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  • ZapomaticZapomatic Posts: 705
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    petestan wrote:
    Kleeneze do one also in their catalogue. If you want to look it's in their online catalogue page 18.

    http://www.kleeneze.co.uk/flash_catalogue/index.html

    Contact me if you want one. :D
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    http://www.johnlewis.com/Electrical/Kitchen+Appliances/Cooking+Appliances/Egg+Boilers/230306469/Product.aspx

    Another egg cooker - this will work like the Kleeneze one in that you add a measured amount of water depending on how done you want the eggs. It's only a very small amount though. It's almost like you're steaming the eggs.
  • chrisbartleychrisbartley Posts: 1,790
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    http://www.easyxchair.com/index.php

    It looks like something from the easyjet, easycinema, easybus range, judging by the colour desgin on his site.

    Shhhh !!!!

    you'll have Stelios and his lawyers down on him like a rash.

    or maybe he's already invested ?

    maybe not !
  • Mark.Mark. Posts: 84,804
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    That car guy was just like the table one from last week - such a pointless product, but as far as they're concerned it's the best thing since sliced bread.

    I'm surprised Peter Jones didn't see the need for lorries to be clean. I know people who drive company vans and they have to ensure the logo is always visible, with very little dirt...I'd imagine the same applies to articulated lorry drivers.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 6
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    I am amazed KarDoctor is up and running www.kardoctor.com Costs £1.50 per minute on phone or to ask 1 question online costs £5 quote from site " Your friends never need to know you didn't know where to put the oil. The garage will think you are an expert when you tell them how long the repair should take. "

    I am still not convinced this idea is good and it seems flawed. Why would I pay £5 to find out where to put the oil when There are countless websites and forums that give a huge wealth of knowledge for free. If i have a general question about repairs and cost then i can also simply phone a number of garages and ask for quotes etc.

    Another interesting part is that according to their terms and conditions is that they wash their hands completely of any responsibility or liability by declaring that information given by them is simply educational and informational purposes only.

    I will be bookmarking KarDoctor and seeing just how long it does last!
  • RuokasiRuokasi Posts: 3,593
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    That car guy was just like the table one from last week - such a pointless product, but as far as they're concerned it's the best thing since sliced bread.

    I'm surprised Peter Jones didn't see the need for lorries to be clean. I know people who drive company vans and they have to ensure the logo is always visible, with very little dirt...I'd imagine the same applies to articulated lorry drivers.

    I think the KarDoctor thing was pointless, I am suprised he didn't mention that his 'advisors' could maybe give walkthroughs to those who need to put on a new tyre or something.
  • trash80trash80 Posts: 21,537
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    services like KarDoctor depend on there being enough lazy people around who arn't prepared to look for the info for free
  • silentflutesilentflute Posts: 900
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    I mean you could always go to college and learn how to fix up a car, it'll cost you a bit; but it could be worth it in the long term.
  • DICKENS99DICKENS99 Posts: 2,619
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    KarDoctor will probably always have a customer base, people who don't have access to information sources such as the internet or who prefer speaking to a declared professional, people who don't give a damn about finding out how their car works and just want it to work when needed, people who want to have a ballpark idea of the cost of repairs and who otherwise would have no idea if the garage is having a laugh with their quote. Whether this base is big enough to support a business is another matter but I don't think the idea deserved to have quite so much scorn poured on it.

    As for the legal issues, surely there are plenty enough help lines on various subjects in operation already to show that these can be dealt with.

    Mind you, the Dragon's reasons for rejecting an idea can sometimes be quite personalised - Peter Jones is famous for instantly disliking any idea not presented by someone in a suit (surely there must be someone who dresses like a tramp out there with a working anti-grav system, just to confuse him) and I remember Doug Richards rejecting an odour eating dog blanket on the basis that he actually liked the smell of his dog. I'm guessing you may be on your own there Doug.
  • DICKENS99DICKENS99 Posts: 2,619
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    Gemo52 wrote:
    I thought she should take the offer.

    If she had taken the offer I think that would have been the first time the dragons would have wanted a controlling interest in the company. They may have asked for 50% in the past but never over.

    I did wonder if this was going to be a test rather than a serious offer as, given that they always want to see enthusiasm and dedication for their idea from the investors, selling the controlling interest might be seen as showing that you were only interested in the profit.

    Then again, I don't think the Ice Dragonette plays games!
  • Agent KrycekAgent Krycek Posts: 39,269
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    KarDoctor thingy - rubbish idea, if my company car breaks down when I'm out I'll call the AA, if it's making a weird sound my boss will take it to a garage (after staring under the bonnet and making manly 'I know what the problem is' type noises), wouldn't even think of calling a premium line for advice. If I know that little about cars, and I do, then someone giving me advice over the phone will have no point as I'd have no idea what they were talking about anyway, and why contact on the internet, when I could google and find out for free or ask on a motoring message board (of which there's loads and they're free).

    Picnic bag - I want one, and I want one now. Lovely, simple idea, she should have gone with the woman though, as someone said earlier, get the right people seen using it and it'd sell bucket loads.

    Lorry wash - another great idea, and seeing the Dragons fighting over it was brillaint TV, I wonder if Peter Jones thought he'd made a mistake when he saw how the others were fighting over it?

    Armchair thing - hilarious, and not just that bloke's hairdo either :D
  • bananaman_007bananaman_007 Posts: 8,702
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    They are doing a great job of picking the right items for the show this year...

    The picnic bag was a dam good idea, but she was as dull as dishwater.

    Maybe its because i don't drive but i could not understand the frenzy over the lorry wash, and why he wanted Theo? I would have thought Big D and the Aussie would have taken no crap either...

    The gym chair - i can understand what the guy was tryuing to do, sadly i don't think he quite got it.
  • NonconformistNonconformist Posts: 491
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    I thought asking for 51% was quite unacceptable.
  • rolergirlrolergirl Posts: 5,205
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    i wouldnt like to work for that new woman,shes so inflexible,i think she wanted that guy to get down and beg, cant she remember what it was like starting her own businesses?
    she seemed to just want all the power and shares and not to help at least some of the others compromised.
  • FirespireFirespire Posts: 4,664
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    I thought asking for 51% was quite unacceptable.

    In that case I thought it was acceptable as the woman didn't seem to have drive to concentrate on selling that bag and making a respectable profit. If I wanted to invest in that idea and was in with that woman I would want to call the shots to protect my money.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 2,708
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    Just looking at http://www.kardocktor.co.uk/index.php


    If you scroll down to the bottom on the right hand side is something like

    5667 requests since Monday 03 July, 2006

    I was quite impressed, amazed even, then I realised if you click refresh the numbers jump up... hmmm
  • DemonLemonDemonLemon Posts: 902
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    The KarDocktor guy was living in another world. I can't imagine any reason whatsoever for me to use his service. I'd rather use my local mechanic. Even if he claimed to be able to 'fight my corner', why should I trust KarDocktor above my local mechanic? Why would I choose to use a premium rate number, that I know can only pay them if they keep me on the line for a long time? I can get free advice from my mechanic, with no obligation.

    And the customer is sometimes wrong. So what are karDocktor going to do if they have a Client who is acting unreasonably with a car dealer? Are KarDocktor going to refuse to take the matter further? Well, maybe they can't do that. It was just pie in the sky nonsense, dreamt up by some men in a pub. I can't see it going anywhere.
  • ShrikeShrike Posts: 16,590
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    51% :eek:
    I swear the Dragons get greedier every series.

    £55 for a bag with integral tray that turns into a blanket that I can pick up in Wilcos for a fiver?
    The country really does have money to burn if thats a winner.

    Duncan obviously wouldn't like the idea of people excercising at home, rather than joining his gyms, but they should have recognised a lot of people dont have time or inclination to go to gyms.
    In theory a quick workout whist dinner is cooking should be a winner.
    Trouble is the excercise chair would be used as much as any other home gym - once in a blue moon, and I bet it was really heavy too.
  • Prince MonaluluPrince Monalulu Posts: 35,900
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    Peter Jones and truck wash man, best thing he could have said to Peter Jones is, when did you last see a dirty Eddie Stobart or Christian Salvesen lorry.

    Good to see the Dragons having a tearup over the deal, though.

    Bonks, yes it may be tacky, but people will buy all sorts of horrible tat, sad but true.
    Having said that, I wouldn't invest in the Bonks either.
    That lot would have turned down the thigh master, it might well end up collecting dust after a month, but you've got their money.

    Picnic bag, I can't believe the Dragons didn't ask about how much it cost to manufacture and where it was manufactured.
    Female Dragon would have had those manufactured in china for tuppence hapenny within a week, huge profit at £55 a pop.
    Woman was just too wishy washy.

    Remember the baby buggy rocker thing, that rocked the buggy and put the baby to sleep, in the last 2 series.
    Dragons wanted the idea both times it was presented, but not the inventors.
    They'd bring in a team to run the company and the inventors should go away and just collect the cheques.

    Think it was the same thing with picnic bag woman.
    You do the designing, I'll do everything else and you collect your cheques and shutup.
  • DemonLemonDemonLemon Posts: 902
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    The Kardocktor guy really got to me. There's a whole programme potential in him. His hope-over-reality outlook was too funny. The thing is though, he was almost at he point of seeking money under false pretences. If he goes forward with his idea, he might end up having to con people. This is because his income can only match his overheads if he keeps people on the line for a long time.

    "What advice will you give me if I say I have a Ford Escort with a knocking noise in the back"

    "I'd tell you to find a local garage to have a look at it."

    BRILLIANT ADVICE. :p

    That would be a worthwhile premium phone call.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 27
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    Just looking at http://www.kardocktor.co.uk/index.php


    If you scroll down to the bottom on the right hand side is something like

    5667 requests since Monday 03 July, 2006

    I was quite impressed, amazed even, then I realised if you click refresh the numbers jump up... hmmm

    Haha - requests my a*** - thats just a glorified counter!
  • mossy2103mossy2103 Posts: 84,307
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    Just looking at http://www.kardocktor.co.uk/index.php


    If you scroll down to the bottom on the right hand side is something like

    5667 requests since Monday 03 July, 2006

    I was quite impressed, amazed even, then I realised if you click refresh the numbers jump up... hmmm
    Yep, a webpage vist counter, with generic text displaying how many time the webpage has been requested (or visited). Quite common really. :)
  • mossy2103mossy2103 Posts: 84,307
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    rolergirl wrote:
    i wouldnt like to work for that new woman,shes so inflexible,i think she wanted that guy to get down and beg, cant she remember what it was like starting her own businesses?
    she seemed to just want all the power and shares and not to help at least some of the others compromised.
    Well, she is a successful entrepreneur, and if she is stumping up a considerable amount of money, then she has a right to expect that the business plan is up to scratch, along with the people running it. If the person adsking for the investment doesn't seem to have the necessary drive to grow the business to its full potential, then the investor should have the right to negotiate a controlling interest in order that he/she CAN bring the necessary expertise as without being overridded.

    She can't be seen as a charity. :)
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 301
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    You know, something about KarDoctor guy reminded me of a Ferengi off of Star Trek.

    I agree with other people - I wouldn't use KarDoctor either because there's already an awful lot of freebie advice out there, just as easily avaliable. And I think most people have a friend or neighbour, or a friend of a friend, etc, who has a bit of knowledge about cars and would come and actually look at the car, for free.

    Picnic bag lady... I agree that the product idea was excellent. I don't think that £55 is actually that steep (my mum wants one & would pay that), and as someone else has said, get the right people seen with it and consumer sheep...sorry, people, would probably pay even more for it.

    But she was utterly clueless on the business side. An investment of £50,000 for a return of £10,000 over three years? Er, Hello? I'm no entrepreneur, but even I know that's bonkers. And if her interests really lay in the development of a brand name and designing other products, she needs somebody to do the business side and get kicking some arses. Because she was certainly far too airy fairy to do it.
  • Prince MonaluluPrince Monalulu Posts: 35,900
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    Seconded mossy2103, as female dragon said, nobody is going to invest (50K, I think) to see 10k back in 3 years, might as well stick it in the bank.

    It's a 2 way process, dragon makes money and inventor gets money and access to the dragons knowledge and contacts.
    As Doug Richard said to one of the inventors last series 'you couldn't afford my time'
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 2,708
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    mossy2103 wrote:
    Yep, a webpage vist counter, with generic text displaying how many time the webpage has been requested (or visited). Quite common really. :)

    I knew what it was :p It gives the impression they have had that many requests (for help and advice) which is a bit misleading.
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