"Great" actors who are over rated

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  • ironjadeironjade Posts: 10,010
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    Helbore wrote: »
    But you have contributed. Not a lot, admittedly, but its still a contribution. ;)

    For me - and this one is heavily divisive anyway - I'd say Nicholas Cage. I expect there will be quite a few who'd say he's not highly regarded anyway, but there are a lot of people who say "oh, he just picks bad projects but he's a really good actor when in the right film." Sorry, don't see it. He's like a block of wood in everything.

    I've never seen a block of wood overact as badly as Nicolas Cage.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 1,532
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    Fowl Fax wrote: »
    Pacino was good before became shouty man and De Niro was also good before he did tons of comedies.

    I still rate them as two of the best though and enjoy watching their movies.

    I agree, especially about Pacino. He's stuck in 'Scent of a Woman' mode. I also agree about Anthony Hopkins. His best performance IMO was in Remains of the Day. For me, Brian Cox did Lector better.
  • Virgil TracyVirgil Tracy Posts: 26,806
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    Marlon Brando , he's good in a couple of movies , but he's terrible in many more , just doing the same schtick , the twitches and pauses etc.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 9,720
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    Liam Neeson
    Daniel Day-Lewis
    Ralph Fiennes
    Johnny Depp
    Russell Crowe
  • muggins14muggins14 Posts: 61,844
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    I've always thought of James Dean as being a terrible actor, but because he died young, we are all supposed to think he's fantastic !
    I agree with this absolutely, and feel that Brando was highly overrated too.
  • muggins14muggins14 Posts: 61,844
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    I can't agree regarding Danel Day Lewis - from the time I saw him in My Beautiful Launderette I was blown away, and he continues to impress me even now when I don't always like the films he's in.

    I agree with whoever said about Jack Nicholson vs. Gene Hackman. GH is a wonderful actor, Nicholson has had some really good roles, but I don't think he's the greatest actor in the world.
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 4,012
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    Cant beilive no one has said Tom Cruise yet.
  • ***KEL******KEL*** Posts: 520
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    All of them basically .... In some way they r all over hyped. Theres probably kids in drama school who are jus as good if not better.
  • HelboreHelbore Posts: 16,069
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    ironjade wrote: »
    I've never seen a block of wood overact as badly as Nicolas Cage.

    True, I was a bit harsh on the poor blocks of wood out there. :D
    TOONARMY12 wrote: »
    Cant beilive no one has said Tom Cruise yet.

    I'm guessing most people don't think he's that highly regarded as an actor. Now if it were a thread about people who think they're great, but everyone else thinks are raving nutbags....
  • GellymissGellymiss Posts: 1,721
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    downtonfan wrote: »
    I was going to contribute to your thread and then I saw your post. Goodbye.
    mrcynical wrote: »
    I agree, especially about Pacino. He's stuck in 'Scent of a Woman' mode. I also agree about Anthony Hopkins. His best performance IMO was in Remains of the Day. For me, Brian Cox did Lector better.

    Pacino's diner scene in Heat with De Niro is understated elegance. But generally, too shouty.
  • gemma-the-huskygemma-the-husky Posts: 18,116
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    Al Pacino and Robert De Nero.

    I just don't get it. I'd like to think I have good taste. I love the old actors. James Stewart, James Cagney, Humphrey Bogart, James Mason, Spencer Tracy, etc, etc, but I think Al and Robert suck.

    Never been impressed with any of their performances.

    i struggle to see how you can knock Pacino and De Niro. Hard to think of many (any) better living male actors.


    couple of slightly lesser known films

    pacino was top-notch in Any Given Sunday, and Devil's Advocate. I bet he wanted to be in Tropic Thunder!

    de niro
    great in A Bronx Tale - (his first as a director)
  • gemma-the-huskygemma-the-husky Posts: 18,116
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    I can't understand how people are dissing some of the worlds greatest actors

    come on

    Olivier
    Brando
    Pacino
    De Niro

    who DO you rate, if these don't do it for you?
  • mgvsmithmgvsmith Posts: 16,457
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    TOONARMY12 wrote: »
    Cant beilive no one has said Tom Cruise yet.

    Especially when you read through some of the nominations.
    Most of Cruise's work is awful, with a few exceptions.
    This thread just seems to be an excuse to bad mouth some of the best actors around.

    There is no excuse for mentioning Daniel Day Lewis, especially the reference to impersonating John Huston, what do you think acting actually is?

    Presumably the person mentioning Robert De Niro hasn't seen Taxi Driver, The Godfather 2, The Deerhunter, Mean Streets, Goodfellas, Casino?
  • [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 735
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    I agree with those saying Daniel Day Lewis, Nicholas Cage, Jack Nicholson. I don't dislike them but I don't think of them as great actors. Maybe I just haven't seen their best work, I don't know.
  • mgvsmithmgvsmith Posts: 16,457
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    Takae wrote: »
    Well said. I usually refer him as 'Shouty Al'.

    It pains me to nominate this one: John Mills. He was lovely and all, but there wasn't much variety to his performances. When I think of him, I think of his usual three screen performances: a) anxious, eager and naive, b) reserved and taciturn, and c) righteous, stiff-lipped and splenetic. Once in a while, he would combine all as one to spice it up, but that's about it. Granted, he pulled off a memorable performance now and then, but it happened once every ten years, it seems.

    I take the point about quantity but Ryan's Daughter proved his greatness in terms of variety.

    If you are talking about lack of variety surely Cary Grant, Gregory Peck or John Wayne should be considerd?
  • jendejende Posts: 21,432
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    PANNAL1 wrote: »
    Michael Caine. Never got the level of adoration he gets myself.
    Yep totally agree.
    Takae wrote: »
    Jack Nicholson - THERE! I SAID IT! I still don't understand how could he get more accolades than Gene Hackman. Perhaps it's more fair to see Nicholson as a film star and Hackman as an actor?

    Apologies in advance to those who disagree with those nominations.

    I agree also! I have seen him in quite a few things, but even though they are different roles, it makes me think he's most probably protraying part of himself, as it always seems very much him! Like he could play the same characters in Witches of Eastwick, the Shinning, 1 flew over the cuckoos nest, as good as it gets, all good men and even Mars attack and still be the same character and no one would really notice!!! It makes sense in my head anyway!!!
    muggins14 wrote: »
    I can't agree regarding Danel Day Lewis - from the time I saw him in My Beautiful Launderette I was blown away, and he continues to impress me even now when I don't always like the films he's in.

    I agree with whoever said about Jack Nicholson vs. Gene Hackman. GH is a wonderful actor, Nicholson has had some really good roles, but I don't think he's the greatest actor in the world.

    The first time I saw DDL was in MBL too and actually although I loved that film, his accent did grate on me. You could tell he wasn't really a south east London boy. After I watched the film about 1000 times, I got used to it!. Though I did think he played the part really well, even if his accent got me!!!!

    Re Tom Cruise - I never could stand him and thought he was a pretty naff actor. But I do think there are some films he has been really good in, so I kind of have a like/dislike thing going on with him.

    Sean Connery to me was always a one dimension actor, but have to admit haven't seen him in lots of things.
  • ihatemarmiteihatemarmite Posts: 5,605
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    Larry Olivier in Boys From Brazil...his "are you a nutsy?" line is a classic of unintended humour.
    Anthony Hopkins.
    Maggie Smith. For me, she's always just Maggie Smith.
  • HelboreHelbore Posts: 16,069
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    mgvsmith wrote: »
    Especially when you read through some of the nominations.
    Most of Cruise's work is awful, with a few exceptions.
    This thread just seems to be an excuse to bad mouth some of the best actors around.

    Does anyone actually consider Cruise to be a great actor, though? He's a famous actor who (at least once) could sell a movie on his name alone. But you can say the same for Arnie - and no-one would call him a great actor!

    Same goes for "over-rated," too. Calling someone over-rated doesn't have to mean they're a bad actor or even that you dislike them. Just that you don't think they're as good as is generally accepted.
  • cbe21okcbe21ok Posts: 3,047
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    Gulftastic wrote: »
    Goodfellas? Taxi Driver? King Of Comedy? All good performances.

    Ah, King Of Comedy forgot about that one, must dig out that video i have. Top quality film, hardly ever see it on TV.
  • Andy BirkenheadAndy Birkenhead Posts: 13,450
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    mgvsmith wrote: »
    Especially when you read through some of the nominations.
    Most of Cruise's work is awful, with a few exceptions.
    This thread just seems to be an excuse to bad mouth some of the best actors around.

    There is no excuse for mentioning Daniel Day Lewis, especially the reference to impersonating John Huston, what do you think acting actually is?

    Presumably the person mentioning Robert De Niro hasn't seen Taxi Driver, The Godfather 2, The Deerhunter, Mean Streets, Goodfellas, Casino?

    Perhaps that peron is young, and has ony seen DeNiro in those god-awful Focker films ?
  • TakaeTakae Posts: 13,555
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    mgvsmith wrote: »
    I take the point about quantity but Ryan's Daughter proved his greatness in terms of variety.

    If you are talking about lack of variety surely Cary Grant, Gregory Peck or John Wayne should be considered?

    They were film stars, weren't they? Like the way Harrison Ford, Tom Cruise and Johnny Depp are. They all did provide memorable performances, but not as the norm. With Harrison Ford, for instance. When you see Han Solo, you see Harrison Ford. When you see Decker, you see Harrison Ford. When you see Indiana Jones, you see Harrison Ford. He doesn't need to go outside of his box to become his character because he has the face and the name to carry it off.

    That would be applied to John Mills, true, but he isn't usually seen as a film star. Most see him as a character actor. Al Pacino has evolved from being a character actor to a film star, but as far as I know, this never happened to Mills. Hence, my nomination.

    I'm happy to be corrected, though, so fire away. :D
  • Sweet FASweet FA Posts: 10,923
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    Marlon Brando
    Anthony Hopkins
    Michael Caine
    Johnny Depp
    Liam Neeson
    Russell Crowe
    Nicholas Cage

    Those saying De Niro are having a laugh, surely?
  • Sweet FASweet FA Posts: 10,923
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    Al Pacino and Robert De Nero.

    I just don't get it. I'd like to think I have good taste... but I think Al and Robert suck.

    Never been impressed with any of their performances.
    Trust me you don't, seeing as you also posted in another forum that The Godfather was rubbish. I can understand someone not rating any one of De Niro, Pacino or the Godfather but to dislike ALL 3 proves your taste is pretty dodgy...
  • jules1000jules1000 Posts: 10,709
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    Larry Olivier in Boys From Brazil...his "are you a nutsy?" line is a classic of unintended humour.
    Anthony Hopkins.
    Maggie Smith. For me, she's always just Maggie Smith.

    I feel exactly the same re D. Judi Dench. So Incredibly up her own bottom with every I'm better than everyone else performance.
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    Al Pacino, I mean that man is just ham on legs.
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