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  • molliepopsmolliepops Posts: 26,828
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    You would need to ask them I have no insight into their minds sorry.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 25,366
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    84,160 this is growing quickly

    It is - I just hope people know why they're signing it.
  • HenryGartenHenryGarten Posts: 24,800
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    molliepops wrote: »
    You would need to ask them I have no insight into their minds sorry.

    Your main reason is that you think your GP is a sort of demi god. Why not trust the medical profession in general rather than just one person?
  • HenryGartenHenryGarten Posts: 24,800
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    85,560 now.
  • molliepopsmolliepops Posts: 26,828
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    Your main reason is that you think your GP is a sort of demi god. Why not trust the medical profession in general rather than just one person?

    He is no demi god I just trust him on health care he hasn't let his patients down yet. That's not to say I have always agreed with him far from it but if we cannot trust our health care professionals then who can we trust.
  • HenryGartenHenryGarten Posts: 24,800
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    molliepops wrote: »
    He is no demi god I just trust him on health care he hasn't let his patients down yet. That's not to say I have always agreed with him far from it but if we cannot trust our health care professionals then who can we trust.

    Well you are choosing to distrust the majority of them in their attitude to these proposed NHS reforms.
  • molliepopsmolliepops Posts: 26,828
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    I'm choosing to trust someone who I know and has been right before, he has far more understanding about what the NHS needs than me. And I may add I have no idea what your expertise is so why would I follow what you believe is right ?
  • flagpoleflagpole Posts: 44,641
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    jafsie wrote: »

    i think you have bastardised the petition. it doesn't mention the privatisation of the health service at all.
  • HenryGartenHenryGarten Posts: 24,800
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    86,930 now (it was 83,031 at 3pm)
  • Alt-F4Alt-F4 Posts: 10,960
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    86,930 now (it was 83,031 at 3pm)

    Wow that's really interesting
  • 555555 Posts: 4,458
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    Are they privatising the NHS?
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 460
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    That is a lot of signatures. 88,761 at the time of posting this.

    When was the petition started?
  • molliepopsmolliepops Posts: 26,828
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    555 wrote: »
    Are they privatising the NHS?
    Not from how I understand the proposals it's scaremongering imo
  • What name??What name?? Posts: 26,623
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    I think some of you should post the address for the petition in a few more sites if you are members of others. The NHS is worth protecting.
  • HenryGartenHenryGarten Posts: 24,800
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    I think some of you should post the address for the petition in a few more sites if you are members of others. The NHS is worth protecting.

    This is one occasion it is worth e-mailing it to friends.
  • Pisces CloudPisces Cloud Posts: 30,239
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    Signed. I think there's also a Facebook and Twitter link for anyone who wants to share to others.
  • What name??What name?? Posts: 26,623
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    kellan_x wrote: »
    That is a lot of signatures. 88,761 at the time of posting this.

    When was the petition started?

    No idea but over 90,000 now.
  • HenryGartenHenryGarten Posts: 24,800
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    91,636 less than 9,000 to go.
  • AneechikAneechik Posts: 20,208
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    The NHS isn't being privatised, so getting to 100,000 signatures is pretty meaningless.

    However, an objective Parliamentary debate on future privatisation and the well-documented success of the private systems in all comparable European countries in comparison to the NHS would be quite welcome.
  • QofShebaQofSheba Posts: 43,330
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    Signed.

    Andrew Langsley has a vested interest in two of the private companies who are bidding for contracts. According to Pivate Eye parts of the NHS have already been privatised.
  • PretinamaPretinama Posts: 6,069
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    Wow. That'll work.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 8,044
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    molliepops wrote: »
    I wouldn't pretend to understand the structures in the NHS I just know we need to make some changes soon or it will collapse in some areas and anything that could bring more money in to fund it has to be applauded.

    this bill will take money away from services to fund the changes

    a whole layer of administrators and management will be made redundant get redundancy pay and then because someone will need to do they job the same people will be redeployed under a different name

    Offices in hospitals wont be needed BUT these administrators will need to work from somewhere and current GP surgeries wont be big enough so more money will be lost building offices for the admin staff to work from

    Incidentally GPs will not be able to do so much work as they will have more admin duties and so more GPs will be needed again wasting money

    I would far rather my GP do the job they trained for rather than having control of a vast budget
  • HenryGartenHenryGarten Posts: 24,800
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    98,857 getting very close.
  • peter3hgpeter3hg Posts: 3,176
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    shefair wrote: »
    this bill will take money away from services to fund the changes

    a whole layer of administrators and management will be made redundant get redundancy pay and then because someone will need to do they job the same people will be redeployed under a different name

    Offices in hospitals wont be needed BUT these administrators will need to work from somewhere and current GP surgeries wont be big enough so more money will be lost building offices for the admin staff to work from

    Incidentally GPs will not be able to do so much work as they will have more admin duties and so more GPs will be needed again wasting money

    I would far rather my GP do the job they trained for rather than having control of a vast budget

    The admin and management won't be made redundant, they will simply be TUPE'd over to the CCGs. The GPs in reality will have minimal involvement, they may make some overarching decisions but the day to day commissioning work will be carried out by the same people that currently do it.
    Personally I think the CCGs shouldn't ever progress beyond a shadow "advisory" role and the PCT clusters that have come into existence should become the new solution. Theoretically these should be cheaper to run than the old PCTs but still local enough to deal with local healthcare issues.
  • HenryGartenHenryGarten Posts: 24,800
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    100,893 wow. Success.

    Clearly an awful lot of people do not like this bill.
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