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David Cameron rules out restrictions on MPs’ second jobs

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    LostFoolLostFool Posts: 90,660
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    I support restrictions on 2nd jobs for MPs but that should be coupled with an increase to their salary so that we can attract a better class of MP.

    I could only support that if there was a big decrease in the number of MPs.
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    GlastonGlaston Posts: 1,926
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    Jol44 wrote: »
    Being an MP should be a full time job with little time to do anything else. If you're no willing to commit to that, then don't become an MP as you're clearly not committed enough.

    40 hours a week as an MP. (thats full time work for those not in the know)
    Leaves plenty of time for other work.
    No committment problems there.
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    Jol44Jol44 Posts: 21,048
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    People moan about MPs, wealth and not living in the real world.

    Well, here is a prime chance to partly address that.
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    Jol44Jol44 Posts: 21,048
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    Sinistra wrote: »
    Let's not trivialise this nonsense by calling it a "second job". We all know what it is and it stinks.

    Indeed.
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    LostFoolLostFool Posts: 90,660
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    Sinistra wrote: »
    Let's not trivialise this nonsense by calling it a "second job". We all know what it is and it stinks.

    Is Gordon Brown being paid for his "second job" as a globe-trotting UN envoy?

    Any MP who is also a minister (or a shadow) has a second job as they have all of their departmental responsibilities on top of their constituency ones.
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    GlastonGlaston Posts: 1,926
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    Where were all these anti second job folks whilst a certain G Brown was swanning around for the last 5 years barely even visiting the HoC?
    edit beaten to the punch.
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    StrictlyEastendStrictlyEastend Posts: 35,455
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    I don't think an MP, should have a second job, their job as an MP is to represent their constituents and having a second job might take away time from them representing their constituents so I think their should be restrictions on MP's second jobs. Of course being a minister/shadow minister might be considered as a second job and that would be the exception but otherwise, they shouldn't have a second job.
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    john176bramleyjohn176bramley Posts: 25,049
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    Glaston wrote: »
    Where were all these anti second job folks whilst a certain G Brown was swanning around for the last 5 years barely even visiting the HoC?
    edit beaten to the punch.

    Presumably the same place as all these pro second job folks were whilst a certain G Brown was swanning around for the last 5 years barely even visiting the HoC.
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    CharlotteswebCharlottesweb Posts: 18,680
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    Glaston wrote: »
    60k pa may seem like a fortune to many but it wont attract people who might be rather good at doing things. Those kind of people can usually earn far more in both the private and public sector.

    No MP gets 60K pa.

    The basic wage is 67K for a start, putting them in ther top 5% earners in the country.

    Average expenses last year was £150K on top of that £67K. Of that £150K, accommodation expenses, food, travel and even clothing are included as part of the overall remuneration package, plus of course many MPs employ family members at £30k per year as well.

    The idea any MP is 'scraping by' on £67k a year is an untruth, they get far more than that. It is disingenuous to claim otherwise.
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    LostFoolLostFool Posts: 90,660
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    I don't think an MP, should have a second job, their job as an MP is to represent their constituents and having a second job might take away time from them representing their constituents so I think their should be restrictions on MP's second jobs. Of course being a minister/shadow minister might be considered as a second job and that would be the exception but otherwise, they shouldn't have a second job.

    Sounds like you are against an MP even spending time on anything other than representing their constituents rather than the issue of a second income.

    So what if an MP did unpaid charity work work in their spare time? Does appearing on Have I Got News For You count as a "second job"? Should they be allowed to make money from writing books or newspaper articles?
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    GlastonGlaston Posts: 1,926
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    The average number of hours spent on outside jobs by MP's is 41 hours a year.
    Or 47 minutes a week.

    Just to put things into perspective.
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    GlastonGlaston Posts: 1,926
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    No MP gets 60K pa.

    The basic wage is 67K for a start, putting them in ther top 5% earners in the country.

    Average expenses last year was £150K on top of that £67K. Of that £150K, accommodation expenses, food, travel and even clothing are included as part of the overall remuneration package, plus of course many MPs employ family members at £30k per year as well.

    The idea any MP is 'scraping by' on £67k a year is an untruth, they get far more than that. It is disingenuous to claim otherwise.

    Its still not a lot for somebody with any real expertise in any line of work.

    You can be a train driver and earn 50k plus.
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    GlastonGlaston Posts: 1,926
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    Can anybody point to any legislature in the Western World where their Members of Parliamant are barred from having outside interests?
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    taurus_67taurus_67 Posts: 6,955
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    Straw and Rifkind are both adamant that they never broke the rules or guidlines as laid out; but both are still suspended/ lost their jobs. That seems to suggest the 'rules' are not fit for purpose and they should be either changed or refined further.

    However, I'm not surprised Dave would rather carry on regardless; there's a lot of money to be made as ex-PM, don't want that cash-cow put out to pasture just yet.
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    Diamond HeadDiamond Head Posts: 517
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    The poor dabs clearly don't earn enough.

    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/politics/mps-told-to-pay-off-outstanding-food-and-drink-debts-before-election-10066828.html

    Catering on tick. Nice.
    If I tried that in my works canteen, I'd be told to go forth and multiply.
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    GibsonSGGibsonSG Posts: 23,681
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    What is completely wrong is MP's being able to advise third parties. I think lobbying should be banned as well. Utterly immoral practice.
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    GibsonSGGibsonSG Posts: 23,681
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    Glaston wrote: »
    Its still not a lot for somebody with any real expertise in any line of work.

    You can be a train driver and earn 50k plus.

    You read the Torygraph don't you? There was a story a while ago about how Tube Drivers could earn £67,000 upwards. This was based on one driver who apparently had a load of bonuses coming to him one year. I question the voracity of the story considering it's dubious source.
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    Jol44Jol44 Posts: 21,048
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    Glaston wrote: »
    The average number of hours spent on outside jobs by MP's is 41 hours a year.
    Or 47 minutes a week.

    Just to put things into perspective.

    A nudge and a wink doesn't take long.
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    BryanandLucBryanandLuc Posts: 1,056
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    Jeffrey Archer was on Breakfast saying that we should pay MPs more, given the work that they do
    He added that there are 115 people working at the BBC who each earn more than the prime Minister
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    AnnsyreAnnsyre Posts: 109,504
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    GibsonSG wrote: »
    You read the Torygraph don't you? There was a story a while ago about how Tube Drivers could earn £67,000 upwards. This was based on one driver who apparently had a load of bonuses coming to him one year. I question the voracity of the story considering it's dubious source.




    London Tube drivers' pay reaches £50,000 as unions demand pay rise for all staff
    More pay: Tube drivers benefit from pay increases in line with inflation Picture: Nigel Howard
    Dick Murray

    Published: 01 April 2014

    Updated: 14:58, 01 April 2014

    Tube train drivers' pay will nudge £50,000 a year from today in the last year of a record-breaking four year deal.

    Now unions are gearing to demand another multi-year pay deal of above inflation rises for all London Underground (LU) staff.

    Under the deal, LU staff won rises of 0.5 per cent above inflation.

    With 2.7 percent February inflation on which the scale is based, it means a 3.2 per cent increase kicking in from today.

    This takes the pay for drivers at the top of the scale to £49,673.


    http://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/london-tube-drivers-pay-reaches-50000-as-unions-demand-pay-rise-for-all-staff-9227580.html
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    alfamalealfamale Posts: 10,309
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    Jol44 wrote: »
    Being an MP should be a full time job with little time to do anything else. If you're no willing to commit to that, then don't become an MP as you're clearly not committed enough.

    No brainer you'd think. But i'm getting the sense as Dave doesn't agree then suddenly a few Tory supporters also don't agree.

    Yes lets not take it too literally, i'm all for novel writing, helping in the family cake shop, bit of charity shop work or CAB at the weekends. Looking at the parliamentary register though every second job seems to be paid work gained purely because they are an MP and more importantly carried out on a weekday in parliamentary time whilst parliament is sitting. On the basis 1/3rd of MPs don't have enough time in the day for their job the other 2/3rds on a weekday obviously need to be doing more constituency work if they're finding themselves at a loose end. Raise the salary and ban 2nd jobs (although £67k disposable income isnt bad, when expenses pay for all housing costs, domestic bills and sudsidise food & drinks).
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    LostFoolLostFool Posts: 90,660
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    Jeffrey Archer was on Breakfast saying that we should pay MPs more, given the work that they do
    He added that there are 115 people working at the BBC who each earn more than the prime Minister

    If only Archer had been banned from having a "second job" as an author....
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    OrriOrri Posts: 9,470
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    taurus_67 wrote: »
    Straw and Rifkind are both adamant that they never broke the rules or guidlines as laid out; but both are still suspended/ lost their jobs. That seems to suggest the 'rules' are not fit for purpose and they should be either changed or refined further.

    However, I'm not surprised Dave would rather carry on regardless; there's a lot of money to be made as ex-PM, don't want that cash-cow put out to pasture just yet.


    Technically they might say that they were caught before they actually broke the rules. However at least one of them is on film implying this was not their first time tarting themselves out.
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    PrinceOfDenmarkPrinceOfDenmark Posts: 2,761
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    shaddler wrote: »
    There's nothing wrong with MPs having a second job, as long as there's no conflict of interest.

    You don't think running the country should be a full-time job then? :confused:
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    deptfordbakerdeptfordbaker Posts: 22,368
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    I think working or having worked outside politics is essential, but it depends on the job. MP's that are doctors or dentists are fine, I'm not so sure about things like directorships though. That's code for being on a board of the company to represent it's interests, in return for lots of money.
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