feeling pretty annoyed with this op, i mean he was moaning about dishwasher tablets the other day and dosent even have a job..so what would he know about anything
so im not going to rise to it and relax as i dont want a ban
what does him not having a job have anything to do with it?
These were 2m tall breaking waves (and a cubic metre of seawater weighs about a tonne).
But you're right of course. Even though a small baby doesn't understand danger, such as the consequences of slipping from his dad's grasp, the fact that he's enjoying it makes it makes it perfectly alright.
What, having an opinion which is different from that of most others? Perhaps that's why I posted.
There was no danger of the baby slipping from his fathers grasp as he was strapped to the board. https://vimeo.com/121232319
"There is no danger here!
This is the easiest wave I know and I know a lot of them.
And just so you all know this child was born in water, he knows how to control his breathing under water and just if you wondering there was 5 other surfers friend around including a lady lifeguard, just for the what if. Now take a closer look on the absolute focus on my friend (the dad) I know this man for over 35 years and all of them years we've been surfing."
This quote comes from a man called Gabriel Ortiz. Who knows the father and both he and Jorge are experienced surfers.
Of course you have every right to your opinion as do I.
I really have no problem with this.
Why not google Spencer Elden and Nirvana? Just might give some perspective to the discussion.
There was no danger of the baby slipping from his fathers grasp as he was strapped to the board.
The OP's link didn't mention if the child was strapped to the board. It does say the camera was strapped to it.
"There is no danger here!
This is the easiest wave I know and I know a lot of them.
And just so you all know this child was born in water, he knows how to control his breathing under water and just if you wondering there was 5 other surfers friend around including a lady lifeguard, just for the what if. Now take a closer look on the absolute focus on my friend (the dad) I know this man for over 35 years and all of them years we've been surfing."
Of course you have every right to your opinion as do I.
That's fine. But those extra details didn't appear in the OP's link, nor yours (unless we have to trawl the comments), and I suspect many of the pro comments here were made irrespective of the actual circumstances and of whatever precautions had been taken.
They just seemed to think there was absolutely nothing to be concerned about in taking babies on surfboards, full stop (so a few babies drown: but they could die in a car accident!). While a risk assessment depended on whether the baby thought it was fun.
(Although I wouldn't like to be tied down to a surfboard myself. If it turned upside-down I'd be in trouble; the board will be more buoyant than me.)
It's yet another example of the risk adverse mentality that's crippling society. Life is meant to be lived! Also explored and experienced. But too many people are afraid of what 'might' happen, so they cower in front of their computers at home where it's safe and lobby for more restrictions on people who are braver than they are, justifying their actions with the rationalisation 'If just one life is saved'.
A pox on the lot of them.
I wouldn't characterise what you have described as political correctness though (which seems to have become lazy short hand for 'something I don't like').
That said, you have not written anything here with which I disagree
Until I watched the video I thought it was a really irresponsible thing to do (I'm actually quite scared of the sea so that influenced my opinion) but having watched it, you can see dad is really competent and the baby is clearly having fun so what's the harm? It's also good that the baby is learning not to be scared of the sea.
Well, I think everyone should have a healthy fear of the sea.
Some very experienced surfers died in the sea near here last summer. They knew the beach, they were there with their teenage children, who survived. The sea can be very dangerous, even if you know what you are doing.
feeling pretty annoyed with this op, i mean he was moaning about dishwasher tablets the other day and dosent even have a job..so what would he know about anything
so im not going to rise to it and relax as i dont want a ban
Moaning about dishwasher tablets? Are they hindering the job prospects?
I'm going to go have a read - I am really curious about these tablets. You'd think they were fairly inoffensive. Fabric conditioner that won't drain away, now, that's another matter. >:(
Aww he looks like he's having a great time. Some young children really love all that daredevil stuff, my youngest sister loved being swung higher and higher on the swings and my god daughter loves being thrown up in the air and caught.
I wouldn't characterise what you have described as political correctness though (which seems to have become lazy short hand for 'something I don't like').
That said, you have not written anything here with which I disagree
I didn't mean to suggest it was political correctness, which to me is making a baseless assumption about what will be offensive or inappropriate to a group of people and acting preemptively, but the two do tend to go hand in hand because the root cause is fear. Fear of offence. Fear of harm.
Aww he looks like he's having a great time. Some young children really love all that daredevil stuff, my youngest sister loved being swung higher and higher on the swings and my god daughter loves being thrown up in the air and caught.
Ok I know it's not on a par with surfing.
Exactly, babies have no concept or fear of danger.
Anyone who has been swimming in the ocean knows how powerful those waves are. Surfing is a dangerous sport and that guy was riding a big wave with his son. Fatigue can quickly take over if you get into trouble.
The OP's link didn't mention if the child was strapped to the board. It does say the camera was strapped to it.
That's fine. But those extra details didn't appear in the OP's link, nor yours (unless we have to trawl the comments), and I suspect many of the pro comments here were made irrespective of the actual circumstances and of whatever precautions had been taken.
They just seemed to think there was absolutely nothing to be concerned about in taking babies on surfboards, full stop (so a few babies drown: but they could die in a car accident!). While a risk assessment depended on whether the baby thought it was fun.
(Although I wouldn't like to be tied down to a surfboard myself. If it turned upside-down I'd be in trouble; the board will be more buoyant than me.)
I did some trawling on the web about this story, after my post. I got the quote from the comments section on Vimeo. The Gabriel guy in the comments section is apparently a friend of Jorge. I just thought adding the extra information would clarify why and how they went about the babies safety.
I can understand the concerns of other posters . I just feel differently and that the baby looked like he was enjoying himself.
if I tried to get on a surfboard at my time of life and build, I think the surfboard would be in danger of severe damage. .
feeling pretty annoyed with this op, i mean he was moaning about dishwasher tablets the other day and dosent even have a job..so what would he know about anything
so im not going to rise to it and relax as i dont want a ban
I don't have a job because someone left me disabled at age 22. I don't work because I can't not because I don't want to. Thanks for discriminating against me. Just because I don't work doesn't make me any less of an adult man. If you don't like my threads don't bother reading them nobody is forcing you to participate in them. I have put you on my ignore list so I never need to see anything you write ever again.
*I used the above link as I know how much the Daily Mail is hated on here.
I have three fantastic images of my granddaughter in a triple photo frame when she was about five months.
She's underwater in a swimming pool, unaided, eyes wide open looking around and captured by a professional photographer.
Everyone I've shown them to thinks they are stunning.
And they are!
I have three fantastic images of my granddaughter in a triple photo frame when she was about five months.
She's underwater in a swimming pool, unaided, eyes wide open looking around and captured by a professional photographer.
Everyone I've shown them to thinks they are stunning.
And they are!
exactly, this child will probably be jumping out of planes by the time he is 17/18...
I don't think everyone would be saying this if the little guy had drowned. I wonder what his mother thought I don't think most mothers would say on you go take him.
the father has as much right as the mother to take the child surfing,skydiving, waterskiing, rock climbing whatever
I don't think everyone would be saying this if the little guy had drowned. I wonder what his mother thought I don't think most mothers would say on you go take him.
:D at this post.
Indeed OP, indeed!
I put my son in a rucksack/carrier when he was six months and took him up mountains with me, ffs, get a grip.
I don't think everyone would be saying this if the little guy had drowned. I wonder what his mother thought I don't think most mothers would say on you go take him.
I don't have a job because someone left me disabled at age 22. I don't work because I can't not because I don't want to. Thanks for discriminating against me. Just because I don't work doesn't make me any less of an adult man. If you don't like my threads don't bother reading them nobody is forcing you to participate in them. I have put you on my ignore list so I never need to see anything you write ever again.
not at all, i was pointing out that you were not in a position to judge the father, who you called a "reckless idiot" i believe??
There's a photo of my mother taking me into the sea when I was 8 months old and I look like the spawn of satan >:( it did not come as naturally to me as this little fella.
yes i remember that..but this case is just watersports, however it is safe to assume dad is a competent surfer...
That means nothing. People can be competent at all sorts of potentially dangerous activities (sky-diving, fire-fighting, motor-cycle sports...), that doesn't mean it's OK to have a baby with you.
I put my son in a rucksack/carrier when he was six months and took him up mountains with me, ffs, get a grip.
You mean just walking up paths, or hauling yourself up with crampons and ropes? If the latter, and the child is properly restrained, then I can't see it being that much more dangerous than going by yourself. But since it is a risky activity (and it is, otherwise why bother), why subject the child to the same risks?
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what does him not having a job have anything to do with it?
There was no danger of the baby slipping from his fathers grasp as he was strapped to the board.
https://vimeo.com/121232319
"There is no danger here!
This is the easiest wave I know and I know a lot of them.
And just so you all know this child was born in water, he knows how to control his breathing under water and just if you wondering there was 5 other surfers friend around including a lady lifeguard, just for the what if. Now take a closer look on the absolute focus on my friend (the dad) I know this man for over 35 years and all of them years we've been surfing."
This quote comes from a man called Gabriel Ortiz. Who knows the father and both he and Jorge are experienced surfers.
Of course you have every right to your opinion as do I.
I really have no problem with this.
Why not google Spencer Elden and Nirvana? Just might give some perspective to the discussion.
That's fine. But those extra details didn't appear in the OP's link, nor yours (unless we have to trawl the comments), and I suspect many of the pro comments here were made irrespective of the actual circumstances and of whatever precautions had been taken.
They just seemed to think there was absolutely nothing to be concerned about in taking babies on surfboards, full stop (so a few babies drown: but they could die in a car accident!). While a risk assessment depended on whether the baby thought it was fun.
(Although I wouldn't like to be tied down to a surfboard myself. If it turned upside-down I'd be in trouble; the board will be more buoyant than me.)
Is it a great skill to have?
I wouldn't characterise what you have described as political correctness though (which seems to have become lazy short hand for 'something I don't like').
That said, you have not written anything here with which I disagree
Absolutely! Do you not? I don't know anyone who can surf but if I did they would no doubt be my coolest friend and I would introduce them thus.
Watersports are just cool.
Well, I think everyone should have a healthy fear of the sea.
Some very experienced surfers died in the sea near here last summer. They knew the beach, they were there with their teenage children, who survived. The sea can be very dangerous, even if you know what you are doing.
I'm going to go have a read - I am really curious about these tablets. You'd think they were fairly inoffensive.
Oh and, yeah, relax. Do that.
Ok I know it's not on a par with surfing.
I didn't mean to suggest it was political correctness, which to me is making a baseless assumption about what will be offensive or inappropriate to a group of people and acting preemptively, but the two do tend to go hand in hand because the root cause is fear. Fear of offence. Fear of harm.
Exactly, babies have no concept or fear of danger.
Anyone who has been swimming in the ocean knows how powerful those waves are. Surfing is a dangerous sport and that guy was riding a big wave with his son. Fatigue can quickly take over if you get into trouble.
I did some trawling on the web about this story, after my post. I got the quote from the comments section on Vimeo. The Gabriel guy in the comments section is apparently a friend of Jorge. I just thought adding the extra information would clarify why and how they went about the babies safety.
I can understand the concerns of other posters . I just feel differently and that the baby looked like he was enjoying himself.
if I tried to get on a surfboard at my time of life and build, I think the surfboard would be in danger of severe damage.
I don't have a job because someone left me disabled at age 22. I don't work because I can't not because I don't want to. Thanks for discriminating against me. Just because I don't work doesn't make me any less of an adult man. If you don't like my threads don't bother reading them nobody is forcing you to participate in them. I have put you on my ignore list so I never need to see anything you write ever again.
She's underwater in a swimming pool, unaided, eyes wide open looking around and captured by a professional photographer.
Everyone I've shown them to thinks they are stunning.
And they are!
exactly, this child will probably be jumping out of planes by the time he is 17/18...
thats a good thing, well done dad..
the father has as much right as the mother to take the child surfing,skydiving, waterskiing, rock climbing whatever
If you’re going to put your baby in harms way don’t namby-pamby around on a surfboard;
............ get serious and do a proper job of it.
Lunchtime.
yes i remember that..but this case is just watersports, however it is safe to assume dad is a competent surfer...
Indeed OP, indeed!
I put my son in a rucksack/carrier when he was six months and took him up mountains with me, ffs, get a grip.
i threw my two in the deep end as toddlers..with water wings of course..
op clearly is not a parent
Wasn't that his mother at the end of the video?
not at all, i was pointing out that you were not in a position to judge the father, who you called a "reckless idiot" i believe??
Somehow I reckon I'd have been the same as you.
Good for this little fella though.
That means nothing. People can be competent at all sorts of potentially dangerous activities (sky-diving, fire-fighting, motor-cycle sports...), that doesn't mean it's OK to have a baby with you.
You mean just walking up paths, or hauling yourself up with crampons and ropes? If the latter, and the child is properly restrained, then I can't see it being that much more dangerous than going by yourself. But since it is a risky activity (and it is, otherwise why bother), why subject the child to the same risks?
I'm not one but I can't see how the dad was being reckless. If they can get rid of the fear early good for them.