Lib Dem claims pubs closing down because of Somali immigration
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2928065/Pubs-closing-traditional-working-class-areas-taken-Muslims-don-t-drink-claims-minister.html
Lib Dem MP claims pubs are closing due to Somali's replacing traditional white working class areas.
He says blanket protection of pubs is impossible.
A tory peer also claimed pubs were closing because of muslims.
Lib Dem MP claims pubs are closing due to Somali's replacing traditional white working class areas.
He says blanket protection of pubs is impossible.
A tory peer also claimed pubs were closing because of muslims.
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Pubs are closing because of high taxes, high rents and over intrusive regulations; but yeah let's blame Muslims.
Both seem to be in competition to make the most crass and stupid remark. This peer - when he enters the House of Lords does the average IQ drop.
Pubs are closing because the rules and taxation are making them uncompetitive, alongside cheap alcohol from supermarkets making the pub a costlier option.
Exactly. The best idea in my opinion is to increase alcohol duty on off sales but reduce on sales in pubs. Of course the supermarkets would scream blue murder and they have more lobbying power than the pubs.
Then you would put the smaller off licenses out of businesses and the supermarkets would just use alcohol as a loss leader (they do it already).
You could exempt shops below a certain size (I thought of that after making that post), but that would pee off the supermarkets even more...
I'm not one for giving a particular business an advantage over another (pro market rather than pro business) so I would be uneasy about that. If we actually had a properly level playing field, the smaller shops could actually compete.
Well, seeing as Muslims don't drink alcohol, does it not follow that pubs will have an especially hard time in an area with high densities of Muslims?
Or is that too much rocket science?
Two pubs actually opened here recently.
The Bristol LibDem appears to be in the wrong party.
And the pubs that have closed in my area in recent years? That has nothing to do with Muslims because there isn't a sizable Muslim population here. There are far more credible reasons for the closure of pubs than Muslims.
No, pubs are closing because consumers do not have enough money in their pockets.
Most people would go to the pub as a social event not due to the costs.
or they can buy their beer cheaper in Tesco.
The Daily Mail is shit-stirring. If you read carefully what he said, he was referring to specific areas that used to be white working class and are not anymore - due to non-drinking immigrants and/or gentrification bringing in non-drinking middle classes. He also seemed to be saying that publicans should accept their business model may not work in such areas anymore and should move/diversify.
(Yes, I know the middle classes do drink, but not much in spit 'n sawdust boozers:))
And drink it in pubs?
People go to pubs to be social.
And because of "white flight" in a lot of cases which for anyone who doesn't know, means that white people move out of areas when ethnic minorities move in. But thats all the fault of the "immigrants" as well isn't it?!
The increasing practice of pre-loading would support this
(Adds a :kitty: just in case that was taken at face value. You never know!)
Market forces, nothing more sinister. One of those things.
What is the cat meant to mean, is it sarcastic?
Of course, they'll then blame them for failing to integrate properly by not reducing their per capita beer consumption to proper British levels... :-)
'White flight' is a natural consequence of demographic changes. The LIbdem has a point. Shops will change. Pubs will go. Mosques will appear.
A resident has either to accept these cultural changes or go elsewhere.
Its happening, and has been happening , all over the country. Condemn it if you like, but only if you are one of the minority who chooses to stay and accept these changes as an improvement in your way of life.
Not sarcastic, more didn't want anyone to think I was serious.Would a
People just don't know what some are meant to mean now, I wish they would just bring back the roll eyes no one really took any proper offence by it at least not for long anyway, and we all knew what it meant and where we stood with it.
Well if 'white flight' is a reality, and there seems little doubt it is an identifiable phenomenon, then it does deserve to be considered as to why it is happening. You should not be confused by it.