There's nothing to discuss the phone is exactly the same as the last one with the addition of a novelty fingerprint scanner
And the faster processer, better battery life, improved camera etc. so whilst not a huge amount has changed its hardly "exactly" the same....things can't be "exactly" the same if they have additions......anyway carry on.
And the faster processer, better battery life, improved camera etc. so whilst not a huge amount has changed its hardly "exactly" the same....things can't be "exactly" the same if they have additions......anyway carry on.
Average iPhone user won't notice or care hence the non-discussion going on here.
Average iPhone user won't notice or care hence the non-discussion going on here.
I rarely wade into the "what's the best phone debate" or the "let's all hate Apple" debate as I find them incredibly dull...,I was just pointing out a small fact.
Average iPhone user won't notice or care hence the non-discussion going on here.
I'm an average iPhone user and I've seen a huge difference between my iPhone 5 and 5s. Especially the battery life which is much better and the gerneral increased speeds accessing Apps and Safari.
I'm an average iPhone user and I've seen a huge difference between my iPhone 5 and 5s. Especially the battery life which is much better and the gerneral increased speeds accessing Apps and Safari.
Same here, but I've only ever had an iPhone 4 before so I guess I would notice a big improvement!
You do realise that any security system has flaws? Somebody could far more easily look over your shoulder as you're typing in your passcode. You do also realise that IOS7 does not allow phones to be wiped/reused without the users' Apple ID and pass?
The fact is this 'flaw' with Touch ID requires the person to have access to a perfect copy of the fingerprint used to unlocked your phone (you can only have four), have access to the technology to photograph, clean up, and reproduce the print, and have access to your phone; and the moment you notice your phone is missing you can remotely track/block it within seconds.
I've never heard such a ridiculous argument before in my life.
isnt the problem with fingerprint tech the fact that once someone has hacked it the security is gone .... forever ....
someone discovers your PIN - you change it.
someone discovers your pattern - you change it.
fingerprints (and faces to a degree) cant be changed .....
now for the average man/woman on the street probably not an issue - but for anyone wanting genuine security, and being in a position where someone would put time and effort into breaking your security, its a pretty easy one to crack.
isnt the problem with fingerprint tech the fact that once someone has hacked it the security is gone .... forever ....
someone discovers your PIN - you change it.
someone discovers your pattern - you change it.
fingerprints (and faces to a degree) cant be changed .....
now for the average man/woman on the street probably not an issue - but for anyone wanting genuine security, and being in a position where someone would put time and effort into breaking your security, its a pretty easy one to crack.
It isn't easy at all despite some peoples examples wihout providing proof.
As an iPhone user I thought you would be more adept at accessing information on the internet
I was hoping you could talk me through it as a typical opportunistic thief, rather than the very specific controlled environment that was written about on the net.
It isn't easy at all despite some peoples examples wihout providing proof.
no. im not saying its a 5 minute job. but taking the recent spate of celeb phone hacking. im sure that someone out there would be prepared to put a little time and effort into cloning celeb/politician fingerprints ..... once someone has a copy of your fingerprint you cant go out and change it again.
touch ID is at best useful for low level security - at worst its a little worrying IMHO. Biometrics really shouldnt be 'played with'.
I was hoping you could talk me through it as a typical opportunistic thief, rather than the very specific controlled environment that was written about on the net.
Controlled environment? I have all the stuff to do that at my work which is a hotel!!
You know when any exploit is found, it only gets easier to do right?
Point is i guess is it's not even close to as secure as apple made out.
How secure did Apple make it out to be?
IIRC they made a big play about how many people (around 50%) don't bother using a passcode. And that Touch ID's main goal was, as much as anything, to make it more convenient so that more people would at least have some security rather than none.
Until then, me and millions of others are thrilled with the fingerprint ID.
i do think its a great little novelty item at face value. i just worry that if its not been made secure enough then it screws up fingerprint biometric use forever. someone figures out how to harvest all the apple fingerprint data and thats fingerprint use for online banking (etc) knackered. All for a quick unlock.
and thats not a dig at Apple - same goes for the HTC One Max (with fingerprint) and Dell laptops etc. Dont forget Apple arent the first to do this. Look at the recent news about the US monitoring calls and texts - stuff happens !
no. im not saying its a 5 minute job. but taking the recent spate of celeb phone hacking. im sure that someone out there would be prepared to put a little time and effort into cloning celeb/politician fingerprints ..... once someone has a copy of your fingerprint you cant go out and change it again.
touch ID is at best useful for low level security - at worst its a little worrying IMHO. Biometrics really shouldnt be 'played with'.
TouchID is an addition to pass codes and passwords (not instead of). It's more about convenience. Even if you can defeat the fingerprint reader, if you take too long, mess it up too many times, significantly change geographic position, let the battery run down, reboot the phone, or try and turn off location tracking or disable any security feature you will be forced to enter your password.
IIRC they made a big play about how many people (around 50%) don't bother using a passcode. And that Touch ID's main goal was, as much as anything, to make it more convenient so that more people would at least have some security rather than none.
I just worry that biometrics being stored for convenience factor is a very low key use for something quite so important. But im guessing we will disagree.
IIRC they made a big play about how many people (around 50%) don't bother using a passcode. And that Touch ID's main goal was, as much as anything, to make it more convenient so that more people would at least have some security rather than none.
They also said this which was probably nonsense and sheer guess work.
Quick question. Do you actually have to use the fingerprint scanner? Or can it be turned off?
TouchID is an addition to pass codes and passwords (not instead of). It's more about convenience. Even if you can defeat the fingerprint reader, if you take too long, mess it up too many times, significantly change geographic position, let the battery run down, reboot the phone, or try and turn off location tracking or disable any security feature you will be forced to enter your password.
So if someone clones my fingerprint they also need to enter a PIN ? I wasnt aware it worked that way ?
i do think its a great little novelty item at face value. i just worry that if its not been made secure enough then it screws up fingerprint biometric use forever. someone figures out how to harvest all the apple fingerprint data and thats fingerprint use for online banking (etc) knackered. All for a quick unlock.
and thats not a dig at Apple - same goes for the HTC One Max (with fingerprint) and Dell laptops etc. Dont forget Apple arent the first to do this. Look at the recent news about the US monitoring calls and texts - stuff happens !
Since the fingerprint is stored locally on the phone and isn't backed up to the cloud, nobody's going to harvest all the Apple fingerprints.
It's more about convenience than security. It provides the same level of security as a passcode lock but saves time, particularly as it can also be used for iTunes and App Store purchases.
It's worked really well for me so far, anyway. I just press the home button as I normally would to unlock, then keep my thumb on the button and I'm straight in. The whole thing takes under a second and is tied to an action that I would have taken anyway.
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You know when any exploit is found, it only gets easier to do right?
Point is i guess is it's not even close to as secure as apple made out.
And the faster processer, better battery life, improved camera etc. so whilst not a huge amount has changed its hardly "exactly" the same....things can't be "exactly" the same if they have additions......anyway carry on.
Average iPhone user won't notice or care hence the non-discussion going on here.
I rarely wade into the "what's the best phone debate" or the "let's all hate Apple" debate as I find them incredibly dull...,I was just pointing out a small fact.
I'm an average iPhone user and I've seen a huge difference between my iPhone 5 and 5s. Especially the battery life which is much better and the gerneral increased speeds accessing Apps and Safari.
Same here, but I've only ever had an iPhone 4 before so I guess I would notice a big improvement!
Asked and answered.
As an iPhone user I thought you would be more adept at accessing information on the internet
isnt the problem with fingerprint tech the fact that once someone has hacked it the security is gone .... forever ....
someone discovers your PIN - you change it.
someone discovers your pattern - you change it.
fingerprints (and faces to a degree) cant be changed .....
now for the average man/woman on the street probably not an issue - but for anyone wanting genuine security, and being in a position where someone would put time and effort into breaking your security, its a pretty easy one to crack.
It isn't easy at all despite some peoples examples wihout providing proof.
Like i said, when an exploit is found, it only ever gets easier in time.
Until then, me and millions of others are thrilled with the fingerprint ID.
I was hoping you could talk me through it as a typical opportunistic thief, rather than the very specific controlled environment that was written about on the net.
no. im not saying its a 5 minute job. but taking the recent spate of celeb phone hacking. im sure that someone out there would be prepared to put a little time and effort into cloning celeb/politician fingerprints ..... once someone has a copy of your fingerprint you cant go out and change it again.
touch ID is at best useful for low level security - at worst its a little worrying IMHO. Biometrics really shouldnt be 'played with'.
Good for you...
Controlled environment? I have all the stuff to do that at my work which is a hotel!!
How secure did Apple make it out to be?
IIRC they made a big play about how many people (around 50%) don't bother using a passcode. And that Touch ID's main goal was, as much as anything, to make it more convenient so that more people would at least have some security rather than none.
i do think its a great little novelty item at face value. i just worry that if its not been made secure enough then it screws up fingerprint biometric use forever. someone figures out how to harvest all the apple fingerprint data and thats fingerprint use for online banking (etc) knackered. All for a quick unlock.
and thats not a dig at Apple - same goes for the HTC One Max (with fingerprint) and Dell laptops etc. Dont forget Apple arent the first to do this. Look at the recent news about the US monitoring calls and texts - stuff happens !
TouchID is an addition to pass codes and passwords (not instead of). It's more about convenience. Even if you can defeat the fingerprint reader, if you take too long, mess it up too many times, significantly change geographic position, let the battery run down, reboot the phone, or try and turn off location tracking or disable any security feature you will be forced to enter your password.
I just worry that biometrics being stored for convenience factor is a very low key use for something quite so important. But im guessing we will disagree.
Very secure.
http://support.apple.com/kb/HT5949
They also said this which was probably nonsense and sheer guess work.
Quick question. Do you actually have to use the fingerprint scanner? Or can it be turned off?
So if someone clones my fingerprint they also need to enter a PIN ? I wasnt aware it worked that way ?
Since the fingerprint is stored locally on the phone and isn't backed up to the cloud, nobody's going to harvest all the Apple fingerprints.
It's more about convenience than security. It provides the same level of security as a passcode lock but saves time, particularly as it can also be used for iTunes and App Store purchases.
It's worked really well for me so far, anyway. I just press the home button as I normally would to unlock, then keep my thumb on the button and I'm straight in. The whole thing takes under a second and is tied to an action that I would have taken anyway.
You can have no security, or a passcode, or Touch ID (with a passcode).
You don't have to activate it if you don't want to. You can just carry on using a passcode (or not)