On "A British ISIS terrorist beheads an American journalist" and what to do, Theresa May's new domestic proposals are reasonable. I can support them all. I've also thought about the way the west has been arming groups abroad for so long and how now rightly it has concerns about further arming, not that it rules it out. In this day and age, would it not be possible to attach a computerised device to all weapons that can only be activated or reactivated from a central western point? In that way, they could be made dysfunctional as soon as they fell into the wrong hands.
In Britain, I think far too much time is given in the media - and probably society - to vocal British citizens telling everyone about their Muslim faith. To be frank, I feel much the same when people talk constantly about their sexuality. One feels like saying to them "that's fine but tell me about all the other interesting things in your life".
All these UK Muslims. Faith is one thing. But I'd be more interested in hearing which country their family had its origins in, how they feel about the idea of that country, good or bad, how close they feel to it, or how distant, what they are proud of in their family's geographical roots, and even what the broad culture and geography are like. In most cases, it isn't even clear what parts of the world are in their roots and it is as if they dismiss them. To get them focussed on that more harnesses them to family and the rest of us who would find such things more interesting.
they convince you the planet is over crowded when really it is not just to de-populate when really they just don't want to share wealth.
So the Jews want to depopulate the planet and in effect reduce the number of people they can sell things to for over-inflated prices and don't want to share their wealth.
I don't think you've got the greedy Jew schtick down quite yet.
Oh, you are over here now, running away from the sneaky Jew.
Just to clarify, your opening is obviously addressed to John Truther and not to me in my post immediately above it. I haven't been writing about the Rothschilds or Jewish people in this context at all and have no bias against them.
Just to clarify, your opening is obviously addressed to John Truther and not to me in my post immediately above it. I haven't been writing about the Rothschilds or Jewish people in this context at all and have no bias against them.
That's fine. I once attended a splendid Jewish wedding in North London where the bride was swung around on a chair about an inch above my head. Sadly, though, it wasn't the Rothschilds.
I wish DS had a like button. Anyway, my tuppence halfpenny: The foul Sun and Mirror had front page pics of an imminent beheading which, in my opinion, was uncalled for. We all know the gist, so why publish such upsetting crap for starters? Oh yes, greedy sensationalist journalism - I cannot abide journos by the by, not saying they deserve to be beheaded, but their greed and ethics sometimes beggars belief - I have dealt with them.. They don't venture into dangerous locations for their craft. They risk devastating their families through greed. But that is just my opinion of course.
I wish DS had a like button. Anyway, my tuppence halfpenny: The foul Sun and Mirror had front page pics of an imminent beheading which, in my opinion, was uncalled for. We all know the gist, so why publish such upsetting crap for starters? Oh yes, greedy sensationalist journalism - I cannot abide journos by the by, not saying they deserve to be beheaded, but their greed and ethics sometimes beggars belief - I have dealt with them.. They don't venture into dangerous locations for their craft. They risk devastating their families through greed. But that is just my opinion of course.
Because ordinary folk need to realise and fully understand just how much of a nasty place the world really is! its not full of roses you know? things like this happen all the time in the world and will always happen.
But just like with UKIP, a lot of the racists join them and don't hold back with their racism, esp on twitter when they think they are talking to like minded people! Even when they know aren't talking to racists, in my experiences, they can't understand why people don't share their racist views!
They are indeed racists but only because you say so....:(
Yes, I thought that, but if they had their 'state' who would they have to bomb and slaughter?
Oh they'd find someone, make no mistake. African nations, India, South East Asia, Britain, they'd find someone, they always have, starting with the birth of Islam.
Oh they'd find someone, make no mistake. African nations, India, South East Asia, Britain, they'd find someone, they always have, starting with the birth of Islam.
They will continue to kill each other, as they have done for years.
I suggest , if we are serious about stopping ISIS, we destroy the source of ISIS' funding.
That is only partly true. America has been helping ISIS and similar groups who fought Assad in Syria. That was a big mistake! Nobody now however is financing ISIS. They stole huge amounts of money from the Iraqi banks, they have access to oil fields and they managed to get their hands on the Iraqi army's waepons provided by the U.S government. So now, ISIS have everything: money, weapons and most importantly, they have hundreds of thousand potential followers who are ready to join them and die for the ideology. I am afraid that little we can do to fight them, because when someone is ready to die just to destroy other people, it's hard to fight that. Plus, we have to observe human rights while they do not. It turns out Assad was right about them all along and the Russians too.
I can see your problem. You need everything to be prescribed. Everything defined and backed up by legislation. You don't know what empathy means, you don't know what the sense of belonging means.
It is typical of the far left socialist approach. What a sad world you want to live in.
Wait a minute.
You have accepted there can be no objective definition of 'Britishness' - and yet you say I want such a concept legislated for.
How can it be legislated for, if we both accept that there can be no objective definition?
And why do I want to live in a sad world ?
My sense of belonging to this land is probably different to your seemingly narrow jingoistic one - why is yours "better" than my take?
That is only partly true. America has been helping ISIS and similar groups who fought Assad in Syria. That was a big mistake! Nobody now however is financing ISIS. They stole huge amounts of money from the Iraqi banks, they have access to oil fields and they managed to get their hands on the Iraqi army's waepons provided by the U.S government. So now, ISIS have everything: money, weapons and most importantly, they have hundreds of thousand potential followers who are ready to join them and die for the ideology. I am afraid that little we can do to fight them, because when someone is ready to die just to destroy other people, it's hard to fight that. Plus, we have to observe human rights while they do not. It turns out Assad was right about them all along and the Russians too.
If IS now control some oil fields, who are they selling the oil too?, how are the payments made?, you`d have to be stupid to think you could make money selling IS oil and not suffer some sanction in the future from US government.
If IS now control some oil fields, who are they selling the oil too?, how are the payments made?, you`d have to be stupid to think you could make money selling IS oil and not suffer some sanction in the future from US government.
You really think any of the African countries could care about sanctions or maybe even North Korea of China , there are plenty of countries already under sanctions or just couldn't care less about them
You really think any of the African countries could care about sanctions or maybe even North Korea of China , there are plenty of countries already under sanctions or just couldn't care less about them
Do you have any evidence that`s who is buying the oil?, how do they transport the oil?, a lot of money goes through the American banking system via different methods, any company that deals however remotely, will be vary of coming under their suspision.
Do you have any evidence that`s who is buying the oil?, how do they transport the oil?, a lot of money goes through the American banking system via different methods, any company that deals however remotely, will be vary of coming under their suspision.
You don't seriously believe there isn't a black market in oil and don't believe all you hear about the power of the Dollar or the American banking system they are amateurs in the world of international finance
Your welcome. I just understand your point of view. I don't see EDL as a threat. So carry on doing what your doing it is fine by me. I realise there is a serious threat among England and that is militant islam. Its just some people get their facts twisted about the EDL and assume things before they even have researched anything about them.
It annoys me to know that people would rather turn on their own, instead of uniting with one another and fighting the same fight for a solution.
I have watched and monitored many EDL demonstrations and as far as im concerned nothing seems irrational too me. Nothing seems fascist to me. Nothing seems Nazi to me.
The only problem i actually saw where the opposition named UAF. They seemed to kick off with the literal presence of the EDL and cause the police problems.
Whats wrong with getting together and flying our saint Georges flag high with pride.
The people i hate the most are the government at the moment. Them schoolboys in parliament, who run around like headless chickens and run scared like little cowards when the shit hits the fan. The problem is not the EDL.
I accept that and so should everyone else. After all its a free country.
We are all facing the same problems here. When the jihadists run the streets what will we do then, go against each other? We need to unite for our own sakes.
Of course isis are a huge threat and I believe uaf are just as bad as the EDL. But to say the edl (or key aspects of the membership) are not a threat is bonkers . How about the venom spewing from members on the Facebook groups about blowing up mosques etc etc. if edl are all for peace why doesn't the admin simply block and delete those who advocate violence quite simple really.
Thank goodness that there are at least some on this forum can see beyond the lies and misinformation that are put out re the EDL, we are patriots that only have the interests of England and our culture in their hearts..
AWW that's nice of you, but I am also a patriot and I have the interest of everyone who lives in this country in my heart no matter what their skin colour or their religion provided they abide by the laws of this land, (which incidentally the overwhelming majority of Muslims do, it's a pity the same can't be said for the supporters of the 'so called' 'defenders' of England)
and not just ones who conform to some mythical right wing idea of "Englishness" it's not even Britishness with the EDL they have to narrow it down even further.
When the terrible violence of the jihadists come to our streets, just remember that many of you on here were complicit.
Brilliant, the only "terrible violence" I have seen on our streets was "terrible violence" being done by the 'defenders' of England, I had a mingle with some of these brave and noble defenders once, at and EDL demo, it only confirmed what I already knew about them,
they got drunk, attacked our police including a police woman, they tried to overturn several police vehicles because they didn't seem to understand the simple difference between being given permission to hold a static demo and a march,
they wanted to to attack the counter demo which was being held peacefully a few streets away by about 400 people made up of students with some pensioners and the majority were women.
(lots of arrests from among the EDL, not one from the counter demo)
because the police refused to allow the drunken mob of around 1500 noble defenders of England to attack the peaceful demonstration they decided to defend us by attacking the police.
I also witnessed a group of about 8 of the defenders of England on their way home when they surrounded a car with an Asian woman and her kids in it and proceeded to kick the car and spit on the windows totally ignoring her pleas to be left alone and her screaming and terrified children.
I SAW this with my own eyes because I was there, so please, when you start talking about "terrible violence on our streets" you might want to start by having a word with your chums.
Of course isis are a huge threat and I believe uaf are just as bad as the EDL. But to say the edl (or key aspects of the membership) are not a threat is bonkers . How about the venom spewing from members on the Facebook groups about blowing up mosques etc etc. if edl are all for peace why doesn't the admin simply block and delete those who advocate violence quite simple really.
The thing is the EDL are an open organisation. The Facebook pages are normally not regarded as EDLs official page. The official website is the EDLs main site.
But how can you sit there and compare ISIS to EDL? I don't see EDL beheading innocent people and boasting about it? The UAF in my mind are worse than the EDL.
But what i find quite funny actually is that people are starting to avoid what i was previously saying with Arthur. To check the main website and see if there is anything that preaches hatred in any sort of way. All you lot can come back with is useless, pathetic excuses. And im not even EDL. Im quite happy to defend their name if i believe they are persecuted by the likes of you people who misunderstand their purpose.
Why cant anyone see that?
The thing is the EDL are an open organisation. The Facebook pages are normally not regarded as EDLs official page. The official website is the EDLs main site.
But how can you sit there and compare ISIS to EDL? I don't see EDL beheading innocent people and boasting about it? The UAF in my mind are worse than the EDL.
But what i find quite funny actually is that people are starting to avoid what i was previously saying with Arthur. To check the main website and see if there is anything that preaches hatred in any sort of way. All you lot can come back with is useless, pathetic excuses. And im not even EDL. Im quite happy to defend their name if i believe they are persecuted by the likes of you people who misunderstand their purpose.
Why cant anyone see that?
I wasn't comparing them to ISIS . IF you read my post I was comparing the edl more so with Uaf . I can't compare isis with much as they are compete savages.
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In Britain, I think far too much time is given in the media - and probably society - to vocal British citizens telling everyone about their Muslim faith. To be frank, I feel much the same when people talk constantly about their sexuality. One feels like saying to them "that's fine but tell me about all the other interesting things in your life".
All these UK Muslims. Faith is one thing. But I'd be more interested in hearing which country their family had its origins in, how they feel about the idea of that country, good or bad, how close they feel to it, or how distant, what they are proud of in their family's geographical roots, and even what the broad culture and geography are like. In most cases, it isn't even clear what parts of the world are in their roots and it is as if they dismiss them. To get them focussed on that more harnesses them to family and the rest of us who would find such things more interesting.
There is enough food for everyone.
But the tricky Jews make people waste food.
So some people have less food because Jews make people waste food.
So the Jews want to depopulate the planet and in effect reduce the number of people they can sell things to for over-inflated prices and don't want to share their wealth.
I don't think you've got the greedy Jew schtick down quite yet.
Oh sorry by Jew I meant Rothschilds.
Just to clarify, your opening is obviously addressed to John Truther and not to me in my post immediately above it. I haven't been writing about the Rothschilds or Jewish people in this context at all and have no bias against them.
Yes sorry for any ambiguity.
That's fine. I once attended a splendid Jewish wedding in North London where the bride was swung around on a chair about an inch above my head. Sadly, though, it wasn't the Rothschilds.
Because ordinary folk need to realise and fully understand just how much of a nasty place the world really is! its not full of roses you know? things like this happen all the time in the world and will always happen.
They are indeed racists but only because you say so....:(
Oh they'd find someone, make no mistake. African nations, India, South East Asia, Britain, they'd find someone, they always have, starting with the birth of Islam.
I suggest , if we are serious about stopping ISIS, we destroy the source of ISIS' funding.
Evidence please
They will continue to kill each other, as they have done for years.
Mudjahadeen (opposed to Soviets hence America's best friends) -> Al Qaeda -> ISIS yes, but I don't think ISIS are being funded by the CIA.
That is only partly true. America has been helping ISIS and similar groups who fought Assad in Syria. That was a big mistake! Nobody now however is financing ISIS. They stole huge amounts of money from the Iraqi banks, they have access to oil fields and they managed to get their hands on the Iraqi army's waepons provided by the U.S government. So now, ISIS have everything: money, weapons and most importantly, they have hundreds of thousand potential followers who are ready to join them and die for the ideology. I am afraid that little we can do to fight them, because when someone is ready to die just to destroy other people, it's hard to fight that. Plus, we have to observe human rights while they do not. It turns out Assad was right about them all along and the Russians too.
Wait a minute.
You have accepted there can be no objective definition of 'Britishness' - and yet you say I want such a concept legislated for.
How can it be legislated for, if we both accept that there can be no objective definition?
And why do I want to live in a sad world ?
My sense of belonging to this land is probably different to your seemingly narrow jingoistic one - why is yours "better" than my take?
If IS now control some oil fields, who are they selling the oil too?, how are the payments made?, you`d have to be stupid to think you could make money selling IS oil and not suffer some sanction in the future from US government.
You really think any of the African countries could care about sanctions or maybe even North Korea of China , there are plenty of countries already under sanctions or just couldn't care less about them
Do you have any evidence that`s who is buying the oil?, how do they transport the oil?, a lot of money goes through the American banking system via different methods, any company that deals however remotely, will be vary of coming under their suspision.
You don't seriously believe there isn't a black market in oil and don't believe all you hear about the power of the Dollar or the American banking system they are amateurs in the world of international finance
AWW that's nice of you, but I am also a patriot and I have the interest of everyone who lives in this country in my heart no matter what their skin colour or their religion provided they abide by the laws of this land, (which incidentally the overwhelming majority of Muslims do, it's a pity the same can't be said for the supporters of the 'so called' 'defenders' of England)
and not just ones who conform to some mythical right wing idea of "Englishness" it's not even Britishness with the EDL they have to narrow it down even further.
Brilliant, the only "terrible violence" I have seen on our streets was "terrible violence" being done by the 'defenders' of England, I had a mingle with some of these brave and noble defenders once, at and EDL demo, it only confirmed what I already knew about them,
they got drunk, attacked our police including a police woman, they tried to overturn several police vehicles because they didn't seem to understand the simple difference between being given permission to hold a static demo and a march,
they wanted to to attack the counter demo which was being held peacefully a few streets away by about 400 people made up of students with some pensioners and the majority were women.
(lots of arrests from among the EDL, not one from the counter demo)
because the police refused to allow the drunken mob of around 1500 noble defenders of England to attack the peaceful demonstration they decided to defend us by attacking the police.
I also witnessed a group of about 8 of the defenders of England on their way home when they surrounded a car with an Asian woman and her kids in it and proceeded to kick the car and spit on the windows totally ignoring her pleas to be left alone and her screaming and terrified children.
I SAW this with my own eyes because I was there, so please, when you start talking about "terrible violence on our streets" you might want to start by having a word with your chums.
The thing is the EDL are an open organisation. The Facebook pages are normally not regarded as EDLs official page. The official website is the EDLs main site.
But how can you sit there and compare ISIS to EDL? I don't see EDL beheading innocent people and boasting about it? The UAF in my mind are worse than the EDL.
But what i find quite funny actually is that people are starting to avoid what i was previously saying with Arthur. To check the main website and see if there is anything that preaches hatred in any sort of way. All you lot can come back with is useless, pathetic excuses. And im not even EDL. Im quite happy to defend their name if i believe they are persecuted by the likes of you people who misunderstand their purpose.
Why cant anyone see that?