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UKIP councillor abortion stance

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    BarrieWhizzo!BarrieWhizzo! Posts: 411
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    RacerWelsh wrote: »

    I completely agree with him 100%.
    I've said the same thing on here myself in the past!
    I don't see any benefit of bringing a mentally or severely physically disabled child into the world.
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    Phil 2804Phil 2804 Posts: 21,846
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    I completely agree with him 100%.
    I've said the same thing on here myself in the past!
    I don't see any benefit of bringing a mentally or severely physically disabled child into the world.

    Love.

    An alien concept to the extreme right of course.
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    tysonstormtysonstorm Posts: 24,609
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    I completely agree with him 100%.
    I've said the same thing on here myself in the past!
    I don't see any benefit of bringing a mentally or severely physically disabled child into the world.

    Can we extend this so that it applies to those on the Right Wing and the Far Right? clearly there's no benefit to society of having children growing up with Right Wing views. Infact many would see such conservative views as being mentally debilitating. ;)
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    tysonstormtysonstorm Posts: 24,609
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    Phil 2804 wrote: »
    Love.

    An alien concept to the extreme right of course.

    Well they love money, and racial purity. ;)
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    jmclaughjmclaugh Posts: 63,999
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    It isn't UKIP policy and he hasn't been elected a councillor or to UKIP's national executive committee. He is perfectly at liberty to voice his own opinions and on this one I believe he will find very little if any support for it. The decision on abortion is one for the parents, the medical profession and the law which will never include such forced abortions.
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    AftershowAftershow Posts: 10,021
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    redhatmatt wrote: »
    I thought UKIP subscribed to libertarianism. This isn't libertarianism at all.

    UKIP aren't libertarian, they just think it sounds good to claim that they are.
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    Sniffle774Sniffle774 Posts: 20,290
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    tysonstorm wrote: »
    Well they love money, and racial purity. ;)

    and shiny boots ?
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    Sniffle774Sniffle774 Posts: 20,290
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    jmclaugh wrote: »
    It isn't UKIP policy and he hasn't been elected a councillor or to UKIP's national executive committee. He is perfectly at liberty to voice his own opinions and on this one I believe he will find very little if any support for it. The decision on abortion is one for the parents, the medical profession and the law which will never include such forced abortions.

    I agree with this. Its a pretty abhorant opinion IMO but he is allowed to have it and unless its UKIP policy then he is not likely to get his views very far.
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    valkayvalkay Posts: 15,726
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    All this outrage from the left, aren't they the ones who are anti pro-life, and in favour abortions.?:confused:
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    Sniffle774Sniffle774 Posts: 20,290
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    valkay wrote: »
    All this outrage from the left, aren't they the ones who are anti pro-life, and in favour abortions.?:confused:

    Erm...difference dont you think between choosing to have an abortion and being forced to have one.
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    Phil 2804Phil 2804 Posts: 21,846
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    valkay wrote: »
    All this outrage from the left, aren't they the ones who are anti pro-life, and in favour abortions.?:confused:

    There is a difference from the liberal/left stance of pro-choice, which includes the obvious choice of continuing with the pregnancy, to the state forcing its citizens to terminate pregnancies.

    If you don't understand the difference then you should have tried harder at school.
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    WhiteFangWhiteFang Posts: 3,970
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    Aftershow wrote: »
    UKIP aren't libertarian, they just think it sounds good to claim that they are.

    They are the most libertarian of all the mainstream Parties. People power by rererenda is liberty.
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    KNIGTHOUTKNIGTHOUT Posts: 779
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    WhiteFang wrote: »
    They are the most libertarian of all the mainstream Parties.

    They appear to have joined the USA free market propagandasts in claiming to be libertarian, but are not libertarian in the traditional European sense.

    Noam Chomsky.
    'Libertarian' throughout European history meant 'socialist-anarchist.' The worker's movement--the socialist movement--sort of broke into 2 branches, one statist, one anti-statist. The statist branch led to Bolshevism and Lenin and Trotsky and so on; the anti-statist branch, which included left-Marxists like Rosa Luxumberg, kind of merged with a big strain of anarchism into what was called 'libertarian socialism.' So 'libertarian' in Europe always meant 'socialist.'
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    wallsterwallster Posts: 17,609
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    WhiteFang wrote: »
    They are the most libertarian of all the mainstream Parties. People power by rererenda is liberty.

    If UKIP were truly libertarian, they would not object to gay marriage.
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    AftershowAftershow Posts: 10,021
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    WhiteFang wrote: »
    They are the most libertarian of all the mainstream Parties.

    They are not libertarian.

    Farage is delighted that they could benefit from the fall-out over the legalisation of gay marriage. Some libertarian.
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    allaortaallaorta Posts: 19,050
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    wallster wrote: »
    If UKIP were truly libertarian, they would not object to gay marriage.

    Strange logic.
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    AftershowAftershow Posts: 10,021
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    allaorta wrote: »
    Strange logic.

    It's actually perfectly correct logic.
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    allaortaallaorta Posts: 19,050
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    Aftershow wrote: »
    It's actually perfectly correct logic.

    To you it would be.
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    wallsterwallster Posts: 17,609
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    allaorta wrote: »
    Strange logic.

    Do you understand the meaning of libertarian?:confused:
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    allaortaallaorta Posts: 19,050
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    wallster wrote: »
    Do you understand the meaning of libertarian?:confused:

    See post #39.
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    jason81jason81 Posts: 169
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    One thing no one has even said, is within an hour of this coming out UKIP suspended him and issued a statement that he would never stand as a UKIP representative again due to his comments.
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    redhatmattredhatmatt Posts: 5,197
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    allaorta wrote: »
    Strange logic.

    Libertarianism is about getting rid of all laws except laws regarding security and property as well as laws that facilitate peoples ability to make choices. Since no-one is forced to get married, then it would be upto the choice.

    libertarianism taken to its extreme would also allow marriage between humans and property, Humans and animals and adults and children
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    VoynichVoynich Posts: 14,481
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    valkay wrote: »
    All this outrage from the left, aren't they the ones who are anti pro-life, and in favour abortions.?:confused:

    :eek:You're confused! That's worrying that you can't see the difference between being forced to have an abortion and choosing to have one. Does the difference between having sex with someone and being raped confuse you also? They're both sexual intercourse, right?
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    ItsNickItsNick Posts: 3,711
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    At the end of the day he's entitled to his opinion but remember this is just ONE person. This is not the whole party's view on it. So before all the lefties start getting hysterical over this just remember there are MPs from ALL parties that have got certain views on things which they know 99% of the public disagree with.
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    redhatmattredhatmatt Posts: 5,197
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    I cannot see any situation apart from perhaps where the mother is in a coma and continuing the pregnancy will endanger her life where a forced abortion is justifiable.
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