they're just shoving it out in any state, as they're going to be kicked out of power in may, and they don't give a damn about it and to justify the mass amount of money spent on it already!
No shit Sherlock - to date only the simplest cases have been on UC, newly signed on single people mainly plus a few couples, in short the sort of people who get the fewest benefits and who normally tend to find jobs quickly
IDS guarantees a whole new set of people will not vote Tory. Genius!
Oh so let's get this right, you want people to be dependent on the state? Really? You want this? There are some things more important than votes, not that you lefties ever see that.
Oh so let's get this right, you want people to be dependent on the state? Really? You want this? There are some things more important than votes, not that you lefties ever see that.
Well saying under UC you can be punished for not earning enough money, because the company you work for will not increase your hours or give you a pay rise. First they came for the unemployed, then they came for the sick, then they came for the disabled, now they come for the low paid and underemployed. When do you think they might tackle the real problems like low pay and high rents, which are both out of the control of people
Well saying under UC you can be punished for not earning enough money, because the company you work for will not increase your hours or give you a pay rise. First they came for the unemployed, then they came for the sick, then they came for the disabled, now they come for the low paid and underemployed. When do you think they might tackle the real problems like low pay and high rents, which are both out of the control of people
They're unlikely to do much about either, and I can't see Labour being much better. Far too much vested interest in keeping wages low and rents high when so many MPs (and donors) own or run businesses and invest in property.
Oh so let's get this right, you want people to be dependent on the state? Really? You want this? There are some things more important than votes, not that you lefties ever see that.
This comment is something I don't understand, Universal Credit is perpetual state dependence.
Actually the truth about Universal Credit is that it's a method to end the "safety net", by making it completely horrific to claim any kind of benefit. Including in-work benefits and housing benefit.
This is what they wish to have, zero welfare of any description even if you are disabled. It's extreme ideology and impractical, but that won't stop them trying. The reality of it will still be very large numbers of people "on benefits", simply because low pay is the norm these days.
I would say they will do the same trick with healthcare, if they win in May of course.
Oh so let's get this right, you want people to be dependent on the state? Really? You want this? There are some things more important than votes, not that you lefties ever see that.
Off course Tories aren't releasing this news about UC before an election....oh hang on..
Actually the truth about Universal Credit is that it's a method to end the "safety net", by making it completely horrific to claim any kind of benefit. Including in-work benefits and housing benefit.
This is what they wish to have, zero welfare of any description even if you are disabled. It's extreme ideology and impractical, but that won't stop them trying. The reality of it will still be very large numbers of people "on benefits", simply because low pay is the norm these days.
I would say they will do the same trick with healthcare, if they win in May of course.
What a load of nonsense.
Single application rather than several ones is more difficult?
Being able to update actual income monthly, so the benefits can be increased/decreased accordingly and more promptly .
Labour MP Frank Field criticising it because its TOO GENEROUS. For each £1 earned they keep a higher proportion of their existing benefits than they do currently.
Labour raised the idea of a single merged benefit in a 2009 report.
What a load of nonsense.
Single application rather than several ones is more difficult?
Being able to update actual income monthly, so the benefits can be increased/decreased accordingly and more promptly .
Labour MP Frank Field criticising it because its TOO GENEROUS. For each £1 earned they keep a higher proportion of their existing benefits than they do currently.
Labour raised the idea of a single merged benefit in a 2009 report.
Sure about that?
A disabled worker for example under Universal Credit will lose £54 a week in tax credits as the disabled element of tax credits will be scrapped.
Many disabled workers cannot work full time hours due to their disability and rely on this extra payment to bring their wages up a little to go some way towards paying the bills.
Consequently IDS is removing the safety net for disabled workers who will be expected to look for more hours regardless of their health or disability.
Another 'group of people' thrown into the pit to fight it out for a few hours more.
What a load of nonsense.
Single application rather than several ones is more difficult?
Being able to update actual income monthly, so the benefits can be increased/decreased accordingly and more promptly .
Labour MP Frank Field criticising it because its TOO GENEROUS. For each £1 earned they keep a higher proportion of their existing benefits than they do currently.
Labour raised the idea of a single merged benefit in a 2009 report.
And for the first time employed people can be punished for not earning enough money. Part-time workers claiming Universal Credit face punitive in-work benefit sanctions, it has been reported today.
Universal Credit claimants in part-time employment could see their Housing Benefit slashed, if they fail to increase their working hours to 35 hours per week on the minimum wage, reports Inside Housing.
The trial, quietly introduced through secondary legislation, will affect around 15,000 new Universal credit claimants earning less than £12,000 a year.
Sanctions currently only affect unemployed people in receipt of Jobseeker’s Allowance (JSA) or Employment and Support Allowance (ESA).
If the trial is rolled out across the country, thousands of hard-working people could see their in-work benefits docked for the very first time.
Universal Credit merges a number of existing benefits into one single monthly payment. This includes Housing Benefit, Working Tax Credit, Child Tax Credit, Income Support, JSA and ESA.
However, the Government’s flagship project has been beset by delays and problems with its IT systems. Official figures show 26,940 people were claiming Universal Credit by 11 December 2014.
The DWP is speeding up the roll-out of Universal Credit across Britain, in an apparent bid to prevent Labour from calling a halt to its introduction if they win the next general election.
Under the new mandatory pilot, which launches in April 2015, in-work Universal Credit claimants face the prospect of weekly sanctions – starting at around £29 per person.
Those affected by the trial will be offered ‘support’ from Jobcentre Plus to increase their pay and working hours. Failure to comply could result in sanctions. The PCS Union has revealed that around 40% of DWP staff who will be working on Universal Credit will be on the benefit themselves.
The huge re-orgainsation of both in and out of work benefits begins next April and will see Working Tax Credits, Local Housing Allowance, Jobseekers Allowance and Employment Support Allowance, all brought under control of Jobcentres.
Of concern to the PCS is that the new system will extend conditionality of ‘work related activity’ to part time workers who are in receipt of some benefits. All claimants earning less than the minimum wage for a 35 hour week will be forced to demonstrate that they are constantly looking for ‘more, or better paid’ work. Failure to comply could lead to workfare or in-work benefits being stopped.
Some part time workers at Jobcentres are likely to fall into this group, meaning that Jobcentre staff could be responsible for sending their colleagues, or even themselves, on workfare!
Whilst this will no doubt amuse some claimants, this is an opportunity to send solidarity to DWP staff who are often low paid and under huge pressure from management to police and harass claimants. It is true that in some parts of the DWP a toxic attitude towards claimants has developed, which has lead to some people on benefits being bullied or harassed by Jobcentre staff. It is equally true that Jobcentre staff often take a lot of shit from claimants.
Sure about that?
A disabled worker for example under Universal Credit will lose £54 a week in tax credits as the disabled element of tax credits will be scrapped.
Many disabled workers cannot work full time hours due to their disability and rely on this extra payment to bring their wages up a little to go some way towards paying the bills.
Consequently IDS is removing the safety net for disabled workers who will be expected to look for more hours regardless of their health or disability.
Another 'group of people' thrown into the pit to fight it out for a few hours more.
You will now only make one claim for Universal Credit and attend a Work Capability
Assessment to see if your health condition or disability affects your ability to work. This
replaces the need for you to make several different claims for benefits, such as income
related Employment and Support Allowance; Income Support; Housing Benefit; Tax Credits;
and income-based Jobseeker’s Allowance.
...
Unlike the old system, your Universal Credit payment will reduce gradually as you earn more, so you won’t lose all your benefits at once if you’re on a low income. You will be better off for
every additional hour you work, whether in a full or part-time job.
...
DWP understands that if you have a disability or health condition you may face extra
challenges in your life which cost money, so Universal Credit is designed to help ensure that
money goes to those who need it the most. It also stops disabled children seeing a big drop
in their support when they become adults.
So whether you are an adult or a child, you will receive the same amount of money in
line with your needs. There are two levels of payment: one for people who need the most
support and a lower rate for people who need less.
...
If your circumstances stay the same, you will not lose out on any money. When you move
onto Universal Credit you will receive the same amount of benefit as you do now, and may
even receive more support. If you are working and have children you will also get help with
childcare costs.
Unfortunately I am one of the above who was forced out of a full time government department by the current government I have now got a 16 hour a week job on just over minimum wage, I can only do overtime if it covers leave, there is no prospect of my hours increasing to more than 20 a week permanently so will be one of the people who will get sanctioned.
We have been told no money for a pay rise so only pay rise will be if they are forced to increase minimum wage.
Oh joy of joys back to more fun with the DWP it was bad enough signing on.
And for the first time employed people can be punished for not earning enough money. Part-time workers claiming Universal Credit face punitive in-work benefit sanctions, it has been reported today.
Universal Credit claimants in part-time employment could see their Housing Benefit slashed, if they fail to increase their working hours to 35 hours per week on the minimum wage, reports Inside Housing.
The trial, quietly introduced through secondary legislation, will affect around 15,000 new Universal credit claimants earning less than £12,000 a year.
Sanctions currently only affect unemployed people in receipt of Jobseeker’s Allowance (JSA) or Employment and Support Allowance (ESA).
If the trial is rolled out across the country, thousands of hard-working people could see their in-work benefits docked for the very first time.
Universal Credit merges a number of existing benefits into one single monthly payment. This includes Housing Benefit, Working Tax Credit, Child Tax Credit, Income Support, JSA and ESA.
However, the Government’s flagship project has been beset by delays and problems with its IT systems. Official figures show 26,940 people were claiming Universal Credit by 11 December 2014.
The DWP is speeding up the roll-out of Universal Credit across Britain, in an apparent bid to prevent Labour from calling a halt to its introduction if they win the next general election.
Under the new mandatory pilot, which launches in April 2015, in-work Universal Credit claimants face the prospect of weekly sanctions – starting at around £29 per person.
Those affected by the trial will be offered ‘support’ from Jobcentre Plus to increase their pay and working hours. Failure to comply could result in sanctions. The PCS Union has revealed that around 40% of DWP staff who will be working on Universal Credit will be on the benefit themselves.
The huge re-orgainsation of both in and out of work benefits begins next April and will see Working Tax Credits, Local Housing Allowance, Jobseekers Allowance and Employment Support Allowance, all brought under control of Jobcentres.
Of concern to the PCS is that the new system will extend conditionality of ‘work related activity’ to part time workers who are in receipt of some benefits. All claimants earning less than the minimum wage for a 35 hour week will be forced to demonstrate that they are constantly looking for ‘more, or better paid’ work. Failure to comply could lead to workfare or in-work benefits being stopped.
Some part time workers at Jobcentres are likely to fall into this group, meaning that Jobcentre staff could be responsible for sending their colleagues, or even themselves, on workfare!
Whilst this will no doubt amuse some claimants, this is an opportunity to send solidarity to DWP staff who are often low paid and under huge pressure from management to police and harass claimants. It is true that in some parts of the DWP a toxic attitude towards claimants has developed, which has lead to some people on benefits being bullied or harassed by Jobcentre staff. It is equally true that Jobcentre staff often take a lot of shit from claimants.
Pretty disgusting that workers will be penalised for not getting enough hours or earning enough money.
What a load of nonsense.
Single application rather than several ones is more difficult?
Being able to update actual income monthly, so the benefits can be increased/decreased accordingly and more promptly .
Labour MP Frank Field criticising it because its TOO GENEROUS. For each £1 earned they keep a higher proportion of their existing benefits than they do currently.
Labour raised the idea of a single merged benefit in a 2009 report.
1) Is it doing what it claims it does
2) I doubt anyone would argue against a simplified system - the question is the purpose of this simplified system and whether it will meet it's stated purpose. Any idiot could cut the benefit bill at a stroke but it's far harder to do it sensibly.
See above. Will meaning nothing if you get sanctioned for not getting enough hours or pay.
No it's because you're STILL claiming benefits and not doing enough to change that. Why should people get away with doing a limited amount of hours and still expect to get benefits.
My was in response to comments specifically about disabled people.
No it's because you're STILL claiming benefits and not doing enough to change that. Why should people get away with doing a limited amount of hours and still expect to get benefits.
My was in response to comments specifically about disabled people.
Thanks I find myself a job after 6 weeks on job seekers and now you tell me it's not enough and I can't get help.>:(
No it's because you're STILL claiming benefits and not doing enough to change that. Why should people get away with doing a limited amount of hours and still expect to get benefits.
My was in response to comments specifically about disabled people.
Trouble is now arse licking the boss does not get you more hours or pay, what it can get you is working more hours without pay, the increase of people expected to do UNPAID overtime has shot up alot, now i wonder how that will work under UC, get the sack because you refuse to do unpaid overtime, or get some of your benefit took off you because you have not increased the amount of money you earn
No it's because you're STILL claiming benefits and not doing enough to change that. Why should people get away with doing a limited amount of hours and still expect to get benefits.
My was in response to comments specifically about disabled people.
Will the DWP be phoning up companies demanding they give this person more pay or more hours. Or will they just punish the person for not getting more hours or more pay. i bet i know which one they will be doing.
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No shit Sherlock - to date only the simplest cases have been on UC, newly signed on single people mainly plus a few couples, in short the sort of people who get the fewest benefits and who normally tend to find jobs quickly
Well saying under UC you can be punished for not earning enough money, because the company you work for will not increase your hours or give you a pay rise. First they came for the unemployed, then they came for the sick, then they came for the disabled, now they come for the low paid and underemployed. When do you think they might tackle the real problems like low pay and high rents, which are both out of the control of people
They're unlikely to do much about either, and I can't see Labour being much better. Far too much vested interest in keeping wages low and rents high when so many MPs (and donors) own or run businesses and invest in property.
This comment is something I don't understand, Universal Credit is perpetual state dependence.
I don't understand how anyone cannot see that.
This is what they wish to have, zero welfare of any description even if you are disabled. It's extreme ideology and impractical, but that won't stop them trying. The reality of it will still be very large numbers of people "on benefits", simply because low pay is the norm these days.
I would say they will do the same trick with healthcare, if they win in May of course.
So is he delusional or evil?
BTW what does Sunday have to do with finding a link to the DM????
Single application rather than several ones is more difficult?
Being able to update actual income monthly, so the benefits can be increased/decreased accordingly and more promptly .
Labour MP Frank Field criticising it because its TOO GENEROUS. For each £1 earned they keep a higher proportion of their existing benefits than they do currently.
Labour raised the idea of a single merged benefit in a 2009 report.
Sure about that?
A disabled worker for example under Universal Credit will lose £54 a week in tax credits as the disabled element of tax credits will be scrapped.
Many disabled workers cannot work full time hours due to their disability and rely on this extra payment to bring their wages up a little to go some way towards paying the bills.
Consequently IDS is removing the safety net for disabled workers who will be expected to look for more hours regardless of their health or disability.
Another 'group of people' thrown into the pit to fight it out for a few hours more.
And for the first time employed people can be punished for not earning enough money. Part-time workers claiming Universal Credit face punitive in-work benefit sanctions, it has been reported today.
Universal Credit claimants in part-time employment could see their Housing Benefit slashed, if they fail to increase their working hours to 35 hours per week on the minimum wage, reports Inside Housing.
The trial, quietly introduced through secondary legislation, will affect around 15,000 new Universal credit claimants earning less than £12,000 a year.
Sanctions currently only affect unemployed people in receipt of Jobseeker’s Allowance (JSA) or Employment and Support Allowance (ESA).
If the trial is rolled out across the country, thousands of hard-working people could see their in-work benefits docked for the very first time.
Universal Credit merges a number of existing benefits into one single monthly payment. This includes Housing Benefit, Working Tax Credit, Child Tax Credit, Income Support, JSA and ESA.
However, the Government’s flagship project has been beset by delays and problems with its IT systems. Official figures show 26,940 people were claiming Universal Credit by 11 December 2014.
The DWP is speeding up the roll-out of Universal Credit across Britain, in an apparent bid to prevent Labour from calling a halt to its introduction if they win the next general election.
Under the new mandatory pilot, which launches in April 2015, in-work Universal Credit claimants face the prospect of weekly sanctions – starting at around £29 per person.
Those affected by the trial will be offered ‘support’ from Jobcentre Plus to increase their pay and working hours. Failure to comply could result in sanctions. The PCS Union has revealed that around 40% of DWP staff who will be working on Universal Credit will be on the benefit themselves.
The huge re-orgainsation of both in and out of work benefits begins next April and will see Working Tax Credits, Local Housing Allowance, Jobseekers Allowance and Employment Support Allowance, all brought under control of Jobcentres.
Of concern to the PCS is that the new system will extend conditionality of ‘work related activity’ to part time workers who are in receipt of some benefits. All claimants earning less than the minimum wage for a 35 hour week will be forced to demonstrate that they are constantly looking for ‘more, or better paid’ work. Failure to comply could lead to workfare or in-work benefits being stopped.
Some part time workers at Jobcentres are likely to fall into this group, meaning that Jobcentre staff could be responsible for sending their colleagues, or even themselves, on workfare!
Whilst this will no doubt amuse some claimants, this is an opportunity to send solidarity to DWP staff who are often low paid and under huge pressure from management to police and harass claimants. It is true that in some parts of the DWP a toxic attitude towards claimants has developed, which has lead to some people on benefits being bullied or harassed by Jobcentre staff. It is equally true that Jobcentre staff often take a lot of shit from claimants.
We have been told no money for a pay rise so only pay rise will be if they are forced to increase minimum wage.
Oh joy of joys back to more fun with the DWP it was bad enough signing on.
2) I doubt anyone would argue against a simplified system - the question is the purpose of this simplified system and whether it will meet it's stated purpose. Any idiot could cut the benefit bill at a stroke but it's far harder to do it sensibly.
My
Thanks I find myself a job after 6 weeks on job seekers and now you tell me it's not enough and I can't get help.>:(
Trouble is now arse licking the boss does not get you more hours or pay, what it can get you is working more hours without pay, the increase of people expected to do UNPAID overtime has shot up alot, now i wonder how that will work under UC, get the sack because you refuse to do unpaid overtime, or get some of your benefit took off you because you have not increased the amount of money you earn
I don't think that it is a choice. See steveh31's post. There is no extra work. There are many in the same boat.
Will the DWP be phoning up companies demanding they give this person more pay or more hours. Or will they just punish the person for not getting more hours or more pay. i bet i know which one they will be doing.