I thought seasons six and seven were crap, but season five and the anniversary episode were fantastic, so if they'd cancelled the show after DT left, I obviously would have missed those, so even though the episodes haven't always been good, I'm glad they kept the show going.
A bit harsh,I don't think there have been any crap seasons..
I never thought Ecclestone was quite a proper Doctor
I didn't like the Rose/Doctor love stuff
And the whole Clara who is she? arc just got on my nerves.
But I've still enjoyed every season since it came back.It's remained overall great:)
To be honest, Tennant leaving wasn't the problem for me. Absolutely adored Tennant - he made me love the show when I was about 13 but it felt like he left at the right time - his Doctor's story was done. Always loved Smith, but couldn't warm to Amy at all and Moffatt's style has continually got on my nerves (its like a love/ hate relationship - at his best the show is excellent, but at his worst its boring nonsense). Only just got back into the show from the from the first half of series 7 and especially once Amy left, but Smith's last episode was so terrible I've actually lost excitement for the show again - even with Capaldi on the way (fantastic actor but honestly don't like the idea of him in this particular role at all.)
Overall glad it has continued though. There have been some brilliant episodes throughout the series. I've just lost that feeling recently that event the worst episodes can be saved by brilliant moments and a love for the characters - its not quite been the same since RTDs left.
A bit harsh,I don't think there have been any crap seasons..
I never thought Ecclestone was quite a proper Doctor
I didn't like the Rose/Doctor love stuff
And the whole Clara who is she? arc just got on my nerves.
But I've still enjoyed every season since it came back.It's remained overall great:)
Wouldnt have been so bad it they cancelled it considering they wouldnt give us a proper real multi doctor story anyway!
BBC Big Wigs - Ahhh. Russell you old slag, just a quick brain fart old chap.
This Tennant bloke was rather ridiculously popular. Do you think the show can continue without him? After all Tv isn't like it was 50 years ago.
RTD - Why of course.
Both at same time - Hurrah.
BBC Big Wigs - Well Good day sir.
RTD - Good day.
If you like Tennant, you're an irrational fangirl.
If you like Smith, you're a true Doctor Who fan. Definitely not any sort of fangirl.
(Just so you know what sort of reaction to expect - unpredictable it ain't).
The " my doctors better than your doctor" debate just never dies down on this forum. David Tennant fans do seem get a hard time on this forum. I really don't get it. Why do you have to be a "fangirl " to like david's interpretation ? He was incredibly successful and as an attractive man played a more romantic hero type which appealed to a wider female demographic so that s great isn't it ?
Doesn't mean they can be described as fan girls because they don't like a different person in the role. I mean I liked Michael Praed in Robin of Sherwood years ago but when he left I didn't enjoy Jason Connery as much who replaced him.
Moffat's comments are so understandable with his natural nervousness at taking over from his predecessor. I would have really loved to see Moffat write a whole season for David Tennant just to see where he might have taken it.
The " my doctors better than your doctor" debate just never dies down on this forum. David Tennant fans do seem get a hard time on this forum. I really don't get it. Why do you have to be a "fangirl " to like david's interpretation ? He was incredibly successful and as an attractive man played a more romantic hero type which appealed to a wider female demographic so that s great isn't it ?
Doesn't mean they can be described as fan girls because they don't like a different person in the role. I mean I liked Michael Praed in Robin of Sherwood years ago but when he left I didn't enjoy Jason Connery as much who replaced him. .
It seems a few posters on this forum work themselves up into a tizzy by having arguments with a few teenage girls on you tube or wherever. They then come here and treat everyone with even the remotest criticism or genuine preference as Tennant Fangirls.
The irony is these posters are far worse than any Tennant fangirl. Just look how many times they cram it into their posts, even when no other poster has actual said anything. I would suggest they are the ones with the 'fangirl'fanboy' problem and not any fans of Matt Smith/Tennant/Moffat/RTD ..whoever on here.
But of course, as I am sure you have noticed it is fine for them to moan about episodes and series they do not like.
The irony is these posters are far worse than any Tennant fangirl.
Dont. Just... please don't. For every irrational anti-Tennant screamer, there's an irrational anti-Smith moaner. Neither are worse, or more horrible, or more prevalent than the other. The only thing we can do is choose not to be one of them.
. For every irrational anti-Tennant screamer, there's an irrational anti-Smith moaner. Neither are worse, or more horrible, or more prevalent than the other.
I beg to disagree when applied to the DS Who forum.
Maybe some need to keep their little social media tiffs with little girls on the sites they first read them and quit applying it to posters here.:)
Saladfingers thinking his opinion is fact when trying to lecture someone else on their own opinions.
*facepalm*
I don't know if you've ever been on this forum before (joke - I know you both have), but you might not have come across salad's postings before (joke - I am definite you will have). He tends to be humourous, and often uses sarcasm to illuminate the point he's making.
It seems you are unaware of the sarcasm very evident in that post you have quoted from. Just to make you aware - there was heavy sarcasm in the post you were quoting from.
(and, just to let you know, this post from myself also has a helping...)
Nothing like a bit of passive aggressive posting to reveal someone's true nature.
FYI. I don't ever engage in direct communication with squealing fan girls or fan boys of any doctor or era. I just happen to acknowledge their existence.
For instance a vehement pro-RTD and anti-Moffat person was retweeted onto my timeline yesterday by someone I was following. I did not seek it out. Quite frankly I would rather not read such drivel. But I cant pretend I didn't and I wont pretend the post didn't exist and indeed I shan't pretend it didn't contain a rather nasty and vicious threat of violence against the showrunner from a twenty something female fan of the show.
These people exist. They are a minority. But it doesn't take too long if you engage in fandom in any way at all online to come across them.
A 'Doctor Who' fan there with rather alot of followers and who writes for an online sci-fi website. So not the squealing teenybopper stereotype.
Cant say I've read this sort of thing about RTD. And it isn't rare. Hence why Moffat quit social media. Of course someone will now move the goalposts and say 'dont go on Twitter'. That's not the point. The point is this stuff is out there.
I was quite fond of Matt's Doctor (although its worth noting my favourite 11th Doctor story is "Death of the Doctor").
I do think Moffat's comments are more about a perception that there were people within the BBC who were worried whether the show could move on after Tennant - I cannot imagine anyone at the BBC was really stupid enough to talk about cancellation.
Cant say I've read this sort of thing about RTD. And it isn't rare. Hence why Moffat quit social media. Of course someone will now move the goalposts and say 'dont go on Twitter'. That's not the point. The point is this stuff is out there.
There's lots of extreme and noisy opinions out there. It's our job to not let them colour our view of everyone else.
There's lots of extreme and noisy opinions out there. It's our job to not let them colour our view of everyone else.
Oh i don't. Its why i stay on Twitter because I have some great Whovian friends who have a fair and balanced discussion about the show. I suppose its that thing about a very loud and vocal minority who like to be heard.
And I don't think its exclusively Anti-Moffat fans. No doubt a day will come when vehement pro-Moffat fans will turn on the next Show runner whoever that might be.
But it does seem Moffat seems to have upset a certain section of fandom who choose to paint him in a way that just doesn't tally for me with the reality. Sure. Criticise his work all you like but its the personal stuff like I posted above that baffles and annoys me.
As someone who works in TV, what SM describes is no surprise. However much one might dislike TV executives (and, Hell, I've had enough of some of them!) they are paid to make decisions. And when the star of a series chooses to leave, they always have to decide if the show should continue or not. The nuclear option - cancellation - will always be considered. That doesn't mean anyone did seriously consider cancelling Dr. Who. But the question would have been asked. It would be odd if it wasn't.
And I don't think its exclusively Anti-Moffat fans. No doubt a day will come when vehement pro-Moffat fans will turn on the next Show runner whoever that might be.
Oh, they will. Moffat happened to hit the sweet spot that I like in my storytelling, even when it went slightly off the rails, I loved it. And I've no doubt that the next showrunner will have their own style. Perhaps more traditional, perhaps more wacky - but I doubt it'll be the same formula that works for me. But I hope any criticism, or adulation, I have will be taken and debated in the spirit intended.
A 'Doctor Who' fan there with rather alot of followers and who writes for an online sci-fi website. So not the squealing teenybopper stereotype.
Cant say I've read this sort of thing about RTD. And it isn't rare. Hence why Moffat quit social media. Of course someone will now move the goalposts and say 'dont go on Twitter'. That's not the point. The point is this stuff is out there.
Funny, I was just reading the comments on a DWTV article which was about Moffat's words in DWM.
“Ah, all the things I’ve never said. I could write a book, full of words I never wrote. I’m used to a foot in my mouth, but on the whole I’d prefer it was my own.
“The other morning I woke up to several online newspaper editions announcing I’d called all the Doctors ugly. That one set me blinking. As you know, I am an icon of male beauty (dear Man In New York, we Brits call that a joke), but that seemed a bit off.
“A quick investigation – it turned out me declaring that the Doctors were all “not conventionally attractive” (my own ripped physique allows me such imperious judgements) had been lightly processed into the kind of clickbait that means you have to email your friends.
“Ho hum. Just another day’s blundering. And sometimes, in my paranoia and embarrassment, I wonder if I’m just making everybody cross all the time. I used to do that socially on an individual basis, but now every screw-up goes viral. My epic lack of tact has been weaponised!”
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And I bet you weren't even drunk...
I never thought Ecclestone was quite a proper Doctor
I didn't like the Rose/Doctor love stuff
And the whole Clara who is she? arc just got on my nerves.
But I've still enjoyed every season since it came back.It's remained overall great:)
Overall glad it has continued though. There have been some brilliant episodes throughout the series. I've just lost that feeling recently that event the worst episodes can be saved by brilliant moments and a love for the characters - its not quite been the same since RTDs left.
Wouldnt have been so bad it they cancelled it considering they wouldnt give us a proper real multi doctor story anyway!
We didnt need it though. It should have been left until Capaldi's Sucessor had finished.
Well, between series and so little new stuff for the forum to feed on, I think your dedication to the cause is to be admired.
Thank-you for making me laugh out loud at this
The " my doctors better than your doctor" debate just never dies down on this forum. David Tennant fans do seem get a hard time on this forum. I really don't get it. Why do you have to be a "fangirl " to like david's interpretation ? He was incredibly successful and as an attractive man played a more romantic hero type which appealed to a wider female demographic so that s great isn't it ?
Doesn't mean they can be described as fan girls because they don't like a different person in the role. I mean I liked Michael Praed in Robin of Sherwood years ago but when he left I didn't enjoy Jason Connery as much who replaced him.
Moffat's comments are so understandable with his natural nervousness at taking over from his predecessor. I would have really loved to see Moffat write a whole season for David Tennant just to see where he might have taken it.
It seems a few posters on this forum work themselves up into a tizzy by having arguments with a few teenage girls on you tube or wherever. They then come here and treat everyone with even the remotest criticism or genuine preference as Tennant Fangirls.
The irony is these posters are far worse than any Tennant fangirl. Just look how many times they cram it into their posts, even when no other poster has actual said anything. I would suggest they are the ones with the 'fangirl'fanboy' problem and not any fans of Matt Smith/Tennant/Moffat/RTD ..whoever on here.
But of course, as I am sure you have noticed it is fine for them to moan about episodes and series they do not like.
It became tiresome a long time ago
Just did.
I beg to disagree when applied to the DS Who forum.
Maybe some need to keep their little social media tiffs with little girls on the sites they first read them and quit applying it to posters here.:)
Believe me, both 'sides' think they're in the minority, and being unfairly persecuted. There are no underdogs.
I don't know if you've ever been on this forum before (joke - I know you both have), but you might not have come across salad's postings before (joke - I am definite you will have). He tends to be humourous, and often uses sarcasm to illuminate the point he's making.
It seems you are unaware of the sarcasm very evident in that post you have quoted from. Just to make you aware - there was heavy sarcasm in the post you were quoting from.
(and, just to let you know, this post from myself also has a helping...)
Glad I could be of service.
Or maybe they should be spending more time doing their GCSE's than wasting it on twitter.
Yeah, bloody kids. Grrrrrrr
FYI. I don't ever engage in direct communication with squealing fan girls or fan boys of any doctor or era. I just happen to acknowledge their existence.
For instance a vehement pro-RTD and anti-Moffat person was retweeted onto my timeline yesterday by someone I was following. I did not seek it out. Quite frankly I would rather not read such drivel. But I cant pretend I didn't and I wont pretend the post didn't exist and indeed I shan't pretend it didn't contain a rather nasty and vicious threat of violence against the showrunner from a twenty something female fan of the show.
These people exist. They are a minority. But it doesn't take too long if you engage in fandom in any way at all online to come across them.
I want every woman Steven Moffat knows to call him up and tell him that he's a stupid entitled little boy & then laugh at him a lot
I wish I could make Steven Moffat irrelevant to every human on the planet except Steven Moffat, the better to universally mock him
I wish we universally mocked Steven Moffat & his puerile little putrescent entitled little white boy ideas the way we mock, say, Carrot Top.
no wait i'm not done, Steven Moffat DESERVES TO HAVE THE MICROPHONE NEVER. HE DESERVES TO BE BEATEN ABOUT THE HEAD WITH THE MICROPHONE. /end
@the_macbean he is actual human garbage"
A 'Doctor Who' fan there with rather alot of followers and who writes for an online sci-fi website. So not the squealing teenybopper stereotype.
Cant say I've read this sort of thing about RTD. And it isn't rare. Hence why Moffat quit social media. Of course someone will now move the goalposts and say 'dont go on Twitter'. That's not the point. The point is this stuff is out there.
I do think Moffat's comments are more about a perception that there were people within the BBC who were worried whether the show could move on after Tennant - I cannot imagine anyone at the BBC was really stupid enough to talk about cancellation.
Although, having worked there . . .
Oh i don't. Its why i stay on Twitter because I have some great Whovian friends who have a fair and balanced discussion about the show. I suppose its that thing about a very loud and vocal minority who like to be heard.
And I don't think its exclusively Anti-Moffat fans. No doubt a day will come when vehement pro-Moffat fans will turn on the next Show runner whoever that might be.
But it does seem Moffat seems to have upset a certain section of fandom who choose to paint him in a way that just doesn't tally for me with the reality. Sure. Criticise his work all you like but its the personal stuff like I posted above that baffles and annoys me.
Yep he cant handle criticism!
If you think that is 'criticism', then you might need to update your understanding. None of those are criticisms, they are personal attacks.
Funny, I was just reading the comments on a DWTV article which was about Moffat's words in DWM.
http://www.doctorwhotv.co.uk/moffat-clarifies-ugly-doctors-comments-63538.htm
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