Why would you like to queue? Apart from the fact its like a hysterical bunch of lunatics all whooping like 2 year olds (which a cider advert took the piss out of quite well!), you queue every day when shopping or getting on a bus or train.
Its incredibly boring then, and still is for queuing for a phone.
When people queue, are they really like a hysterical bunch of lunatics whooping like 2 year olds? Or is that just some people when they get prompted to cheer when the doors open in front of a camera? Probably the later.
I don't think I could ever be arsed to queue, but I read an article on it once where the journalist went to queue all set to completely mock everyone, but it urned out most people there were just normal people who quite liked the social aspect of chatting to others with similar interests, and the journalist found it quite good fun.
I did spend three hours queuing for Prince in February, which I guess was similar, in that it had a much better sense of occasion than a normal gig because people queuing were there on a first come, first served basis, not even 100% sure there would even be a gig. So even though it was three hours stuck in a queue it wasn't too bad, as everyone was chatting to each other and generally having bit of a laugh. And completely different from queuing in a post office or for a bus.
But why even entertain the possibility that people who go down to queue to get an Apple product on release day could be normal people, when its much more satisfying to label then as hysterical lunatics?
I'd say they ran out of Prince faster than Apple did of iPhones. You could order online, came to a shop later and still got the exactly the same thing, they just want to get it first. Queuing for a rare opportunity is a completely different affair IMO.
I'd say they ran out of Prince faster than Apple did of iPhones. You could order online, came to a shop later and still got the exactly the same thing, they just want to get it first. Queuing for a rare opportunity is a completely different affair IMO.
I agree, queuing for something you cannot buy later makes sense if that is what you have to do. However, describing someone as a lunatic for queuing seems a little extreme given that people on here openly posted that they purchased a phone from an online store 45 minutes after it was released. It is just virtual queuing.
I think you're both missing the point though. I think for a lot of people its about more than getting something as soon as possible. I suspect a big part of it is about the social aspect of spending the time chatting to other people with the same interests.
I think you're both missing the point though. I think for a lot of people its about more than getting something as soon as possible. Its about the social aspect of spending the time chatting to other people with the same interests.
And we are back to cult, L-word and a religious experience.
When people queue, are they really like a hysterical bunch of lunatics whooping like 2 year olds? Or is that just some people when they get prompted to cheer when the doors open in front of a camera? Probably the later.
I don't think I could ever be arsed to queue, but I read an article on it once where the journalist went to queue all set to completely mock everyone, but it urned out most people there were just normal people who quite liked the social aspect of chatting to others with similar interests, and the journalist found it quite good fun.
I did spend three hours queuing for Prince in February, which I guess was similar, in that it had a much better sense of occasion than a normal gig because people queuing were there on a first come, first served basis, not even 100% sure there would even be a gig. So even though it was three hours stuck in a queue it wasn't too bad, as everyone was chatting to each other and generally having bit of a laugh. And completely different from queuing in a post office or for a bus.
But why even entertain the possibility that people who go down to queue to get an Apple product on release day could be normal people, when its much more satisfying to label then as hysterical lunatics?
Why do you have to question absolutely everything on here? Have toy ever seen a line for a new release at an apple store?
There is a reason people take the piss out of it. It's not for nothing you know!!
Queueing for prince is an entirely different thing. No people would have been whooping like children.
I asked cnbc why since she wanted to be part of it.
Why do you have to question absolutely everything on here? Have toy ever seen a line for a new release at an apple store?
There is a reason people take the piss out of it. It's not for nothing you know!!
Queueing for prince is an entirely different thing. No people would have been whooping like children.
I asked cnbc why since she wanted to be part of it.
Why do you have to bite my head off every time I make perfectly reasonable point? I don't question everything, but I am questioning your suggestion that anyone who queues for an iPhone is like a lunatic two year old.
Suggesting that people queueing do it in part for the social aspect seems a pretty reasonable suggestion to make. Arguably a more reasonable view than yours about everyone being like lunatic two year olds. More reasonable people might just say something like "oh yeah, I guess I didn't think of it like that."
Queueing for Prince isn't exactly the same, but I think there are comparisons in the social aspect of it, ie people socialising with like minded people at an event of interest to them. And a lot of people would think people queuing for hours for a concert they didn't even know would happen, and may not even get in to, were pretty stupid. I might not have got in, or there not even have been a concert, but the three hours in the queue was still a pretty good laugh.
You can argue that iPhones or Prince are sad things to be interested in, but the suggestion that there is a social aspect to queuing for either is a perfectly valid one, and in both cases is nothing like queuing at a bus stop.
If you want to buy a phone on release day, it makes sense to queue because as discussed the other day, you shouldn't buy a phone unless you have seen it and been able to have a play with it.
I did "the Queue" last year for the iPad Air - in the city centre, on Halloween. Most entertaining night I have had in a long time. Admittedly the fight that broke out between a load of zombie nurses, skeletons, witches etc a couple of hundred yards away would have been entertainment enough in it's own right, but then when the three adult sized crayons got involved and the French Mime Artist was in the middle of it all trying to break it up using what seemed to be the universal hand signals for "I'm trapped inside an invisible glass box" just added to the mystique of the whole thing.
Why do you have to bite my head off every time I make perfectly reasonable point? I don't question everything, but I am questioning your suggestion that anyone who queues for an iPhone is like a lunatic two year old.
Suggesting that people queueing do it in part for the social aspect seems a pretty reasonable suggestion to make. Arguably a more reasonable view than yours about everyone being like lunatic two year olds. More reasonable people might just say something like "oh yeah, I guess I didn't think of it like that."
Queueing for Prince isn't exactly the same, but I think there are comparisons in the social aspect of it, ie people socialising with like minded people at an event of interest to them. And a lot of people would think people queuing for hours for a concert they didn't even know would happen, and may not even get in to, were pretty stupid. I might not have got in, or there not even have been a concert, but the three hours in the queue was still a pretty good laugh.
You can argue that iPhones or Prince are sad things to be interested in, but the suggestion that there is a social aspect to queuing for either is a perfectly valid one, and in both cases is nothing like queuing at a bus stop.
First I never bit your head off. Second I like prince so I wouldn't slag that choice.
My point is, queuing and whooping like a deranged moron is nothing like queuing for a concert ticket while speaking to folk in the queue.
First I never bit your head off. Second I like prince so I wouldn't slag that choice.
My point is, queuing and whooping like a deranged moron is nothing like queuing for a concert ticket while speaking to folk in the queue.
What is it that you find odd, the queuing or the 'whooping like a deranged moron' (good to see we've moved on from lunatics)?
I've never seen one of these queues, is there a lot of whooping going on?
As I said, if someone wants the phone on release day and (quite sensibly) wants to have a play with the phone beforehand then queuing might be the only option.
First I never bit your head off. Second I like prince so I wouldn't slag that choice.
My point is, queuing and whooping like a deranged moron is nothing like queuing for a concert ticket while speaking to folk in the queue.
Yes, you did. Whether you agree with the point is one thing. But I don't know why you need to keep going on about me so much as disagreeing with you.
My point was that people queing don't actually spend the time in the queue whooping full stop, let alone like lunatic two year olds.
Some people might cheer when prompted or encouraged by staff when they get to the front of the queue as a show for the cameras, but the actual time in the queue would be pretty much exactly like queing for Prince, except for the topic of conversions. People were excited once they got in - if there had been cameras and a bit of encouragement from staff some people would have definitely have cheered.
I mean God forbid that some people should be enthusiastic about something.
Wonder how much of a re-write of the speeches is currently being prepared based on the (alleged) iCloud leak ?
Not great publicoty at a time when they are looking to (rumoured) release a phone with:
a) A better camera for taking better selfies
b) A big screen to make it easier to see your photos and videos
c) A nice way of making 'secure payments' - allegedly using NFC (that thing thats useless)
A nice way of making 'secure payments' - allegedly using NFC (that thing that's useless)
I suspect that Apple will say that their implementation of NFC will finally make it useful, especially as they are rumoured to be setting up a deal with Amex and possibly other credit card companies.
Wonder how much of a re-write of the speeches is currently being prepared based on the (alleged) iCloud leak ?
Not great publicoty at a time when they are looking to (rumoured) release a phone with:
a) A better camera for taking better selfies
b) A big screen to make it easier to see your photos and videos
c) A nice way of making 'secure payments' - allegedly using NFC (that thing thats useless)
I cannot imagine any rewriting has gone on. The 'alleged' leak is likely to once again be a case of using the same username/passwords on multiple accounts and not using the security available to the user.
The nfc 'being useless' comment I've never heard of. In the case of nfc, I'm sure the other manufacturers are praying the release it in the hope of making it popular for their own devices.
Wonder how much of a re-write of the speeches is currently being prepared based on the (alleged) iCloud leak ?
Not great publicoty at a time when they are looking to (rumoured) release a phone with:
a) A better camera for taking better selfies
b) A big screen to make it easier to see your photos and videos
c) A nice way of making 'secure payments' - allegedly using NFC (that thing thats useless)
What makes you think NFC is useless?
Don't tell me - someone once said something about how NFC hadn't really caught on yet, and you're_putting_words_in_their_mouth.
I suspect that Apple will say that their implementation of NFC will finally make it useful, especially as they are rumoured to be setting up a deal with Amex and possibly other credit card companies.
I don't see how Apple using it will magically make it more useful.
The issue has never been about how useful NFC is, its been about the fact that it hasn't really taken off yet.
I suspect that Apple will say that their implementation of NFC will finally make it useful, especially as they are rumoured to be setting up a deal with Amex and possibly other credit card companies.
I am sure that will not be limited to just Apple saying that. I am sure both NFC and normal sized screens will suddenly become more acceptable to many now they have been 'implemented' better
oh boy. A flippant (tongue in cheek) remark regarding the 'NFC being useless' argument has the usual suspects 'up in arms'.
Out of the current issues I hadnt expected that point to be what people were focusing on
Personally I am of the opinion that nothing too sensitive should be stored in any cloud. From what I have read Apple may want to rethink some of their security before they start announcing that they will be offering to handle your card payments via phones. Yes I know that they already have all your details through iTunes (and that they presumably conform to PCI DSS standards) but a big announcement regarding secure payments in the week after a very public data breach may need to be made a little more carefully than planned.
Do people really not think it was a bad time to have such a leak ?? (not sure there is ever a 'good' time)
oh boy. A flippant (tongue in cheek) remark regarding the 'NFC being useless' argument has the usual suspects 'up in arms'.
Out of the current issues I hadnt expected that point to be what people were focusing on
Personally I am of the opinion that nothing too sensitive should be stored in any cloud. From what I have read Apple may want to rethink some of their security before they start announcing that they will be offering to handle your card payments via phones. Yes I know that they already have all your details through iTunes (and that they presumably conform to PCI DSS standards) but a big announcement regarding secure payments in the week after a very public data breach may need to be made a little more carefully than planned.
Do people really not think it was a bad time to have such a leak ?? (not sure there is ever a 'good' time)
There is never a good time to have a leak. Have they had one? The only 'hack' I have ever (knowingly) suffered is my paypal account which does hold my payment details the money taken was refunded by PayPal.
Any payment system will be underwritten by the banks which will need to be happy that any payment system is as safe as 'contactless' or 'chip and pin'. It will be upto individuals if they use it. Many on here say they would be happy to use nfc payment on android, and that is full of security holes (might explain the constant delay in implementing it), so I'm sure most will be happy to use iOS.
I wasn't up in arms. I just wondered why you thought it was useless.
If you don't think its useless, and no-one has ever said that it is useless, then I'm not sure why you would even make a tongue in cheek comment about it being useless. Except to put words, however flippantly, in people's mouths.
These discussions are bad enough as it is, without people putting words in people's mouths that aren't there. Just my two cents.
Obviously there's no good time for a leak, but presumably any implementation of mobile payments will be using different / better security than regular iCloud storage.
I wasn't up in arms. I just wondered why you thought it was useless.
Even if you don't think its useless, and no-one has ever said that it is useless, then I'm not sure why you would even make a tongue in cheek comment about it being useless.
Obviously there's no good time for a leak, but presumably any implementation of mobile payments will be using different / better security than regular iCloud storage.
people have said it - a quick google would show that. plenty of discussion on macroumours (for example).
I'd very much hope that security will be better but most people out there arent aware of the PCI DSS (and other) hoops that people need to jump through when holding/handling credit cards and to discuss 'security' in a speech based on current issues/rumours might need a little more care.
Simple question. Do you believe that there wont be any adjustments to the speeches based on the current major news ? Neither of us will know the answer obviously. I expect they will change some phrasing, maybe even delay parts of the announcements. Do you think otherwise ?
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A company has a new product coming out, is having a launch event and sends out invitations with a teaser tagline?
No, there is nothing whatsoever cult like about that. Its fairly ordinary marketing.
When people queue, are they really like a hysterical bunch of lunatics whooping like 2 year olds? Or is that just some people when they get prompted to cheer when the doors open in front of a camera? Probably the later.
I don't think I could ever be arsed to queue, but I read an article on it once where the journalist went to queue all set to completely mock everyone, but it urned out most people there were just normal people who quite liked the social aspect of chatting to others with similar interests, and the journalist found it quite good fun.
I did spend three hours queuing for Prince in February, which I guess was similar, in that it had a much better sense of occasion than a normal gig because people queuing were there on a first come, first served basis, not even 100% sure there would even be a gig. So even though it was three hours stuck in a queue it wasn't too bad, as everyone was chatting to each other and generally having bit of a laugh. And completely different from queuing in a post office or for a bus.
But why even entertain the possibility that people who go down to queue to get an Apple product on release day could be normal people, when its much more satisfying to label then as hysterical lunatics?
I agree, queuing for something you cannot buy later makes sense if that is what you have to do. However, describing someone as a lunatic for queuing seems a little extreme given that people on here openly posted that they purchased a phone from an online store 45 minutes after it was released. It is just virtual queuing.
And we are back to cult, L-word and a religious experience.
Why do you have to question absolutely everything on here? Have toy ever seen a line for a new release at an apple store?
There is a reason people take the piss out of it. It's not for nothing you know!!
Queueing for prince is an entirely different thing. No people would have been whooping like children.
I asked cnbc why since she wanted to be part of it.
Only if you think any situation where people socialise is a cult. Which would seem pretty unlikely.
Why do you have to bite my head off every time I make perfectly reasonable point? I don't question everything, but I am questioning your suggestion that anyone who queues for an iPhone is like a lunatic two year old.
Suggesting that people queueing do it in part for the social aspect seems a pretty reasonable suggestion to make. Arguably a more reasonable view than yours about everyone being like lunatic two year olds. More reasonable people might just say something like "oh yeah, I guess I didn't think of it like that."
Queueing for Prince isn't exactly the same, but I think there are comparisons in the social aspect of it, ie people socialising with like minded people at an event of interest to them. And a lot of people would think people queuing for hours for a concert they didn't even know would happen, and may not even get in to, were pretty stupid. I might not have got in, or there not even have been a concert, but the three hours in the queue was still a pretty good laugh.
You can argue that iPhones or Prince are sad things to be interested in, but the suggestion that there is a social aspect to queuing for either is a perfectly valid one, and in both cases is nothing like queuing at a bus stop.
If you want to buy a phone on release day, it makes sense to queue because as discussed the other day, you shouldn't buy a phone unless you have seen it and been able to have a play with it.
First I never bit your head off. Second I like prince so I wouldn't slag that choice.
My point is, queuing and whooping like a deranged moron is nothing like queuing for a concert ticket while speaking to folk in the queue.
What is it that you find odd, the queuing or the 'whooping like a deranged moron' (good to see we've moved on from lunatics)?
I've never seen one of these queues, is there a lot of whooping going on?
As I said, if someone wants the phone on release day and (quite sensibly) wants to have a play with the phone beforehand then queuing might be the only option.
Yes, you did. Whether you agree with the point is one thing. But I don't know why you need to keep going on about me so much as disagreeing with you.
My point was that people queing don't actually spend the time in the queue whooping full stop, let alone like lunatic two year olds.
Some people might cheer when prompted or encouraged by staff when they get to the front of the queue as a show for the cameras, but the actual time in the queue would be pretty much exactly like queing for Prince, except for the topic of conversions. People were excited once they got in - if there had been cameras and a bit of encouragement from staff some people would have definitely have cheered.
I mean God forbid that some people should be enthusiastic about something.
Not great publicoty at a time when they are looking to (rumoured) release a phone with:
a) A better camera for taking better selfies
b) A big screen to make it easier to see your photos and videos
c) A nice way of making 'secure payments' - allegedly using NFC (that thing thats useless)
I cannot imagine any rewriting has gone on. The 'alleged' leak is likely to once again be a case of using the same username/passwords on multiple accounts and not using the security available to the user.
The nfc 'being useless' comment I've never heard of. In the case of nfc, I'm sure the other manufacturers are praying the release it in the hope of making it popular for their own devices.
What makes you think NFC is useless?
Don't tell me - someone once said something about how NFC hadn't really caught on yet, and you're_putting_words_in_their_mouth.
I don't see how Apple using it will magically make it more useful.
The issue has never been about how useful NFC is, its been about the fact that it hasn't really taken off yet.
I am sure that will not be limited to just Apple saying that. I am sure both NFC and normal sized screens will suddenly become more acceptable to many now they have been 'implemented' better
Out of the current issues I hadnt expected that point to be what people were focusing on
Personally I am of the opinion that nothing too sensitive should be stored in any cloud. From what I have read Apple may want to rethink some of their security before they start announcing that they will be offering to handle your card payments via phones. Yes I know that they already have all your details through iTunes (and that they presumably conform to PCI DSS standards) but a big announcement regarding secure payments in the week after a very public data breach may need to be made a little more carefully than planned.
Do people really not think it was a bad time to have such a leak ?? (not sure there is ever a 'good' time)
There is never a good time to have a leak. Have they had one? The only 'hack' I have ever (knowingly) suffered is my paypal account which does hold my payment details the money taken was refunded by PayPal.
Any payment system will be underwritten by the banks which will need to be happy that any payment system is as safe as 'contactless' or 'chip and pin'. It will be upto individuals if they use it. Many on here say they would be happy to use nfc payment on android, and that is full of security holes (might explain the constant delay in implementing it), so I'm sure most will be happy to use iOS.
If you don't think its useless, and no-one has ever said that it is useless, then I'm not sure why you would even make a tongue in cheek comment about it being useless. Except to put words, however flippantly, in people's mouths.
These discussions are bad enough as it is, without people putting words in people's mouths that aren't there. Just my two cents.
Obviously there's no good time for a leak, but presumably any implementation of mobile payments will be using different / better security than regular iCloud storage.
people have said it - a quick google would show that. plenty of discussion on macroumours (for example).
I'd very much hope that security will be better but most people out there arent aware of the PCI DSS (and other) hoops that people need to jump through when holding/handling credit cards and to discuss 'security' in a speech based on current issues/rumours might need a little more care.
Simple question. Do you believe that there wont be any adjustments to the speeches based on the current major news ? Neither of us will know the answer obviously. I expect they will change some phrasing, maybe even delay parts of the announcements. Do you think otherwise ?