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Nigel Farage to hold Pro-Union Rally in Glasgow

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Source: BBC Scotland

UKIP leader Nigel Farage is to address party supporters at a pro-Union rally in Glasgow ahead of the independence referendum.

The party, which is not involved in the official pro-Union Better Together campaign, said it wanted to show "the UK is one single united country".

The SNP described Mr Farage's visit as "a huge embarrassment and blow to the No campaign".

Better Together said that UKIP had "no part to play" in its campaign.

Mr Farage is to appear with UKIP Scottish MEP David Coburn and other elected members from England, Wales and Northern Ireland for the rally on September 12, six days before the referendum vote.

UKIP Scottish chairman Arthur Misty Thackeray said: "This rally is to show that the UK is one single united country, and we have our fellow Scots and Britons all over the UK who want us to stay together."

He added: "We are taking a more direct, straight talking, hard hitting defence of the Union as opposed to what our MEP David Coburn described as the 'wishy-washy' attitude of Better Together.

"That wishy-washy attitude was demonstrated quite perfectly by Jim Murphy deciding to abandon his speaking tour in the face of what is, quite frankly, violence and intimidation from the usual suspects on the other side.

"We take a position that we will not be intimidated off the streets, and if Jim wants any support on his speaking tour when he goes back out there we are happy to join him make sure he stays safe."

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Labour MP Jim Murphy suspended his 100 Towns in 100 Days tour on behalf of the Better Together campaign after he was hit by eggs while speaking in Kirkcaldy, Fife.

Mr Farage's own campaign appearances in Scotland have attracted protesters, including an incident last year when he was forced to take refuge in an Edinburgh pub before leaving the scene in a police van.

Mr Thackeray said the venue for the Glasgow rally would not be announced until the last minute "for security purposes - given the history".

SNP MSP Aileen McLeod said: "Nigel Farage campaigning against an independent Scotland is a huge embarrassment and blow to the No campaign.

"Westminster is dancing to a UKIP agenda, threatening to drag us out of Europe which jeopardises jobs and investment.

"Scotland needs to reject the politics of Nigel Farage and UKIP, which is another reason why a Yes vote next month is so important."

A Better Together spokesman said: "UKIP have no part to play in our campaign.

"We are campaigning against nationalist politics of division and grievance."



Both campaigns really do despise UKIP, wonder how many "students" Salmond will pay to chase Farage back down south like last time
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    David TeeDavid Tee Posts: 22,833
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    Left it a bit late, hasn't he?
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    mimik1ukmimik1uk Posts: 46,701
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    if he really wanted Scotland to remain in the UK he should just keep well away from the debate tbh
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    Nessun DormaNessun Dorma Posts: 12,846
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    UKIP leader Nigel Farage is to address party supporters at a pro-Union rally in Glasgow ahead of the independence referendum

    Well, this is going to be a very small gathering, I wonder if he has booked the snug in the local pub?

    Why does Farage spend the best part of his life trying to get the UK to split from the EU, on the premise that he doesn't want a remote and distant government deciding on the fate of his country and then go to Scotland to tell the Scots that they should vote for a remote and distant government deciding on the fate of their country?

    It does kind of stink of hypocrisy,
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    apaulapaul Posts: 9,846
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    At least it will increase egg sales.
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    DiscombobulateDiscombobulate Posts: 4,242
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    apaul wrote: »
    At least it will increase egg sales.

    .... and that is where the problem will come in for the Yes campaign if they don't have the sense to tell their goons to stay away.
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    Angels_babyAngels_baby Posts: 1,471
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    Oh dear! Not really helping BT is it!
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    Under SoulUnder Soul Posts: 2,989
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    UKIP won a Euro seat there so must have some support there. Plus so pre-judging and point scoring of the SNP to call it a huge embarrassment before he's even arrived.

    No doubt the egg throwing yobs will be out in full force.
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    TyrTyr Posts: 625
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    apaul wrote: »
    At least it will increase egg sales.

    It's Glasgow. I think they will be throwing more than just eggs.
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    Rick_DavisRick_Davis Posts: 1,104
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    It's Glasgow, they will throw everything but their **** and pints.
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    apaulapaul Posts: 9,846
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    If Farage really cared a jot about the union he'd keep well away until after the referendum. But if he were just an egotistical attention-seeker...
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    CSJBCSJB Posts: 6,188
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    UKIP leader Nigel Farage is to address party supporters at a pro-Union rally in Glasgow ahead of the independence referendum

    Well, this is going to be a very small gathering, I wonder if he has booked the snug in the local pub?

    Why does Farage spend the best part of his life trying to get the UK to split from the EU, on the premise that he doesn't want a remote and distant government deciding on the fate of his country and then go to Scotland to tell the Scots that they should vote for a remote and distant government deciding on the fate of their country?

    It does kind of stink of hypocrisy,

    Do you think that everyone who is in favour of Scottish independence and also support EU membership, are hypocrites ?
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    Nessun DormaNessun Dorma Posts: 12,846
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    CSJB wrote: »
    Do you think that everyone who is in favour of Scottish independence and also support EU membership, are hypocrites ?

    Errr......no........I don't and for the life of me, I can't see why you would have that impression. :confused:
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    BRITLAND wrote: »
    Source: BBC Scotland

    UKIP leader Nigel Farage is to address party supporters at a pro-Union rally in Glasgow ahead of the independence referendum.

    Well, that's the kiss of death, then...
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    CSJBCSJB Posts: 6,188
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    Errr......no........I don't and for the life of me, I can't see why you would have that impression. :confused:

    I suppose it must be hard to see things clearly when you specialise in double standards and muddled up thinking.

    I will try and clear things up for you.

    According to you if someone supports the union of the United Kingdom but not the European Union they are a hypocrite.
    If they support the European Union but not the union of the United Kingdom they aren't hypocrites. :confused:

    Or do these rules of yours only apply to Farage ?
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    JT2060JT2060 Posts: 5,370
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    Rick_Davis wrote: »
    It's Glasgow, they will throw everything but their **** and pints.

    Which is exactly what he wants.
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    BanglaRoadBanglaRoad Posts: 57,638
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    Just another media opportunity for Farage Instead of muscling into the independence debate why does he not tell people what UKIP has in store for prospective voters? Tell us your plans for income tax Nigel why don't you?
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    trunkstertrunkster Posts: 14,468
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    BRITLAND wrote: »
    Source: BBC Scotland

    UKIP leader Nigel Farage is to address party supporters at a pro-Union rally in Glasgow ahead of the independence referendum.

    The party, which is not involved in the official pro-Union Better Together campaign, said it wanted to show "the UK is one single united country".

    The SNP described Mr Farage's visit as "a huge embarrassment and blow to the No campaign".

    Better Together said that UKIP had "no part to play" in its campaign.

    Mr Farage is to appear with UKIP Scottish MEP David Coburn and other elected members from England, Wales and Northern Ireland for the rally on September 12, six days before the referendum vote.

    UKIP Scottish chairman Arthur Misty Thackeray said: "This rally is to show that the UK is one single united country, and we have our fellow Scots and Britons all over the UK who want us to stay together."

    He added: "We are taking a more direct, straight talking, hard hitting defence of the Union as opposed to what our MEP David Coburn described as the 'wishy-washy' attitude of Better Together.

    "That wishy-washy attitude was demonstrated quite perfectly by Jim Murphy deciding to abandon his speaking tour in the face of what is, quite frankly, violence and intimidation from the usual suspects on the other side.

    "We take a position that we will not be intimidated off the streets, and if Jim wants any support on his speaking tour when he goes back out there we are happy to join him make sure he stays safe."

    Protests
    Labour MP Jim Murphy suspended his 100 Towns in 100 Days tour on behalf of the Better Together campaign after he was hit by eggs while speaking in Kirkcaldy, Fife.

    Mr Farage's own campaign appearances in Scotland have attracted protesters, including an incident last year when he was forced to take refuge in an Edinburgh pub before leaving the scene in a police van.

    Mr Thackeray said the venue for the Glasgow rally would not be announced until the last minute "for security purposes - given the history".

    SNP MSP Aileen McLeod said: "Nigel Farage campaigning against an independent Scotland is a huge embarrassment and blow to the No campaign.

    "Westminster is dancing to a UKIP agenda, threatening to drag us out of Europe which jeopardises jobs and investment.

    "Scotland needs to reject the politics of Nigel Farage and UKIP, which is another reason why a Yes vote next month is so important."

    A Better Together spokesman said: "UKIP have no part to play in our campaign.

    "We are campaigning against nationalist politics of division and grievance."



    Both campaigns really do despise UKIP, wonder how many "students" Salmond will pay to chase Farage back down south like last time

    Great, more egg throwing and intimidating behaviour by the nationalists.
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    Nessun DormaNessun Dorma Posts: 12,846
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    CSJB wrote: »
    I suppose it must be hard to see things clearly when you specialise in double standards and muddled up thinking.

    Double standards? Seriously? You accuse me of double standards and go on and defend Farage? :o I am not sure if this is a funniest thing I have hard for a long time or the saddest.
    I will try and clear things up for you.

    According to you if someone supports the union of the United Kingdom but not the European Union they are a hypocrite.
    If they support the European Union but not the union of the United Kingdom they aren't hypocrites. :confused:

    Or do these rules of yours only apply to Farage ?

    You ought to be careful you don't cut yourself, they do say that Okham's Razor is as sharp as hell. ;-) Your non sequitur argument is irrelevant.

    Nonetheless, it might help to clear things up, if you actually answer the original question.

    Just in case you forgot it, here it is again:

    Why does Farage spend the best part of his life trying to get the UK to split from the EU, on the premise that he doesn't want a remote and distant government deciding on the fate of his country and then go to Scotland to tell the Scots that they should vote for a remote and distant government deciding on the fate of their country?
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    CoolSharpHarpCoolSharpHarp Posts: 7,565
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    Double standards? Seriously? You accuse me of double standards and go on and defend Farage? :o I am not sure if this is a funniest thing I have hard for a long time or the saddest.



    You ought to be careful you don't cut yourself, they do say that Okham's Razor is as sharp as hell. ;-) Your non sequitur argument is irrelevant.

    Nonetheless, it might help to clear things up, if you actually answer the original question.

    Just in case you forgot it, here it is again:

    Why does Farage spend the best part of his life trying to get the UK to split from the EU, on the premise that he doesn't want a remote and distant government deciding on the fate of his country and then go to Scotland to tell the Scots that they should vote for a remote and distant government deciding on the fate of their country?

    Cause not all unions are the same, unless you take the most simplistic view possible. Factors such as history, language, geography (we're a relatively small island), economies all come into play.
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    mimik1ukmimik1uk Posts: 46,701
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    maybe farage would prefer to see Scotland remain part of the UK rather than be an independent country in the EU
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    CSJBCSJB Posts: 6,188
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    Double standards? Seriously? You accuse me of double standards and go on and defend Farage? :o I am not sure if this is a funniest thing I have hard for a long time or the saddest.



    You ought to be careful you don't cut yourself, they do say that Okham's Razor is as sharp as hell. ;-) Your non sequitur argument is irrelevant.

    Nonetheless, it might help to clear things up, if you actually answer the original question.

    Just in case you forgot it, here it is again:

    Why does Farage spend the best part of his life trying to get the UK to split from the EU, on the premise that he doesn't want a remote and distant government deciding on the fate of his country and then go to Scotland to tell the Scots that they should vote for a remote and distant government deciding on the fate of their country?

    How can I answer a question for Farage ?
    Or one that is based on a false assertion ?:confused:

    Farage wants the UK to leave the EU because he believes it to be an organisation which is ultimately bad for the UK and its people.
    There are numerous reasons for this and i very much doubt that his views are based on your narrow "premise".

    Cause not all unions are the same, unless you take the most simplistic view possible. Factors such as history, language, geography (we're a relatively small island), economies all come into play.

    Indeed, they really aren't comparable.

    And importantly, the United Kingdom is devolving more powers to Scotland and will continue to do so,
    Whereas the EU is forever taking more powers, and will continue to do so.
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    Phil 2804Phil 2804 Posts: 21,846
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    Oh dear! Not really helping BT is it!

    What makes you think that? UKIP did surprising well in Scotland at the Euro's picking up the MEP seat that a few days beforehand Salmond had confidently boasted would go to the SNP.

    UKIP probably represent the politics of more Scots than any of the extremist left wing parties allied to the Yes campaign.
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    vauxhall1964vauxhall1964 Posts: 10,392
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    What with the planned Orange Lodge pro-Union rally and now Farage turning up I think we can say all YES's Christmas's have come at once!
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    KiteviewKiteview Posts: 9,246
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    CSJB wrote: »
    Whereas the EU is forever taking more powers, and will continue to do so.

    The EU doesn't "take" any power, it can only be granted them by the member states of the EU.

    Were it a case the EU could take powers, it could just take Westminster's powers to decide on the UK opt-out of Schengen and presumably would have done so by now (given that Schengen has operated successfully for the better part of twenty years).

    Westminster, on the other hand, most certainly can take powers from Scotland any time it sees fit. Indeed it did exactly that in the case of NI's government in the 70's when it scrapped it.
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    ImpingerImpinger Posts: 3,744
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    BRITLAND wrote: »

    SNP MSP Aileen McLeod said: "Nigel Farage campaigning against an independent Scotland is a huge embarrassment and blow to the No campaign.

    "Westminster is dancing to a UKIP agenda, threatening to drag us out of Europe which jeopardises jobs and investment.

    "Scotland needs to reject the politics of Nigel Farage and UKIP, which is another reason why a Yes vote next month is so important."

    That's the bit that grabs me. I've long thought the Scottish gov's desperation to be straight into the EU asap was because it doesn't believe it is truly viable "independent", and Aileen McLeod has, albeit inadvertently, just confirmed that.
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