Changes as of 10:30 this morning - a couple of new LCNs have appeared on G_MAN, LCN 128 Tiny Pop+1 and LCN 50 mov4men+1. No new video/audio streams so maybe these will be time shared which would be a first for G_MAN IIRC.
I thought Pop and Chartshow had been time sharing since they launched a while ago.
I've not seen them time-share in the way that other channels do on other muxes by dropping to an MHEG slate while off air. On G_MAN the off air message is still in the video stream.
Whether the data rates are changed while the off-air message is in video I don't know, I've not looked at the data rates on G_MAN for a long time, so maybe they timeshare the bandwidth that way, but the video doesn't completely vanish.
Greebo - I don;t suppose you'd be able to provide an up to date picture on the number of video streams on the mux and how they are being timeshared for CSC channels?
Greebo - I don;t suppose you'd be able to provide an up to date picture on the number of video streams on the mux and how they are being timeshared for CSC channels?
I haven't time to look at how bandwidth is shared, but here's a pidscan of the current situation:
dvbsnoop V1.4.50 -- http://dvbsnoop.sourceforge.net/
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Transponder PID-Scan...
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PID found: 0 (0x0000) [SECTION: Program Association Table (PAT)]
PID found: 16 (0x0010) [SECTION: Network Information Table (NIT) - actual network]
PID found: 17 (0x0011) [SECTION: Service Description Table (SDT) - other transport stream]
PID found: 18 (0x0012) [SECTION: Event Information Table (EIT) - other transport stream, present/following]
PID found: 20 (0x0014) [SECTION: Time Date Table (TDT)]
PID found: 256 (0x0100) [PS/PES: ITU-T Rec. H.262 | ISO/IEC 13818-2 or ISO/IEC 11172-2 video stream]
PID found: 257 (0x0101) [PS/PES: ISO/IEC 13818-3 or ISO/IEC 11172-3 audio stream]
PID found: 258 (0x0102) [PS/PES: ITU-T Rec. H.262 | ISO/IEC 13818-2 or ISO/IEC 11172-2 video stream]
PID found: 259 (0x0103) [PS/PES: ISO/IEC 13818-3 or ISO/IEC 11172-3 audio stream]
PID found: 264 (0x0108) [SECTION: Program Map Table (PMT)]
PID found: 1795 (0x0703) [SECTION: Program Map Table (PMT)]
PID found: 2308 (0x0904) [PS/PES: ITU-T Rec. H.262 | ISO/IEC 13818-2 or ISO/IEC 11172-2 video stream]
PID found: 2309 (0x0905) [PS/PES: ISO/IEC 13818-3 or ISO/IEC 11172-3 audio stream]
PID found: 2329 (0x0919) [SECTION: Program Map Table (PMT)]
PID found: 2833 (0x0b11) [SECTION: Program Map Table (PMT)]
PID found: 3451 (0x0d7b) [SECTION: Program Map Table (PMT)]
PID found: 3884 (0x0f2c) [PS/PES: ITU-T Rec. H.262 | ISO/IEC 13818-2 or ISO/IEC 11172-2 video stream]
PID found: 3885 (0x0f2d) [PS/PES: ISO/IEC 13818-3 or ISO/IEC 11172-3 audio stream]
PID found: 3968 (0x0f80) [SECTION: Program Map Table (PMT)]
PID found: 4096 (0x1000) [SECTION: Program Map Table (PMT)]
PID found: 4602 (0x11fa) [PS/PES: ITU-T Rec. H.262 | ISO/IEC 13818-2 or ISO/IEC 11172-2 video stream]
PID found: 4603 (0x11fb) [PS/PES: ISO/IEC 13818-3 or ISO/IEC 11172-3 audio stream]
PID found: 4899 (0x1323) [PS/PES: ITU-T Rec. H.262 | ISO/IEC 13818-2 or ISO/IEC 11172-2 video stream]
PID found: 4900 (0x1324) [PS/PES: ISO/IEC 13818-3 or ISO/IEC 11172-3 audio stream]
PID found: 5507 (0x1583) [PS/PES: ITU-T Rec. H.262 | ISO/IEC 13818-2 or ISO/IEC 11172-2 video stream]
PID found: 5508 (0x1584) [PS/PES: ISO/IEC 13818-3 or ISO/IEC 11172-3 audio stream]
PID found: 5997 (0x176d) [PS/PES: ITU-T Rec. H.262 | ISO/IEC 13818-2 or ISO/IEC 11172-2 video stream]
PID found: 5998 (0x176e) [PS/PES: ISO/IEC 13818-3 or ISO/IEC 11172-3 audio stream]
PID found: 8191 (0x1fff) [stuffing]
I don't know how many viewers this multiplex has but I have never met anyone who knows what I'm talking about if I mention it. The response to That's Manchester is only slightly better, it went off the air for several days and no one noticed according to a516.
I like a516's blog, but that story is unnecessarily sensationalist.
Clearly people did notice it was off-air, and the article itself even says so once you get past the headline.
If there's an off-air caption then Comux (who do the monitoring) and/or That's TV are also aware it's off-air.
I don't know how many viewers this multiplex has but I have never met anyone who knows what I'm talking about if I mention it. The response to That's Manchester is only slightly better, it went off the air for several days and no one noticed according to a516.
Clubland TV appeared on G_MAN today - LCN 89 and name this morning around 10:30am, then a 7th pair of video and audio PIDs started around 1pm - I presume these are for Clubland TV though I'm not there at the moment to confirm.
Clubland TV appeared on G_MAN today - LCN 89 and name this morning around 10:30am, then a 7th pair of video and audio PIDs started around 1pm - I presume these are for Clubland TV though I'm not there at the moment to confirm.
Clubland is now broadcasting in Manchester - a welcome addition if you're into dance music like me. Shame Heart & Capital went though.
As discovered by anthony david - and discussed in a thread in the Freeview forum, it has been confirmed there is a new transmitter array for G_MAN now in use. Strength and signal quality are now very similar to L_MAN. I would expect the coverage area is significantly improved and pretty close to what was predicted in the original Ofcom documents. There'll be a few people finding some extra channels next time they retune, or on new TVs bought for Christmas or in the sales.
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So there are now 7 services listed for G_MAN.
(correction - 7 services, not 8)
I thought Pop and Chartshow had been time sharing since they launched a while ago.
I've not seen them time-share in the way that other channels do on other muxes by dropping to an MHEG slate while off air. On G_MAN the off air message is still in the video stream.
Whether the data rates are changed while the off-air message is in video I don't know, I've not looked at the data rates on G_MAN for a long time, so maybe they timeshare the bandwidth that way, but the video doesn't completely vanish.
https://ukfree.tv/transmitters/tv/Winter_Hill/PGSTART1360/irt787942#b787942
I discovered this when I was setting up a new receiver and couldn't get this mux to tune. Anyone know who to contact to get this fixed?
I think these people still run it, you could try emailing them.
http://canismedia.co.uk/television-media/local-tv-services/
True Movies 1 has been added as a new stream on LCN 82, same LCN as it had previously on the network of local muxes.
Chart Show TV has moved to LCN 85 (was 60)
POP+1 has moved to LCN 128 (was 127)
Tiny Pop+1 has moved to LCN 129 (was 128)
Capital TV remains on LCN 56
Heart TV remains on LCN 54
ShowBizTV remains on LCN 80
mov4men+1 remains on LCN 50
I haven't time to look at how bandwidth is shared, but here's a pidscan of the current situation:
Capital TV removed from LCN 56
Heart TV removed on LCN 54
True Movies 1 has moved to LCN 74 (was 82)
Chart Show TV has moved to LCN 75 (was 85)
Curiously this licence turned up today: Heart Summer
Presumably linked to Heart TV on satellite being rebadged as Heart Summer from this week (as per Sky weekly thread...)
Ah, yes, it's a rename of the licence. Probably nothing interesting, then.
Obviously somebody did notice, or it wouldn't be known that it was off-air for several days.
This is the original story, presumably the service isn't monitored by Arqiva.
http://www.a516digital.com/2016/06/local-tv-channel-off-air-for-days-no.html
I like a516's blog, but that story is unnecessarily sensationalist.
Clearly people did notice it was off-air, and the article itself even says so once you get past the headline.
If there's an off-air caption then Comux (who do the monitoring) and/or That's TV are also aware it's off-air.
At these times the channel makes no mention of these issues in their regular postings on Facebook and Twitter.
The whole That's family of channels is already being watched by OFCOM due to programme content and technical quality.
In the case of That's Manchester - to say nobody noticed may be wrong - perhaps it could be more a case of who cares?
Clubland is now broadcasting in Manchester - a welcome addition if you're into dance music like me. Shame Heart & Capital went though.