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thorterr
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just a thought........
Given that the time war is timelocked and amy and rory are timelocked in new york
does that mean that throughout time the doctor cant bump into time lords or a previous jacobi master or even amy and rory
but i think he can ,,river met rory(in his roman gear) knowing that he was already timelocked in new york
surely the time lords where roaming about other planets and saving people and changing lives ,,or is this too deep and complicated to try to work out lol
Given that the time war is timelocked and amy and rory are timelocked in new york
does that mean that throughout time the doctor cant bump into time lords or a previous jacobi master or even amy and rory
but i think he can ,,river met rory(in his roman gear) knowing that he was already timelocked in new york
surely the time lords where roaming about other planets and saving people and changing lives ,,or is this too deep and complicated to try to work out lol
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Hence why we have heard other characters refer to them as legends, some other races like the Kryllitanes can remember them but it would seem most alien races only know of them because they had past conflicts with the Doctor.
I guess it's similar to things being removed from having ever existed by the crack, some people who were at the heart of events have a vague recollection but no memories of the Time Lords.
Those that were on Gallifrey are locked at the moment of their destruction.
The Timelords are 'Time Locked' in a permanant stasis, essentially existing in one fixed moment, forever, in a pocket universe that exists outside of time (like being trapped in amber).
Whereas Amy & Rory do exist within time & space, (New York in the 1930's - to be precise) - but the Doctor can't visit or rescue them - as with the removal of the Angels' New York colony from throughout time, the resultant paradoxes across New York - of the angel's removal and thier victims return - are so numerous - that any additional interference might rip apart the fabric of time & space.
This doesn't explain however, why the Doctor couldn't simply land in New Jersey and pick up the Ponds from there. This is why their exit still annoys me GIGANTICLY to this day. :mad:
Rory and Amy aren't timelocked in that manner as they still experience the passing of time. What they are is embedded so they can't time travel.
I've been past that cemetery, when I went to new York. You don't even need to go to jersey, queen's would have done. Half hour cab drive away.....
Ridiculous!!!
Worst. Inescapable. Fate. Ever.
So TOTALLY escapable.
All he actually has to ensure is that they are dropped off in 1970/80s New York in their old age so that they can live out their last few years there.
The plot device of book saying "and they never met each other again" has to be one of the laziest conclusions I've ever seen.
http://www.gateworld.net/sg1/s6/612.shtml
The 2005+ storyline for Dr Who has yet to establish the type of contrivance used to create a Time Bubble - it may be a similar type to the Time Dilation Device deployed by the Asgard in Stargate SG1 (lets not be churlish to Russel T Davies in presuming that he was watching Stargate SG1 during 2003, or even suggest that someone, having watched the earlier Star Trek Enterprise, thought that the idea of a Time War would be a neat idea.
And because it's a fixed point and couldn't be altered, it had to be written that way. Timey wimey stuff.
Of course, it still doesn't make sense.
Apparently this one couldn't because, as I said, it had already been read and acted upon by the Doctor.
so rory and amy's son visits brian and tells him all about them ,,,how can that happen?
He's able to travel by normal methods.
I've never understood this nonsense about "having been written and read it becomes immutable". You can write anything in a book. it doesn't have to be true so why would reading something that someone else could have entirely fabricated make it inevitable?
:rolleyes:
Okay then, revised - with later updated editions published.
Because Moffat hadn't thought out the obvious, multiple flaws in his 'inescapable fate' scenario.
Amy & Rory weren't Time Locked. They were stranded in an ealier time, which eventually lead to the present day - when thier son finally visited Brian. (But only after Amy & Rory had left the present day for the final time, so as not to disturb established timelines.)
Moffat is the head writer. He's used to whatever he writes becoming immutable.
I hope no one is expecting me to answer these posts because I haven't a clue how a book can be a fixed point.
It just is, in this particular case.
thats llife things dontt always go the dr's way and makes for aan interesting storrry
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I understood that her being able to see them in the 30s was because it was already part of River's future ie she had already written that book in her future and it had already been published by Amy and Rory. Basically, River was making a mental note to make sure she asks Amy to put in the Afterward. She wasn't off to change history, she was already part of it!
Being impossible is only part of it - the Doctor does the impossible every day - but it would be selfish.
Oh, and I should mention that Amy and Rory weren't timelocked.
Suuure everyone from Davros to his wicked step sister can get through the "lock" but none of those nasty Time Lords will ever get through. We hate them, they suck.
Sure, let's create a "sorta but not" Time Lord in River Song...but don't ever expect someone like Romana to ever appear, even though her survival would make more sense than the Master's. Time Lords suck, after all.
And let's create a sexy "Time Agency" with those strapping wristbands that travel through time and costumes that look like they were left over from Adam and the Ants...but no Time Lords please, they suck.
That's what "Time Locked" means.
The Time Agency was created in 1977 for a Tom Baker story.
Or are you implying the Agency only got Sexy under RTD?