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Now we´re at five, when does the Judge´s choice stop?
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I´m assuming that with five still in there still will be a bottom two:mad: but when does it stop?
For the final - can´t possibly be Len´s choice, could it?
For the semi - the judges vote a 1, 2, 3. Unless the public vote 3, 2, 1 - a 1 in 6 chance, then 3 is in the dance off and of course out.
For the quarter, it would be just about possible to save either the 3rd or the 4th player from the dance off - but also just about impossible to eliminate 1st or 2nd (unless the public vote 4,3,2,1).
ie: Unless the BBC changes the elimination after this week, then the chances are the judges will nominate the final two from the last four.
For the final - can´t possibly be Len´s choice, could it?
For the semi - the judges vote a 1, 2, 3. Unless the public vote 3, 2, 1 - a 1 in 6 chance, then 3 is in the dance off and of course out.
For the quarter, it would be just about possible to save either the 3rd or the 4th player from the dance off - but also just about impossible to eliminate 1st or 2nd (unless the public vote 4,3,2,1).
ie: Unless the BBC changes the elimination after this week, then the chances are the judges will nominate the final two from the last four.
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Well, the public did in 2005 - that's how Zoe came 3rd and Darren Gough wasn't eliminated despite coming 3rd on the judges' leaderboard. And Matt Dawson was 3rd in last year's judges' final 3 and still got through.
Emma was top of the judges' leaderboard in the quarters last year and still ended up in the bottom 2, as did Zoe the year before.
They can't, as they do not control the public vote. Some people have been saying that following Kelly's departure we're now looking at a definite Matt vs Alesha final, which I find strange given that we could easily find both of them against each other in the dance off as early as tonight!
i also think the show loses it slightly if there are only 2 in the final week. Last year was the same with Tarby out. I wish the judges would decide to stave off an eviction for one week and leave 3 in the final.. it makes the final show far more interesting adn enjoyable!
Yes she did - and made it through on the very first dance off. Louisa (59) and Matt (61) were the bottom 2 on the board - the public saved Matt at the expense of Louisa. With Emma and Mark top, the only way was the elimination of one of 3rd or 4th.
Last year came unstuck because there wasn´t a dance off in the semi. Matt was bottom, Emma 2nd, Mark 1st. Had there been a danceoff Matt was toast. The only result to save Matt, was him 1st, Emma 2nd, Mark 3rd - unlikely...
Not if they´re 1st and 2nd tonight and next week. Even if Gethin or Leticia polls best with the public the danceoff makes it virtually impossible to nobble either.
If they hold to that there is no point in voting in the semis then...
Totally agree with this!
It is very likely that there will be either Alesha or Matt in the final but way less chance of both of them being there! (I hope it is though!)
Usually the judges vote stops on semi final night, so they combined score will decide who gets to the final and the public vote will have more weighting!
However: The above used to apply to every week and the judges have only been "saving" since this year! So there are two possibilities that could happen if for example the public do vote opposite to the judges
Scenario A)
Alesha Judge: 4 Public 1
Matt Judge 3 Public 2
Letitia Judge 2 Public 3
Kenny Judge 1 Public 4
Just realised I left out Gethin and Camilla, sorry all their fans but this is just for illustration puposes anyway!
The bottom two would be Alesha and Matt (due to lower public vote) and the judges would pick Alesha (most probably)
Scenario
Same scores same people in the bottom two but Matt would go through for higher public vote!
In reality, the judges score doesn't really matter because if the public's fave is the worst dancer they will get through by merit of the public vote and the judges will have no say!
I think the judges will decide this week when we are splitting down to 3 but it will be 100% combined score (which actually means 100% public decision who will get to the final!)
I really hope the public come to their senses and get rid of Kenny this week, but I have a feeling it will be Letitia and Matt or Gethin in the bootom
The public will have final say in a semi final of three because if they vote opposite to the judges all three contestants will have the same points and the in the event of a tie the higher public vote counts! This means in this scenario one of the judges top two is eliminated! See my post above!
If the judges scores were 3,2,1 respectively for the three contestants then the three contestants' public votes could
(3,1,2) (3,2,1), (2,1,3), (2,3,1), (1,2,3),(1,3,2). Only the fifth scenario would result in the bottom of the judges' vote going through.
Alesha (3 judges, 2 viewers)
Matt (2 judges, 1 viewers)
Gethin (1 judges, 3 viewers)
That gives Alesha 5, Gethin 4, Matt 3
If they allow the dance-off then the judges eliminate Gethin despite him getting the most votes. Without the dance-off Matt goes home, which would be fairest given that Alesha is the best dancer and Gethin the most popular.
They really shouldn't allow a situation to occur where the public favourite goes home
1) You can't just go on statistics, because knowing the judges's scores affects the viewers' votes - the further down the list you are the more likely people will vote for you, if you're liked, so the person third with the judges is most likely to get the most votes.
2) I'd be against them choosing one of 2 in the final, because whoever is put into to the final by the judges will have very little chance of winning.
Really, I'd like a 3 person final. A two person final is going to be a walk-over for Alesha and (however lovely she is) boring, especially if the results are shown the day after, as some as suggesting. I think realistically a 3 person final now will be a walk-over for Alesha too, but there would be some tension between 2 and 3 and 3 show dances.
Oh I do hope you're wrong about Chris doing SCD - I've got tickets and couldn't bear to be anywhere near him trying to perform. Surely no self respecting professional would want to partner him on tour?
Well excuse me, that's just your opinion. I think Matt is the best dancer so in no way would I consider it fair if he went home.
Not wanting to put words in Saturn's mouth, but I think they meant in the example they gave, not necessarily in the competition itself..?
Why would you think that. I would expect that the judges would pick the best two dancers.
Really? After kicking Gabby out? I don't think so.
They would pick Matt, say, over Gethin even if Gethin performed better on the night because Gethin hasn't been as good as Matt consistently over the series. However, I would bet Gethin is higher in the public vote so he should get to the final, if this was the situation (of course).
No, it's true, seen the posters 2 weeks ago