Don't like it then go find something better and go and work 9 to 5 with 3 weeks holiday a year and then tell me whether you've got it so bad.
Race to the bottom, how does that improve society? Some people work seven day weeks, 12 hour shifts, no pension and no holidays - should we all aim for that? I actually despair that people are swallowing the bile and loaded ideology that the likes of Katie Hopkins is sprouting today.
Would you prefer teachers to work for free, no pension, no holiday and nothing more than free childcare to appease some kind of perceived injustice in the minds of parents who are basing their beliefs on incorrect assumptions and bias?
Here's a radical idea for critics of the teachers' strike, how about instead of moaning about other people, you organise and improve your own lot and appreciate the vital role that teachers' make in society? Critics need to adopt a positive mental attitude rather than throw bile to cure a incorrectly perceived injustice.
I'm all for anyone wanting to improve their conditions/pay etc but I still can't balance out the fines for non-attendance for a family holiday and a strike causing non-attendance.
So people who oppose the strike agree that teachers should receive performance related pay?
Do you really not see how PRP is a bad thing in a school environment? Why would a teacher choose to take on a class of unruly uncooperative children and attempt to educate them if it means they would get paid less for their efforts?
I'm all for anyone wanting to improve their conditions/pay etc but I still can't balance out the fines for non-attendance for a family holiday and a strike causing non-attendance.
Maybe it's just me
Aren't the fines imposed by the LEA and not the school?
I'm all for anyone wanting to improve their conditions/pay etc but I still can't balance out the fines for non-attendance for a family holiday and a strike causing non-attendance.
Maybe it's just me
but the fines are nothing whatsoever to do with teachers, blame the government and maybe headteachers for enforcing it.
Especially the govt for making it impossible for schools to come out of an ofsted inspection well if their attendance is below 95% so no wonder heads are enforcing fines, their jobs are dependent on getting a good outcome from inspections.
People have no idea of the pressures on schools these days.
Several years ago when my husbands workload and the expectation was a lot less than today I added up the hours he worked and divided it by 40. The result was that he worked 48 wks a year so 4 wks not working.
His workload is so much bigger now that I daren't do it.
Coasting schools and teachers aren't 'getting away' with it any more. His new head came in and got rid of all those teachers, some under competency measures, in other cases he made their life so difficult they resigned, not always with jobs to go to. Others went off sick and never returned. And no its not some terrible school, it was a pretty average place.
Their pay and jobs aren't secure, he takes a dislike to you and he'll hound you out. He sets pay from september so can reduce your pay. In order to pay the high fliers more he will have to drop pay for others as he has no extra money to reward the ones he sees fit to.
I know how he works as he took over our sons school the year he left and some truly fantastic inspirational teachers were hounded out as he wants automatons who don't think for themselves and particularly likes to employ newly qualified teachers as they're cheap and can be worked to death.
He gets the kids exam passes by cheating. He's a superhead but at the same time is exactly the reason why coursework is being reduced by the govt.. Any way results can be cheated or manipulated and they will be.
Under the previous head all the work was marked honestly and coursework/controlled assessment wasn't virtually dictated to the kids by the teacher or put on the board.
What is the threat to teaching assistants?
In June 2013, newspaper reports suggested that the Treasury had been holding talks with the Department for Education about phasing out the role of TAs in an attempt to save money.
I'm all for anyone wanting to improve their conditions/pay etc but I still can't balance out the fines for non-attendance for a family holiday and a strike causing non-attendance.
Maybe it's just me
No,its not just you.Many are asking the same question.
People who choose a career and accept a job under known conditions should either accept those conditions or go find themselves another job.
bib - that's just it though, they take on a job knowing that their pension payments will be X and their salary will be Y, as everybody else does. What they are protesting is these factors changing, their payments towards pension are to go up whilst the actual pension goes down. OP didn't mention pensions as one of the problems, but it is a big issue for many as it is for the government.
I am a parent with a child off today - sadly she'd be off anyway as she's a 104 degree temp, but that's irrelevant to this thread - and I do support this strike. People don't strike lightly.
I think the idea of performance-related pay for teachers is ridiculous, I think they way the government has treated them over pensions is shameful and the idea of penalising good teachers for the performance of their class (no matter how wonderful the teacher may be, a class full of children with English as a second language or with children who have additional needs is never going to achieve as much as a class without children who need additional support - not the teacher's fault; this is just one example).
People who choose a career and accept a job under known conditions should either accept those conditions or go find themselves another job. Not accept it then moan because they want more money or better conditions. They knew the score when they signed up to do the job. Oh that's right, there's no jobs out there and the other reason they wont is probably because they know full well what side their bread is buttered.
They should count themselves lucky in this day and age that they have a job at all let alone one that's permanent and pays as well as it does with so many holidays what with half the country out of work forced to live off food banks.
This is a very silly thing to say.
Do you tell yourself how 'lucky' you are each day you go to work?
Do you tell your boss how grateful to him you are for your continued employment?
With all due respect, it is even more so when the Trussell Trust states that the second biggest reasons for voucher issued for foodbanks are to those in work on a low income:
Ive just asked a teacher why they a striking today, and the essence of her response is this:
If you want your childs education to be little more than a tick-box exercise designed purely to meet targets, If you want them to just crib facts without knowing the whys and wherefores, if you dont want them to enjoy the process of learning for its own sake and at a rate which allows them to retain knowledge, if you are happy to allow them to fall by the wayside if they are unable to keep up the pace and disregarded in the quest for meeting targets, then by all means feel free to call me lazy and greedy.
Must make a note of the date in my diary so if I get fined £60 (but save hundreds of pounds) by taking my child out of school a day early for a holiday I can throw the "every lesson counts" crap back at them.
Oh, not forgetting the days spent (wasted) watching DVDs in the classroom on the run up to Christmas.
I suggest you write to the school requesting payment of £60 for them taking your child out of education.
Ive just asked a teacher why they a striking today, and the essence of her response is this:
If you want your childs education to be little more than a tick-box exercise designed purely to meet targets, If you want them to just crib facts without knowing the whys and wherefores, if you dont want them to enjoy the process of learning for its own sake and at a rate which allows them to retain knowledge, if you are happy to allow them to fall by the wayside if they are unable to keep up the pace and disregarded in the quest for meeting targets, then by all means feel free to call me lazy and greedy.
She sounds like a committed and dedicated teacher. The question is though, why people like her rally around and support the deadwood teachers making them harder to remove, and surely only harming her goal of better teaching.
She sounds like a committed and dedicated teacher. The question is though, why people like her rally around and support the deadwood teachers making them harder to remove, and surely only harming her goal of better teaching.
If you mean why isn't she protesting against the latest gove initiative allowing unqualified and under qualified teachers to be employed to take up the shortfall of teachers caused by all the qualified teachers leaving, then she is.
It's ironic how many parents are against the strikes (as in they view them as "wrong") yet will be willing to use them as leverage to take their children out of school.
Way to go - teaching your kids that two wrongs do in-fact make a right!!
Am I the only one who gets rattled when news readers talk about parents having to make "alternative" child care arrangements.
School is not about providing free child care.
Just a reminder to the rhetoric of the strike supporters who are always demanding fairness in a democratic society...
Only 42% of those union members who bothered to vote supported the strike (Activist?) whereas the 58% who Didn't support the strike have been ignored `by 'Unite` a fine example of a union that claims to support democratic principles
>:(>:(
Am I the only one who gets rattled when news readers talk about parents having to make "alternative" child care arrangements.
School is not about providing free child care.
No it isn't, but parents find jobs to fit around school hours, so when those hours change they also have to make arrangements to either work or not, or find somebody to look after their kids. The children are in the care of the school during school hours, if the wording is what concerns you. Potato/potato, the fact is that the child has to be cared for by an alternative somebody.
People who choose a career and accept a job under known conditions should either accept those conditions or go find themselves another job. Not accept it then moan because they want more money or better conditions. .
Thankfully, over the past 200 years or so, people haven't had that attitude. What sort of conditions would you be working in if employees had just accepted their lot over the past decades?
I work on the railways and in the 10 years + I have been on Strike once but people assume I'm greedy and ungrateful and everyone on the railway is militant. I am not militant I just fight for what I believe in just like the teachers. The more government et all degrade a profession the more people will suffer for it long term. I applaud the teachers for taking the action they believe in for people saying the majority didn't want the strike maybe if they voted it wouldn't happen. And yes I have a child who is not in school because of the strike its a pain but that is life and hopefully she will benefit in the long term. Bowing to government pressure almost always ends up as a negative for the employees affected.
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Would you prefer teachers to work for free, no pension, no holiday and nothing more than free childcare to appease some kind of perceived injustice in the minds of parents who are basing their beliefs on incorrect assumptions and bias?
Here's a radical idea for critics of the teachers' strike, how about instead of moaning about other people, you organise and improve your own lot and appreciate the vital role that teachers' make in society? Critics need to adopt a positive mental attitude rather than throw bile to cure a incorrectly perceived injustice.
Maybe it's just me
Do you really not see how PRP is a bad thing in a school environment? Why would a teacher choose to take on a class of unruly uncooperative children and attempt to educate them if it means they would get paid less for their efforts?
Aren't the fines imposed by the LEA and not the school?
I thought the statutory minimum holiday for full time workers was 5.6 weeks a year
Especially the govt for making it impossible for schools to come out of an ofsted inspection well if their attendance is below 95% so no wonder heads are enforcing fines, their jobs are dependent on getting a good outcome from inspections.
People have no idea of the pressures on schools these days.
His workload is so much bigger now that I daren't do it.
Coasting schools and teachers aren't 'getting away' with it any more. His new head came in and got rid of all those teachers, some under competency measures, in other cases he made their life so difficult they resigned, not always with jobs to go to. Others went off sick and never returned. And no its not some terrible school, it was a pretty average place.
Their pay and jobs aren't secure, he takes a dislike to you and he'll hound you out. He sets pay from september so can reduce your pay. In order to pay the high fliers more he will have to drop pay for others as he has no extra money to reward the ones he sees fit to.
I know how he works as he took over our sons school the year he left and some truly fantastic inspirational teachers were hounded out as he wants automatons who don't think for themselves and particularly likes to employ newly qualified teachers as they're cheap and can be worked to death.
He gets the kids exam passes by cheating. He's a superhead but at the same time is exactly the reason why coursework is being reduced by the govt.. Any way results can be cheated or manipulated and they will be.
Under the previous head all the work was marked honestly and coursework/controlled assessment wasn't virtually dictated to the kids by the teacher or put on the board.
So she won't be expecting union support when her job is at risk?
https://www.unison.org.uk/at-work/education-services/key-issues/speaking-up-for-teaching-assistants/the-facts/
What is the threat to teaching assistants?
In June 2013, newspaper reports suggested that the Treasury had been holding talks with the Department for Education about phasing out the role of TAs in an attempt to save money.
No,its not just you.Many are asking the same question.
And it's been answered numerous times!
Schools/teachers ARE NOT responsible for the decision to fine parents for taking their children out of school.
Theres no need to shout Ber
There obviously is when that question had already been answered twice on this page alone and not seen!
I am a parent with a child off today - sadly she'd be off anyway as she's a 104 degree temp, but that's irrelevant to this thread - and I do support this strike. People don't strike lightly.
I think the idea of performance-related pay for teachers is ridiculous, I think they way the government has treated them over pensions is shameful and the idea of penalising good teachers for the performance of their class (no matter how wonderful the teacher may be, a class full of children with English as a second language or with children who have additional needs is never going to achieve as much as a class without children who need additional support - not the teacher's fault; this is just one example).
This is a very silly thing to say.
Do you tell yourself how 'lucky' you are each day you go to work?
Do you tell your boss how grateful to him you are for your continued employment?
The last bold piece is sensationalist rubbish.
http://www.trusselltrust.org/stats
If you want your childs education to be little more than a tick-box exercise designed purely to meet targets, If you want them to just crib facts without knowing the whys and wherefores, if you dont want them to enjoy the process of learning for its own sake and at a rate which allows them to retain knowledge, if you are happy to allow them to fall by the wayside if they are unable to keep up the pace and disregarded in the quest for meeting targets, then by all means feel free to call me lazy and greedy.
I suggest you write to the school requesting payment of £60 for them taking your child out of education.
She sounds like a committed and dedicated teacher. The question is though, why people like her rally around and support the deadwood teachers making them harder to remove, and surely only harming her goal of better teaching.
If you mean why isn't she protesting against the latest gove initiative allowing unqualified and under qualified teachers to be employed to take up the shortfall of teachers caused by all the qualified teachers leaving, then she is.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-21988209
Way to go - teaching your kids that two wrongs do in-fact make a right!!
School is not about providing free child care.
Only 42% of those union members who bothered to vote supported the strike (Activist?) whereas the 58% who Didn't support the strike have been ignored `by 'Unite` a fine example of a union that claims to support democratic principles
>:(>:(