A bad day for dna.

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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2113025/Teenager-wrongly-accused-rape-DNA-contamination-released-prison.html

I know it is a DM item, but the Manchester Evening News would not copy & paste for me?.

If this can happen I feel that it is going to become a useless tool.
ps, ds keeps freezing and I ment to add a bit more to this.

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  • irishguyirishguy Posts: 22,172
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    You can't blame the science for one labs cock up. To manage to contaminate evidence from a completely unrelated case with someones DNA is pretty incompetent.
  • spotyspoty Posts: 11,195
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    irishguy wrote: »
    You can't blame the science for one labs cock up. To manage to contaminate evidence from a completely unrelated case with someones DNA is pretty incompetent.

    No, but now we know any evidence could be tainted.
  • Keiō LineKeiō Line Posts: 12,979
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    spoty wrote: »
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2113025/Teenager-wrongly-accused-rape-DNA-contamination-released-prison.html

    I know it is a DM item, but the Manchester Evening News would not copy & paste for me?.

    If this can happen I feel that it is going to become a useless tool.
    ps, ds keeps freezing and I ment to add a bit more to this.
    the important thing is it doesn't.


    it happens on the Barry George case, where one particle of ballistic discharge lead to him being convicted of the murder of Jill Dando. In the appeal it was demonstrated how easy the particle may have been the result of cross contimination.

    Juries latch onto forensics becuase they they want firm 100% evidence, unfortunetly it is not that easy.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 778
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    spoty wrote: »
    No, but now we know any evidence could be tainted.

    possibly. PROBS unlikely.

    Speaking as as a person whos grtx3 aunt was done (wrongly if newspapers are to be believed) of murder back in the day.

    If we get one wrongun we get one wrongun.
  • irishguyirishguy Posts: 22,172
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    spoty wrote: »
    No, but now we know any evidence could be tainted.

    But theres always been that risk of contamination with DNA evidence. And its usually something that defense lawyers claim in court. Its all about assessing the probabilities and considering other evidence.
  • Keiō LineKeiō Line Posts: 12,979
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    spoty wrote: »
    No, but now we know any evidence could be tainted.

    We knew that before.

    It is not just contamination that needs to be considered.

    One doctor was arrested for rape. The case was clear cut, the woman named him, and forensic evidence showed his DNA was inside her and on her knickers. Strangely he denied having sex (usually rapists claim it was consensual }. Later the woman admitted going through his bin finding a used condom, and planting the evidence on herself

    if the police had not dug deeper, the guy could easily have ended up in prison with everyone saying "he was clearly guilty, 100% end of!"
  • Bedsit BobBedsit Bob Posts: 24,344
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    Shouldn't his 3 months on remand, be deducted from his sentence for the affray?
  • skp20040skp20040 Posts: 66,874
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    spoty wrote: »
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2113025/Teenager-wrongly-accused-rape-DNA-contamination-released-prison.html

    I know it is a DM item, but the Manchester Evening News would not copy & paste for me?.

    If this can happen I feel that it is going to become a useless tool.
    ps, ds keeps freezing and I ment to add a bit more to this.

    Any evidence could be contaminated if not handled correctly , we just have to trust that usually it is not and in defence counsel .
  • zx50zx50 Posts: 91,269
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    If the procedure is done extremely carefully, DNA can be very precise. I still wouldn't want my DNA on any database though.
  • spotyspoty Posts: 11,195
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    Keiō Line wrote: »
    the important thing is it doesn't.


    it happens on the Barry George case, where one particle of ballistic discharge lead to him being convicted of the murder of Jill Dando. In the appeal it was demonstrated how easy the particle may have been the result of cross contimination.

    Juries latch onto forensics becuase they they want firm 100% evidence, unfortunetly it is not that easy.

    Yes, I think at the time 60% of the population were not convinced it was him so I suppose it has always been questioned .

    I am sorry if my answers will be slow, but my curser keeps sticking and I have to log off to start again?
  • be more pacificbe more pacific Posts: 19,061
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    spoty wrote: »
    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2113025/Teenager-wrongly-accused-rape-DNA-contamination-released-prison.html

    I know it is a DM item, but the Manchester Evening News would not copy & paste for me?.

    If this can happen I feel that it is going to become a useless tool.

    ps, ds keeps freezing and I ment to add a bit more to this.
    Talk about throwing out the baby with the bathwater! Just because something isn't 100% effective, that doesn't automatically render it 0% effective.
  • irishguyirishguy Posts: 22,172
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    zx50 wrote: »
    If the procedure is done extremely carefully, DNA can be very precise. I still wouldn't want my DNA on any database though.


    Its precision really isn't in doubt. It can identify an individuals DNA with a probability of only about 1 in a billion chance of it being wrong, Its contamination thats always been the problem.... The PCR technique in DNA typing can mean even a single cell can identify someone... so even a hair cell shed onto a coat when passing someone on a street and then taken into a house can be ID'd. Doesn't mean they were ever in the house or anywhere near a crime scene.
  • spotyspoty Posts: 11,195
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    Talk about throwing out the baby with the bathwater! Just because something isn't 100% effective, that doesn't automatically render it 0% effective.

    Perhaps I should have added "as evidence" Still a bad day for it though.

    If one tube next to another can give out false results what bs are we beeing fed? Perhaps their 16 million? [whatever] chance in one should be curved?
  • 555555 Posts: 4,458
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    Procedures will be changed. The situation will be better avoided in the future. Life will continue.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 5,304
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    irishguy wrote: »
    You can't blame the science for one labs cock up.
    I blame Viagra.
  • TheSilentFezTheSilentFez Posts: 11,103
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    I thought this thread was going to be something about the solar storm damaging our DNA. Now I'm disappointed. :(
  • DinkyDoobieDinkyDoobie Posts: 17,786
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    Bad day for dna?... you should see my pants.
  • spotyspoty Posts: 11,195
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    555 wrote: »
    Procedures will be changed. The situation will be better avoided in the future. Life will continue.

    I never said life would come to a stand still, just pointing out that dna can be a load of crap, backed up by lies and statistics.

    But hay just laugh, untill in happens to someone you know.:p
  • Regis MagnaeRegis Magnae Posts: 6,810
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    I am curious, did the police not bother to check any alibi he may have given and did the rape victim confirm his identity?
  • spotyspoty Posts: 11,195
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    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-512980/DNA-farce-My-nightmare-white-man-charged-hunt-black-rapist.html

    Well it didn't work for this guy, even though the woman had said she was attacked by a black guy?

    Dna should be a back up for guilt or innocence, not a mind reader that knows they 'must' have done it.
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