rejoin the SPL and Sky will end its deal with the SFA.

    Murray and Whyte are the two biggest penis faced freaks ever to have run a club into the ground, i say to them that they better get their lies straight before the cops come a calling.
  • TouristaTourista Posts: 14,338
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    As an outsider in this, I dont understand the certainty that "Rangers" (or any club reconstituted from the present club) will automatically lose its place in the SPL.

    If such "sanctions" were automatic, then why hasnt the SFA done this?.

    What is the SFA saying about this, as surely they must make up their minds soon, as the new season is only a few weeks away?...
  • timboytimboy Posts: 30,094
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    grps3 wrote: »
    no one will get away with anything

    I hope you are correct.
    grps3 wrote: »
    whyte will be chased for tax
    murray and possibly players/staff chased for ebt money
    titles will be striped if indeed proved to won by use of illegal contracts

    Fingers crossed.
    grps3 wrote: »
    new co will then have no debt , and all the titles they are entitled to , and no amount of bitterness can change that fact

    New Co = New Company = New Club = New History

    You've got 0 titles.
    grps3 wrote: »
    so while you will keep reminding me of your bitterness and failure to accept fact, i will remind of you fact .

    No bitterness here unless you want me to keep reminding you of what cheats Rangers are.
    grps3 wrote: »
    THE rangers FC are going to be a reality , so away and throw you jelly and ice cream away , because its becoming clear your party is over

    The party is still on, we are now the most successful team in Scotland. 43 v 0.

    http://cdn.c.photoshelter.com/img-get/I0000eqcO55poqXg/s/650/KR-GERS-V-UNITED22.jpg
    Tourista wrote: »
    If such "sanctions" were automatic, then why hasnt the SFA done this?.

    The SFA don't have the power to do that.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 2,784
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    :eek: no more old firm games :eek: These were the highlight of Scottish football. what are we to do without Rangers and Celtic shouting sectarian abuse at each other. It's a sad time for Scottish football :( but what goes around comes around
  • Cantona07Cantona07 Posts: 56,910
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    Tourista wrote: »
    As an outsider in this, I dont understand the certainty that "Rangers" (or any club reconstituted from the present club) will automatically lose its place in the SPL.

    If such "sanctions" were automatic, then why hasnt the SFA done this?.

    What is the SFA saying about this, as surely they must make up their minds soon, as the new season is only a few weeks away?...

    Effectively no one has lost its place in the SPL.

    Glasgow Rangers FC used to play in the SPL but they no longer exist due to chronic mismanagement and financial wrongdoing.

    That means the SPL is a club short for next season.

    The question is does it let in the next in line from the SFL or does it let the newly formed The Rangers FC walk straight into the league in place of Glasgow Rangers.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 199
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    Sky won't be cancelling anything. They'll renegotiate the deal, but theres no way they'll let another broadcaster show something they've already got their paws on. They know they've the SPL over a barrel anyway - STV can't afford to pay to show games, neither can the BBC, and ESPN is in a fragile position following the loss of PL matches.

    Theres no disgrace in cutting ones cloth to suit should the TV deal be renegotiated. If anything the clubs have had four months already to prepare for that.
  • roland ratroland rat Posts: 13,829
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    :eek: no more old firm games :eek: These were the highlight of Scottish football. what are we to do without Rangers and Celtic shouting sectarian abuse at each other. It's a sad time for Scottish football :( but what goes around comes around

    Not really, the two clubs could set up a cup compettion, just between them selfs, so rangers and celtic playout 5 games, 2 at ibrox, and 2 at parkhead, the other game at hampden park...winner get the old firm trophy, and a tv deal will be secured
  • Cantona07Cantona07 Posts: 56,910
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    roland rat wrote: »
    Not really, the two clubs could set up a cup compettion, just between them selfs, so rangers and celtic playout 5 games, 2 at ibrox, and 2 at parkhead, the other game at hampden park...winner get the old firm trophy, and a tv deal will be secured

    That would be ridiculous, given the standard of player Rangers would have compared to Celtic if Rangers were in Div 3.
  • bhoy07bhoy07 Posts: 25,036
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    Sky won't be cancelling anything. They'll renegotiate the deal, but theres no way they'll let another broadcaster show something they've already got their paws on. They know they've the SPL over a barrel anyway - STV can't afford to pay to show games, neither can the BBC, and ESPN is in a fragile position following the loss of PL matches.

    Theres no disgrace in cutting ones cloth to suit should the TV deal be renegotiated. If anything the clubs have had four months already to prepare for that.

    The new deal is still unsigned.
    Cantona07 wrote: »
    That would be ridiculous, given the standard of player Rangers would have compared to Celtic if Rangers were in Div 3.

    In order for the games to be competitive we'll be playing with 5 men and they'll have their usual 15.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 122
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    Cantona07 wrote: »
    No it doesn't seem fair at all. Ask Gretna or Livingston or Airdrieonians.

    Very different Livingston were in the SFL the second time they went in to Admin. As all the three lower leagues are run by the SFL they can state to put a team to the lower league or not.

    Dundee were also a SFL team so they have to take santuction via the SFL rules.

    Gretna had been relegated from the SPL to the SFL and couldn't guarantee they could be in business to meet there fixtures the following season.

    Remember the SPL have no power to put a team to the 3rd SFL league and that is a separate entity.

    As a Rangers fan yes we need punished but i also see the £160,000 fine as punishment already been taken on our club also we had the 10 points deducted as the rules of the SPL. What other sanctions can the SFA put on us well how about Banning us from there Competition for a season or two.

    Then again i cant see the main sponsor of the said comp being too happy.

    Remember with no Rangers in the SPL its not just the cut or no TV revenue that's going to hurt other clubs, Its been said that even as far a shirt sponsor and match sponsor can be hit.
  • Cantona07Cantona07 Posts: 56,910
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    DaddyKev wrote: »

    Remember the SPL have no power to put a team to the 3rd SFL league and that is a separate entity.

    As a Rangers fan yes we need punished but i also see the £160,000 fine as punishment already been taken on our club also we had the 10 points deducted as the rules of the SPL. What other sanctions can the SFA put on us well how about Banning us from there Competition for a season or two.

    Then again i cant see the main sponsor of the said comp being too happy.

    Remember with no Rangers in the SPL its not just the cut or no TV revenue that's going to hurt other clubs, Its been said that even as far a shirt sponsor and match sponsor can be hit.

    It doesn't matter. This utter shite peddled by Rangers fans is really starting to get on my thrupenny bits.

    £160k fine and 10 point deduction is punishment enough? Maybe miss a wee cup competition? You'd accept that? Bloody right you would! You don't seem to understand the seriousness of what your club have done at all.

    I KNOW the other clubs had different circumstances but it is an ILLUSTRATION of what happens to clubs or at least should happen to them as a result of such gross mismanagement.

    Rangers are dead. Gone. Finished. THE Rangers stand in the wings but why should they be allowed to walk back into the SPL while good honest decent folk are awaiting payment of debt that they will never receive? Why should THE Rangers sit in the SPL playing at Ibrox in the same Blue shirts while all the people they have shat on just sit back and say "ach well, its ok, they're a Scottish Institution so they can f*** us in the arse for 20 years and its fine". How much will THE Rangers be paying their players in the SPL if they are allowed back in while the company who made David Weirs farewell trophy still await payment for it?

    The Rangers fans who genuinely seem to think this is fine beggars belief and they are either burying their head in the sand or displaying such breathtaking arrogance that they are oblivious to it all.

    As for the TV money that shouldn't be a consideration. It will be but it shouldn't. It doesn't negate what Rangers have done so the punishment should be based on the crime not what the cost of the punishment is. There are a lot of people who will lose interest in Scottish Football if Rangers are invited back and there are a lot of companies who offer Scottish Clubs credit as things stand who will be pulling the ladder up if they see Rangers graphically illustrate that you really don't need to pay your bills.
  • anotherlongersanotherlongers Posts: 1,792
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    Well said, mate. However, we all know in our hearts that Rangers will get off with it, will be playing in the SPL next season and probably back in europe within a year, all paid for by the the British Taxpayer. It's a disgrace.
  • TombstoneTombstone Posts: 2,578
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    Well said, mate. However, we all know in our hearts that Rangers will get off with it, will be playing in the SPL next season and probably back in europe within a year, all paid for by the the British Taxpayer. It's a disgrace.


    Isn't Westminster handing over more tax raising powers to Scotland this year?

    Surely to celebrate this momentous occasion, the Jocks wouldn't mind Salmond putting a couple of pence on Income Tax to help out the boys in Blue? This will of course help to unite the country and enhance the feeling of Scottish Nationhood.

    Just a thought like. :)
  • bhoy07bhoy07 Posts: 25,036
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    It appears The Rangers will have to accept responsibility for the outcome of the dual contracts investigation before a vote is made on The Rangers FC being accepted into the SPL.
  • Everything GoesEverything Goes Posts: 12,972
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    If Rangers to have to start again the Division 3 then it will be good news for clubs in Diversion 3 as their match attendances will rocket. A lot of them will get recognition that they have never had. Rangers will eventually get back to the SPL in a few years
  • timboytimboy Posts: 30,094
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    If Rangers to have to start again the Division 3 then it will be good news for clubs in Diversion 3 as their match attendances will rocket.

    As will the bill for stewarding and policing.

    What we also need to remember is that in all likelyhood 'Rangers' will get promoted 3 years in a row so will be denying another club the chance of promotion and the prize money and additional income that comes along with that.
  • 10000maniacs10000maniacs Posts: 831
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    Every match in the last 15 years where they fielded a player who was evading tax should be treated as a 1:0 defeat, and once the points are re-calculated on that basis, every title or cup that they now don't have the points or wins to claim should be stripped and given to the runner up.
  • Big Boy BarryBig Boy Barry Posts: 35,290
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    The EvoStik league could always use another team.
  • walterwhitewalterwhite Posts: 56,554
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    If Rangers to have to start again the Division 3 then it will be good news for clubs in Diversion 3 as their match attendances will rocket. A lot of them will get recognition that they have never had. Rangers will eventually get back to the SPL in a few years

    Depends how big their grounds are. Plus the prospect of several thousand Rangers fans turning up in their tiny town won't fill many with joy.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 14,920
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    Ginger Nut wrote: »
    If "new" Rangers were forced to start in the bottom Scottish league could we see them attempting to get into the English Prem or Championship instead? It seems mad but it's been touted before for the big two to abandon the scottish league.

    And yes I'm aware it's a ridiculous notion.

    Well, apparently being ridiculous really is no barrier for them. Albeit they're aiming lower down the league.
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