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reasons to stay in europe.?
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On a daily basis UKIP will tell us reasons to leave Europe but rarely do the other parties give good or enough reasons to stay in.
For instance we constantly here UKIP want to control our borders. What is the counter argument.
UKIP want to control cheap labour. What is the counter argument.
Come on pro europe lot stand up to the plate and give us overwhelming reasons to stay in Europe.
For instance we constantly here UKIP want to control our borders. What is the counter argument.
UKIP want to control cheap labour. What is the counter argument.
Come on pro europe lot stand up to the plate and give us overwhelming reasons to stay in Europe.
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Oh, 454g jars of honey; and 1.4 litre containers of Lenor.
Yes - but given the high external tariff barriers you do tend to tie yourself to trading within the slowest growing economy on the planet. If you were able to extend your trade deals to whatever countries and regions that suited the export capabilities of the UK then over all it is very debatable that you would not see a net benefit.
It really is a stark warning that the reasons for staying in europe are drying up.
Start a thread saying what are the benefits of leaving europe it will be swamped!!
For a party that people keep saying will never get any MPs or have influence UKIP seem to be attracting a lot of attention , its almost as if the full force of the faceless unelected EU bureaucrats is being towards UKIP
I don't think there's much choice to be honest.
It's a true measure of the Nationalist and the Protectionist.
Suppose it's good for him, he can ring his Luthuanian nanny and ask how Antonio, Miguel and Alberto are doing
What high external tariff barriers would you expect we could negotiate to have removed on our own?
We don't want the millions of Brits currently allowed to live in the EU come flooding back.
I'm neutral on whether or not the UK stays in the EU, but I'll give what I think are the standard counter arguments to the two parts in bold anyway.
1) Control over borders works both ways. If the UK pulls out of the EU and stops freedom of movement for EU citizens into the UK, then the rest of the EU* will do the same back, thereby limiting the freedom of British people to live and work abroad.
2) UKIP's only plan for controlling cheap labour is to limit cheap immigrant labour from EU countries. In other ways their policies would strip workers of their rights and worsen the position of those at the low wage, low skilled end of the labour market.
*Except the Republic of Ireland which has a separate Common Travel Area with the UK which pre-dates the EU and would presumably still exist if the British decided to pull out of Europe.
"no don't do it". that's about it.
The case for Staying within the EU has been woeful.
they don't see about the EU funding on Various projects around the UK Like here in wales. It enabled houses to actually have indoor bathrooms. The run down areas of the country Westminster don't even think about making life a little more bearable for the people living there.
The Road improvement schemes we see all over the UK its not just central government money.
Key issues of concern should have been raised at the summit in 2011. Owing to the influx of polish people a special fund should have created coming into force this year that would have given money back to local councils to ease pressure on homes/ Schools/surgeries
I know. But many Britons have still benefited from the new rules allowing them to live and work in Germany, France, Spain, etc. That benefit will no longer exist if the UK pulls out of the EU.
Of course, its entirely up to yourselves to decide whether you want to keep that benefit or not.
Well we could sign agreements to remove excessive tariff barriers that increase the cost of agriculture products to UK consumers (some items have rates over 100%) - a good way of tackling the cost of living crisis I am sure you will agree.
I beg your pardon?
We only trade with EU countries? Which countries on the planet do we not trade with, pray?
Doesn't seemed to have hurt Germany - still the world's largest exporter by value.
I'm glad the OP opened this thread. It's about time the nonsense peddled by the 'phobes was exposed. Our lack of export success is down to our lack of exporters with products and services the world wants. Nothing to do with the EU.
It's likely that new rules would not affect people retroactively so people from Romania now living in Britain and British people scouring Romanian streets for gold can remain where they are. Only people wishing to move from Romania to Britain and vice versa after a withdrawal will need to go through the same processes that say someone wanting to move to Australia from Britain would need to do.
Its not just Romania its every EU country bar Ireland. And I wouldn't be so sure about it not being applied retroactively either - if a person's legal status in France or wherever is based on EU citizenship and then their country withdraws from the EU I would think they would then have to apply for a visa to stay in the country.
Except to say to the OP I keep reading the title to the tune of Ian Dury's
"Reasons to be cheerful".
Which is not what I said.
What I did say was that having high tariff barriers does tend to restrict your trade - feel free to disagree.
Of course having an currency undervalued by around 30% doesnt help does it?
talking of peddling nonsense - where is that roll eyes smiley when you need it?
Anyway, how is the 3 million jobs claim coming along?
reasons for staying in the EU - the common market.... but that is offset by the Commonwealth, and the potential for Britain to trade unhindered by the (current) extraordinarily high tariff rates for dealing with the likes of Australia, New Zealand, Canada, China and India and the BRICs countries - the reason the common market exists is to facilitate cheap trade WITHIN Europe, not outside.
it's actually to the detriment of any EU country who wishes to trade outside the EU, you have to pay a lot more to trade with non-EU nations than you with EU nations, so what would happen when Britain leaves, and is free to set up a free trade agreement with all Commonwealth nations??
the potential for that market is huge compared to the EU's common market, so why are we limiting our own capability to trade on our own terms with anyone we want to, by being stuck in the EU? makes no sense to me.... which is why I'll probably vote for UKIP
We'll see if all those multinationals upon whom we rely so heavily, agree. ;-)
http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/may/07/left-progressive-euroscepticism-eu-ills