Saying that as a fan, you're feeling sad that OP is in the situation he is is perfectly fine. Given the adversity he has had to face and what he has acheived to overcome it, most people would admire him. And to find him brought this low (through his own actions, mind) is tragic.
But as a fan please spare a kind thought for Reeva, her family and friends. They are going through their own hell as well.
That's all people are trying to say.
Fan, the clue is in the word - fanatic....not worthy of responding to. :rolleyes:
If it's the case that 3 cartridges were found in the bathroom, 1 in the walkway, and 1 in the toilet (used by the defence to show the police as incompetent), then that is definitely more than 4 shots. Either we are wrong about the number of cartridges and where they were found, or the defence may have already destroyed their client's case.
Edit: Re-reading back in the thread, it may be a bullet they found in the toilet. That makes more sense. Never mind, carry on.
Can you explain that tourista, I've no idea about guns.
I am no expert, and certainly hope others here who are far more knowledgable on firearms, but will try to answer to the best of my limited abilities.
A semi automatic pistol once fired ejects the used cartridge, and most weapons I understand ejects the used cartridge from the right hand side of the weapon. This would mean that the firer of the pistol in OP's case would have had to have been in the toilet itself for the cartridge to end up where it seems it did.
Sorry its a wiki link, but this article gives you a basic idea of what I am rambling on about. wiki link
The second picture shows the ejection "port" where the spent cartridge comes out of the weapon..
Why would the cricket bat be "covered" in blood? OP admits bashing door in with it-that occurs outside the toilet obviously-no reason for him to take it into toilet cubicle to come into contact with blood.
Ok so he drops it and it get some blood as he carries Reeva out maybe,but covered in it? I cant see a reason for this.
It says in that graphic that 3 cartridges were found in the bathroom and 1 in the hallway, but didn't someone claim that a cartridge casing was found in the toilet bowl?
Mr Nel told the court that Pistorius fired into the door of a small bathroom where Steenkamp was cowering after a shouting match. He fired four times and three bullets hit Steenkamp, the prosecutor said.
I am not a firearms expert, so can only guess that 3 of the bullets went into Reeva's body and the fourth went into the wall..although I am sure a more expert opinion will be offered for explanation. So that slug in the toilet basin..was it from passing through Reeva's body? Or was the slug still in the wall? We won't know until the trial.
That was me. It would have been cool/chilly at night compared to day temp.
Another question I have is, if they were sleeping, why was she found wearing shorts? Or as they said, 'dressed'? Unless they were loose shorts it is uncomfortable to sleep in them.
Thanks for the info.:) I was wondering what the temp was, too.
It could be those silk lingerie type things you can wear at night as opposed to close fitted cotton shorts.
I am no expert, and certainly hope others here who are far more knowledgable on firearms, but will try to answer to the best of my limited abilities.
A semi automatic pistol once fired ejects the used cartridge, and most weapons I understand ejects the used cartridge from the right hand side of the weapon. This would mean that the firer of the pistol in OP's case would have had to have been in the toilet itself for the cartridge to end up where it seems it did.
Sorry its a wiki link, but this article gives you a basic idea of what I am rambling on about. wiki link
The second picture shows the ejection "port" where the spent cartridge comes out of the weapon..
Thanks for that, appreciate it - will go and have a read.
Oy DP, you are more likely to know about guns, is the casing found in the toilet bowl a game changer, or do casings end up anywhere?.
I've not really read enough detailed information, if it is there, about this, but clearly a casing could not be ejected through a closed door into the bowl.
Whether it could have caught in the clothing of Pistorious, who carried it into the toilet when he entered, I dont know.
I've not really read enough detailed information, if it is there, about this, but clearly a casing could not be ejected through a closed door into the bowl.
Whether it could have caught in the clothing of Pistorious, who carried it into the toilet when he entered, I dont know.
Hopefully the forensic teams will clear that up.
According to this, it was the actual slug/bullet found in the toilet basin, not the spent cartridge.
Testimony by Detective Warrant Officer Hilton Botha of the South African Police Service left prosecutors rubbing their temples, only able to look down at their notes as he misjudged distances and acknowledged a forensics team left in the toilet bowl one of the bullet slugs fired at Steenkamp. However, Botha still poked holes in Pistorius’ own account that he feared for his life and opened fire on Valentine’s Day after mistaking Steenkamp for an intruder.
According to this, it was the actual slug/bullet found in the toilet basin, not the spent cartridge.
Testimony by Detective Warrant Officer Hilton Botha of the South African Police Service left prosecutors rubbing their temples, only able to look down at their notes as he misjudged distances and acknowledged a forensics team left in the toilet bowl one of the bullet slugs fired at Steenkamp. However, Botha still poked holes in Pistorius’ own account that he feared for his life and opened fire on Valentine’s Day after mistaking Steenkamp for an intruder.
That makes much more sense than a casing being there.
I've not really read enough detailed information, if it is there, about this, but clearly a casing could not be ejected through a closed door into the bowl.
Whether it could have caught in the clothing of Pistorious, who carried it into the toilet when he entered, I dont know.
Hopefully the forensic teams will clear that up.
I have read a few reports that the defence say that they found a bullet in the toilet that had been missed by police. I cant seem to find a word for word transcript. Is there one. A bullet in the toilet could mean a bullet in the room or in the bowl itself.
According to this, it was the actual slug/bullet found in the toilet basin, not the spent cartridge.
Testimony by Detective Warrant Officer Hilton Botha of the South African Police Service left prosecutors rubbing their temples, only able to look down at their notes as he misjudged distances and acknowledged a forensics team left in the toilet bowl one of the bullet slugs fired at Steenkamp. However, Botha still poked holes in Pistorius’ own account that he feared for his life and opened fire on Valentine’s Day after mistaking Steenkamp for an intruder.
So is it one of the bullets that passed thrugh Reeva's body?
I suppose we wont't know for sure until the trial, but that could be the case.
Being naturally suspicious, I do hope it has been handed over for forensic examination - otherwise couldn't it just have been 'found' in the toilet bowl to back up OP's account of events?(Particularly since the police didn't appear to see it when they searched). And anyway, what were OPs 'team' doing snooping around a potential crime scene - since when has a prime suspect been able to have their associates paddling around the crime scene doing separate investigations?
And if (as they are claiming) OP used a separate 'phone to call the emergency services, why hasn't this been passed straight to the police? Surely if it corroborates OP's story it would be one of the quickest ways to clear up any 'misunderstanidings'
I love the way we have all turned into Columbo/Frost/Morse/Lewis/Miss Marple/Poirot
I'm a Columbo ..................Erm... Just one more thing...
I'm afraid I blame my mother. These are the programmes I watched regularly on TV whilst growing up:
A Man Called Ironside
Z Cars
Dixon of Dock Green
Quincey
Cannon
The Sreets of San Francisco
Columbo
Kojak
The Expert (about forensic science helping to solve crimes)
Starskey & Hutch
Hawaii Five-O
Cagney & Lacey
Any Agatha Christie dramatisations.
So, I just can't help picking at stories/statements if they don't feel or look right.
I have to say, I'm not sure how much of a sleuth one has to be to smell a rat in this particular situation.
Although I doubt his version of events, given he has no lower legs, it's reasonable to think he may not be able to shove a door with a shoulder like a nondisabled person would, and would need to use the bat instead to smash the panels.
The toilet would no doubt be drenched in blood, so the bat could have easily becomed bloodied.
I now wonder if the bat was used first to get Reeva out by banging on the door and when she didn't come out he came back with the gun The blood could get on the bat that way.
Seems OP has done a good job of destroying most of the evidence.
Had it been me I would have grabbed my partner and gone down the stairs with gun in hand. It would have been the fastest route and least life threatening.
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Yes - something which I have always found inexplicable.
There was a documentary on death row prisoners recently and I think one of them had a wife who had married him since his conviction. Bizarre.
Fan, the clue is in the word - fanatic....not worthy of responding to. :rolleyes:
Yes, and men too. Didn't Amanda Knox receive many letters from admirers after she was convicted of Meredith Kercher's murder?
If he is released after trial, I have no doubt he will still have many women willing to date him.
Edit: Re-reading back in the thread, it may be a bullet they found in the toilet. That makes more sense. Never mind, carry on.
I am no expert, and certainly hope others here who are far more knowledgable on firearms, but will try to answer to the best of my limited abilities.
A semi automatic pistol once fired ejects the used cartridge, and most weapons I understand ejects the used cartridge from the right hand side of the weapon. This would mean that the firer of the pistol in OP's case would have had to have been in the toilet itself for the cartridge to end up where it seems it did.
Sorry its a wiki link, but this article gives you a basic idea of what I am rambling on about. wiki link
The second picture shows the ejection "port" where the spent cartridge comes out of the weapon..
Ok so he drops it and it get some blood as he carries Reeva out maybe,but covered in it? I cant see a reason for this.
Mr Nel told the court that Pistorius fired into the door of a small bathroom where Steenkamp was cowering after a shouting match. He fired four times and three bullets hit Steenkamp, the prosecutor said.
I am not a firearms expert, so can only guess that 3 of the bullets went into Reeva's body and the fourth went into the wall..although I am sure a more expert opinion will be offered for explanation. So that slug in the toilet basin..was it from passing through Reeva's body? Or was the slug still in the wall? We won't know until the trial.
Thanks for the info.:) I was wondering what the temp was, too.
It could be those silk lingerie type things you can wear at night as opposed to close fitted cotton shorts.
Oy DP, you are more likely to know about guns, is the casing found in the toilet bowl a game changer, or do casings end up anywhere?.
Thanks for that, appreciate it - will go and have a read.
I've not really read enough detailed information, if it is there, about this, but clearly a casing could not be ejected through a closed door into the bowl.
Whether it could have caught in the clothing of Pistorious, who carried it into the toilet when he entered, I dont know.
Hopefully the forensic teams will clear that up.
According to this, it was the actual slug/bullet found in the toilet basin, not the spent cartridge.
Testimony by Detective Warrant Officer Hilton Botha of the South African Police Service left prosecutors rubbing their temples, only able to look down at their notes as he misjudged distances and acknowledged a forensics team left in the toilet bowl one of the bullet slugs fired at Steenkamp. However, Botha still poked holes in Pistorius’ own account that he feared for his life and opened fire on Valentine’s Day after mistaking Steenkamp for an intruder.
That makes much more sense than a casing being there.
I have read a few reports that the defence say that they found a bullet in the toilet that had been missed by police. I cant seem to find a word for word transcript. Is there one. A bullet in the toilet could mean a bullet in the room or in the bowl itself.
Thanks that was what I was trying to find out.
I suppose we wont't know for sure until the trial, but that could be the case.
Being naturally suspicious, I do hope it has been handed over for forensic examination - otherwise couldn't it just have been 'found' in the toilet bowl to back up OP's account of events?(Particularly since the police didn't appear to see it when they searched). And anyway, what were OPs 'team' doing snooping around a potential crime scene - since when has a prime suspect been able to have their associates paddling around the crime scene doing separate investigations?
And if (as they are claiming) OP used a separate 'phone to call the emergency services, why hasn't this been passed straight to the police? Surely if it corroborates OP's story it would be one of the quickest ways to clear up any 'misunderstanidings'
I love the way we have all turned into Columbo/Frost/Morse/Lewis/Miss Marple/Poirot
I'm a Columbo ..................Erm... Just one more thing...
LOL and we have the case solved even though we only have 1/100 of the evidence and information:D
I'd like to be Endeavour...thinking it over with music and a pint!!
I'm afraid I blame my mother. These are the programmes I watched regularly on TV whilst growing up:
A Man Called Ironside
Z Cars
Dixon of Dock Green
Quincey
Cannon
The Sreets of San Francisco
Columbo
Kojak
The Expert (about forensic science helping to solve crimes)
Starskey & Hutch
Hawaii Five-O
Cagney & Lacey
Any Agatha Christie dramatisations.
So, I just can't help picking at stories/statements if they don't feel or look right.
I have to say, I'm not sure how much of a sleuth one has to be to smell a rat in this particular situation.
I dont see how this trial can be remotely fair or any judge and/or jury independent.
No jury, just judge(s).
Trials in SA do not use a jury, only judge/magistrates.
The assumption is that a trained member of the judiciary will decide the case on the evidence and will be less likely to be influenced by media etc.
I now wonder if the bat was used first to get Reeva out by banging on the door and when she didn't come out he came back with the gun
Seems OP has done a good job of destroying most of the evidence.
Had it been me I would have grabbed my partner and gone down the stairs with gun in hand. It would have been the fastest route and least life threatening.