I think we need to find out what the stats are classing as domestic violence "of some sort", which it specifically mentions in respect of men. In one study I read about, things like door slamming were classed as domestic violence against men in the stats.
I'm not saying men don't experience domestic violence, but we need to make sure we are comparing like with like.
Regarding cancer, that may be a statistical fact but how does that prove that we're somehow treating them appallingly, as a country or society?
I dont know a huge amount about these stats but just on these points, how many moonlit runs for charity do you see for prostate cancer for example. All the media attention is on women's cancer, breast, cervical and that includes health campaigns focused on those, not for men (and yes before someone mentions it that comedian has recently done a campaign, cant remember his name, bill something, but that is few and far between the normal lack of attention on it)
A lot of men won't go to see their GP until it's too late, unlike women
How is it our collective responsibility if boys won't study or listen in class?
Maybe male culture has something to answer for.
Male culture is something our society creates/tolerates. Too cool for school is often seen as ok for boys, boys tht study are 'nerdy' or 'geeks'. Boys that are sensitive and gentle are mummys boys or not going to cut it in big business. We are enabling and promoting traits in our general population, let alone men which value aggression at times, so its no wonder that boys and men will have an exaggerated form of this.
I dont know a huge amount about these stats but just on these points, how many moonlit runs for charity do you see for prostate cancer for example. All the media attention is on women's cancer, breast, cervical and that includes health campaigns focused on those, not for men (and yes before someone mentions it that comedian has recently done a campaign, cant remember his name, bill something, but that is few and far between the normal lack of attention on it)
Bob Monkhouse? yes, well he didn't really do it himself (I think?), it was made by putting together various clips from old shows of his, together but it wasn't made until after he died. I can't remember if that was prostate or testicular cancer though?.
Bowel cancer is being talked about a bit more now, at least I've heard it mentioned on The Wright Stuff. I think Matthew Wright campaigns for one of the male cancers - my memory is awful though, so wouldn't be sure which, testicular or prostate I think.
Bob Monkhouse? yes, well he didn't really do it himself (I think?), it was made by putting together various clips from old shows of his, together but it wasn't made until after he died. I can't remember if that was prostate or testicular cancer though?.
Bowel cancer is being talked about a bit more now, at least I've heard it mentioned on The Wright Stuff. I think Matthew Wright campaigns for one of the male cancers - my memory is awful though, so wouldn't be sure which, testicular or prostate I think.
Ok, so thats 3 people talking about cancers that are more prevalent in men. Now name various celebs who campaign about cancers that affect predominately women, there are hundreds. The point is male cancers and illnesses just dont get the same coverage.
Male culture is something our society creates/tolerates. Too cool for school is often seen as ok for boys, boys tht study are 'nerdy' or 'geeks'. Boys that are sensitive and gentle are mummys boys or not going to cut it in big business. We are enabling and promoting traits in our general population, let alone men which value aggression at times, so its no wonder that boys and men will have an exaggerated form of this.
Its a real shame. There's nothing wrong in being a bit sensitive. It reminds me a little of when people ask why do some women prefer rebellious, guys 'from the wrong side of the tracks' and all of that. Some people seem attracted to such people, I'm not entirely sure why? can't be a good thing surely?.
Ok, so thats 3 people talking about cancers that are more prevalent in men. Now name various celebs who campaign about cancers that affect predominately women, there are hundreds. The point is male cancers and illnesses just dont get the same coverage.
Figures are inflated because legal aid is given to divorces as a priority re domestic abuse.
Think of all the money you'd save on solicitors with a black eye.
12 organisations offer refuge or safe house provision for male victims in the UK - a
total of 86 spaces, of which 25 are dedicated to male victims only (the rest being
for victims of either gender so they could easily be unavailable to male victims),
and some are for gay men only or are restricted to men specifically from the local
area. There are over 260 organisations with around 4,000 spaces dedicated to
female victims
I was convicted of ABH and served 3 months in prison (12 years ago).
In fact I was being attacked and defended myself (the prosecution admitted the injuries were minor to my partner)
She lied to the police. She lied at Trial 1. (hung jury). She lied at Trial 2 where I was convicted.
"Oh they all do that" were the helpful words from my barrister.
I have three different testimonies, in writing, submitted under disclosure, about what happened. But it would have cost me £15.000 to go for a further appeal when the public mood was "Men are always Guilty"
I was convicted of ABH and served 3 months in prison (12 years ago).
In fact I was being attacked and defended myself (the prosecution admitted the injuries were minor to my partner)
She lied to the police. She lied at Trial 1. (hung jury). She lied at Trial 2 where I was convicted.
"Oh they all do that" were the helpful words from my barrister.
I have three different testimonies, in writing, submitted under disclosure, about what happened. But it would have cost me £15.000 to go for a further appeal when the public mood was "Men are always Guilty"
I was arrested for assault years ago after a bonkers girlfriend took a swing at me with a meat-cleaver and broke her arm when I moved so she hit her arm on the side of the couch.
Took her to the hospital where, I assume, she told the doctor some story and a couple of cops arrived and arrested me.
Fortunately, there was somebody around when it happened and when she found out I'd been arrested she went to the cop-shop and helped sort things out.
As I've said before, even after all that, as I left the cop-shop one of the cops said "This wouldn't have happened if you treated women properly".:(
*EDIT*
You just know that there'll be some people reading these posts and thinking "Sure, I bet that's not what really happened".
I think we need to find out what the stats are classing as domestic violence "of some sort", which it specifically mentions in respect of men. In one study I read about, things like door slamming were classed as domestic violence against men in the stats.
I'm not saying men don't experience domestic violence, but we need to make sure we are comparing like with like.
the figures come from the ONS crime surveys and they are comparing like for like
I was arrested for assault years ago after a bonkers girlfriend took a swing at me with a meat-cleaver and broke her arm when I moved so she hit her arm on the side of the couch.
Took her to the hospital where, I assume, she told the doctor some story and a couple of cops arrived and arrested me.
Fortunately, there was somebody around when it happened and when she found out I'd been arrested she went to the cop-shop and helped sort things out.
As I've said before, even after all that, as I left the cop-shop one of the cops said "This wouldn't have happened if you treated women properly".:(
*EDIT*
You just know that there'll be some people reading these posts and thinking "Sure, I bet that's not what really happened".
That's horrific! I hope you had her charged over her attack with the meat cleaver. She sounds deranged.
What is most ridiculous about this situation is that it always ends up in a poisonous debate about who has it worse and who's fault it is.
I'll tell you who has it worse - the nearly 2 million victims of domestic abuse, regardless of what sex they are or who their abusers are.
And I'll tell you whose fault it is - firstly of course the abusers - secondly, the rest of us for not taking abuse seriously enough; for not prosecuting perpetrators effectively enough; and for not ensuring there is a safe place for every victim who needs one; legal support for them; and a sympathetic and supportive attitude to them.
What is most ridiculous about this situation is that it always ends up in a poisonous debate about who has it worse and who's fault it is.
I'll tell you who has it worse - the nearly 2 million victims of domestic abuse, regardless of what sex they are or who their abusers are.
And I'll tell you whose fault it is - firstly of course the abusers - secondly, the rest of us for not taking abuse seriously enough; for not prosecuting perpetrators effectively enough; and for not ensuring there is a safe place for every victim who needs one; legal support for them; and a sympathetic and supportive attitude to them.
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A lot of men won't go to see their GP until it's too late, unlike women
How is it our collective responsibility if boys won't study or listen in class?
Maybe male culture has something to answer for.
I'm not saying men don't experience domestic violence, but we need to make sure we are comparing like with like.
I dont know a huge amount about these stats but just on these points, how many moonlit runs for charity do you see for prostate cancer for example. All the media attention is on women's cancer, breast, cervical and that includes health campaigns focused on those, not for men (and yes before someone mentions it that comedian has recently done a campaign, cant remember his name, bill something, but that is few and far between the normal lack of attention on it)
Male culture is something our society creates/tolerates. Too cool for school is often seen as ok for boys, boys tht study are 'nerdy' or 'geeks'. Boys that are sensitive and gentle are mummys boys or not going to cut it in big business. We are enabling and promoting traits in our general population, let alone men which value aggression at times, so its no wonder that boys and men will have an exaggerated form of this.
Bob Monkhouse? yes, well he didn't really do it himself (I think?), it was made by putting together various clips from old shows of his, together but it wasn't made until after he died. I can't remember if that was prostate or testicular cancer though?.
Bowel cancer is being talked about a bit more now, at least I've heard it mentioned on The Wright Stuff. I think Matthew Wright campaigns for one of the male cancers - my memory is awful though, so wouldn't be sure which, testicular or prostate I think.
Ok, so thats 3 people talking about cancers that are more prevalent in men. Now name various celebs who campaign about cancers that affect predominately women, there are hundreds. The point is male cancers and illnesses just dont get the same coverage.
Its a real shame. There's nothing wrong in being a bit sensitive. It reminds me a little of when people ask why do some women prefer rebellious, guys 'from the wrong side of the tracks' and all of that. Some people seem attracted to such people, I'm not entirely sure why? can't be a good thing surely?.
I can believe that, I'm not disagreeing.
because, strangely enough, that's how an egalitarian society works
full marks for continuing the antagonistic us and them attitude though
Think of all the money you'd save on solicitors with a black eye.
You really don't see anything either sexist or, at least, divisive in what you wrote there?
Next time you're whining about there not being enough female business exec's or politicians, I have the perfect advice for you. ;-)
Is it possible that "female culture" is responsible for allowing women to have been oppressed for centuries?
Don't be so sexist! That's something that male culture has to answer for.
http://www.mankind.org.uk/pdfs/25%20Key%20Facts_Feb%202014%20(final).pdf
some other interesting statistics from that article
Ah, right. I didn't see the "One Way Traffic" signs. ;-)
In fact I was being attacked and defended myself (the prosecution admitted the injuries were minor to my partner)
She lied to the police. She lied at Trial 1. (hung jury). She lied at Trial 2 where I was convicted.
"Oh they all do that" were the helpful words from my barrister.
I have three different testimonies, in writing, submitted under disclosure, about what happened. But it would have cost me £15.000 to go for a further appeal when the public mood was "Men are always Guilty"
I was arrested for assault years ago after a bonkers girlfriend took a swing at me with a meat-cleaver and broke her arm when I moved so she hit her arm on the side of the couch.
Took her to the hospital where, I assume, she told the doctor some story and a couple of cops arrived and arrested me.
Fortunately, there was somebody around when it happened and when she found out I'd been arrested she went to the cop-shop and helped sort things out.
As I've said before, even after all that, as I left the cop-shop one of the cops said "This wouldn't have happened if you treated women properly".:(
*EDIT*
You just know that there'll be some people reading these posts and thinking "Sure, I bet that's not what really happened".
the figures come from the ONS crime surveys and they are comparing like for like
No...
Are you denying that 'lad' culture exists?
That's horrific! I hope you had her charged over her attack with the meat cleaver. She sounds deranged.
I'll tell you who has it worse - the nearly 2 million victims of domestic abuse, regardless of what sex they are or who their abusers are.
And I'll tell you whose fault it is - firstly of course the abusers - secondly, the rest of us for not taking abuse seriously enough; for not prosecuting perpetrators effectively enough; and for not ensuring there is a safe place for every victim who needs one; legal support for them; and a sympathetic and supportive attitude to them.
We're starting to make progress but a long way to go.
I wholeheartedly agree with this post.
Men are more subject to violence in public, yet this seems to be ignored and we just hear about domestic.