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    hyperstarspongehyperstarsponge Posts: 16,706
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    LostFool wrote: »
    If your workplace has any sense it won't allow any updates on company machines until they have fully tested it with all of their in-house applications. As an IT manager, the last thing you need when you have 1000 PCs to support is people manually downloading Windows 10 onto their work machine.

    The vast majority of companies are still on Windows 7 (and some on XP) because there wasn't any benefit to them for going to Windows 8 - and there were lots of problems too. Windows 10 is a different proposition though and there are some significant advantages so you will slowly see corporate IT departments upgrading - though the never do anything fast.

    The good thing about Windows 10 so far is the start menu and no other operating system after it. We will wait and see how it comes however.
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    Hut27Hut27 Posts: 1,673
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    I'm very ancient and not into Games at all. I had to get a new DeskTop Tower as although I was very happy with XP, the system was 10yrs old and very very slow.
    I now have BT fibre optic connection and Windows 8.1. I find it so hard to understand what with APPS and Bing??? and all sorts of rubbish. It has already cost me an additional £50 to get IT specialist to clean out some Automatic Updates that were causing me problems. I wish I'd never heard of 8.1.
    I had to buy a new Camera as my perfectly good SONY DSC P92 was not compatible with 8.1 which refused to accept the Sony Driver. I now have a Nikon Coolpix S3500 and find it harder to use than the Sony, not to take pic's but to put them on PC and recover to email them.
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    jrajra Posts: 48,325
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    swishbaby wrote: »
    Quite happy with Vista thanks all the same.

    You can't upgrade free of charge from Vista anyway. You'll need at least Windows 7 service pack 1.

    Although, according to Microsoft you can install from a blank partition, so presumably there is a product id/serial key check as part of the process.

    :confused:
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    finluxfinlux Posts: 3,252
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    Still not sure if I'll upgrade.

    I have 7 on my desktop - I doubt very much I'll upgrade that at the mo, and 8.1 with Classic Shell on my laptop (non touch).

    I use 10 on my desktop with VMware - I just can't seem to get excited about it, like I have with previous versions of Windows....
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    SJ_MentalSJ_Mental Posts: 16,138
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    I shall wait for all the issues everyone else will undoubtedly have on release to be fixed then download.
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    noise747noise747 Posts: 30,857
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    Why Apple, their iShit is aimed at the masses of sheep who'd rather pay extortionate prices for style over substance. If you're serious about veering away from Windows, then why not install some flavour of Linux instead? Debian would be a good place to start.

    Dedian for a beginner? something like Mint would be better.
    The problem with Linux is the lack of software and the quality of some of it.
    If you are just going to browse the net and use office type software then it is fine.

    I would have gone for Linux as my main OS if the software I want to use was better.


    I am looking at Apple myself, maybe a Mac mini at some point.
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    1manonthebog1manonthebog Posts: 3,707
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    noise747 wrote: »
    Dedian for a beginner? something like Mint would be better.
    The problem with Linux is the lack of software and the quality of some of it.
    If you are just going to browse the net and use office type software then it is fine.

    I would have gone for Linux as my main OS if the software I want to use was better.


    I am looking at Apple myself, maybe a Mac mini at some point.

    In the usability front Linux is a step back from Windows. I've tried various distros over the years, there is always an issue with something whether it be drivers or whatever and you need to use terminal and I don't have a clue and further more have no interest in learning. I want something that just works and for the most part Windows and OS X just work
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    and101and101 Posts: 2,688
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    Hut27 wrote: »
    I had to buy a new Camera as my perfectly good SONY DSC P92 was not compatible with 8.1 which refused to accept the Sony Driver. I now have a Nikon Coolpix S3500 and find it harder to use than the Sony, not to take pic's but to put them on PC and recover to email them.

    Wouldn't it have been cheaper to just buy a memory card reader to copy the photos from the Sony cameras memory stick onto the computer rather than buying a complete new camera?
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    Slarti BartfastSlarti Bartfast Posts: 6,607
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    Hut27 wrote: »
    I'm very ancient and not into Games at all. I had to get a new DeskTop Tower as although I was very happy with XP, the system was 10yrs old and very very slow.
    I now have BT fibre optic connection and Windows 8.1. I find it so hard to understand what with APPS and Bing??? and all sorts of rubbish. It has already cost me an additional £50 to get IT specialist to clean out some Automatic Updates that were causing me problems. I wish I'd never heard of 8.1.
    I had to buy a new Camera as my perfectly good SONY DSC P92 was not compatible with 8.1 which refused to accept the Sony Driver. I now have a Nikon Coolpix S3500 and find it harder to use than the Sony, not to take pic's but to put them on PC and recover to email them.

    Couldn't you just connect it to the PC with a USB lead? Would have cost you all of £1.
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    abarthmanabarthman Posts: 8,501
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    and101 wrote: »
    Wouldn't it have been cheaper to just buy a memory card reader to copy the photos from the Sony cameras memory stick onto the computer rather than buying a complete new camera?
    I'm surprised that people even connect their digital cameras to their computers.

    I've always just pulled the memory card out and put it into a card reader. Much less of a faff.

    All my camera leads are still sealed in their poly bags in the camera boxes in some landfill site!
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    and101and101 Posts: 2,688
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    treefr0g wrote: »
    You're probably doing the right thing. The people that will benefit mostly are the people with software on their laptop which was designed for a tablet!(windows 8).

    I wonder how many people like me ar thinking that this is the last chance for Microsoft before I go fully Apple.

    Apple is going down the same route as Windows 8 with full screen apps and having to buy applications through their Apple app store.
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    noise747noise747 Posts: 30,857
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    In the usability front Linux is a step back from Windows. I've tried various distros over the years, there is always an issue with something whether it be drivers or whatever and you need to use terminal and I don't have a clue and further more have no interest in learning. I want something that just works and for the most part Windows and OS X just work

    I have put Linux on a few peoples older computers and they all seem to be fine with it, I have shown them how to download updates and get new software. Only one person I know is having problems and that is because he have forgotten his root password, so can not download updates.
    I will sort it out when I have time.


    i have linux on this computer (mint) and no problem at all, I have had no need to use terminal what so ever.
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    noise747noise747 Posts: 30,857
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    abarthman wrote: »
    I'm surprised that people even connect their digital cameras to their computers.

    I've always just pulled the memory card out and put it into a card reader. Much less of a faff.

    All my camera leads are still sealed in their poly bags in the camera boxes in some landfill site!

    I normally connect my video camera to my computer via the lead, it is easier when I have got the video camera and still camera, plus the Zoom mic as the same cable fits in all three, easier than taking cards out, certainly with the zoom mike, with its tiny card.
    Also I can copy files from two devices at the same time with cables.
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    Old EndeavourOld Endeavour Posts: 9,852
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    SJ_Mental wrote: »
    I shall wait for all the issues everyone else will undoubtedly have on release to be fixed then download.

    I used to remember when that was half of the fun - Now as I'm getting older, it's just a pain in the arse! :D

    But that's why I now have a clean drive waiting for it and if it all goes pair-shaped, I just plug my Windows 7 drive back in.
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    and101and101 Posts: 2,688
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    noise747 wrote: »
    I normally connect my video camera to my computer via the lead, it is easier when I have got the video camera and still camera, plus the Zoom mic as the same cable fits in all three, easier than taking cards out, certainly with the zoom mike, with its tiny card.
    Also I can copy files from two devices at the same time with cables.

    Video cameras are normally a bit different as they often store the video on internal memory or on a Mini DV cassette. It is often faster and easier to just plug the video camera in and transfer the videos directly over USB or firewire.

    The problem with a lot of digital cameras is that manufacturers like to use their own proprietary connectors, even when the cable is just using USB, so you end up with a pile of different cables with connectors that are a tiny bit different making them all incompatible with each other.

    I just picked up a new panasonic lx100 camera as I wanted something small to carry on my bike and it came with a proprietary cable that isn't even compatible with my old panasonic camera. It does have built in wifi but it takes about 20 seconds to transfer each raw image to the PC. It is far easier and quicker to just pull out the memory card and copy the files off.
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    jrajra Posts: 48,325
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    abarthman wrote: »
    I'm surprised that people even connect their digital cameras to their computers.

    I've always just pulled the memory card out and put it into a card reader. Much less of a faff.

    All my camera leads are still sealed in their poly bags in the camera boxes in some landfill site!

    Horses for courses. I find it easier to plug a lead in, rather than open a cover, take out the card and put it in the PC. I keep the camera lead with my camera.
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    Billy_ValueBilly_Value Posts: 22,920
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    jra wrote: »
    Horses for courses. I find it easier to plug a lead in, rather than open a cover, take out the card and put it in the PC. I keep the camera lead with my camera.

    it is much easier taking the memory card out
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    Mark39LondonMark39London Posts: 3,977
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    it is much easier taking the memory card out

    For me, it depends on the lead.

    If it's a standard Mini or Micro USB, then I already have the leads connected to the back of my PC. If it's a proprietary lead, then I take the card out.
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    hyperstarspongehyperstarsponge Posts: 16,706
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    I am going to say that we should only have basics for the not so technicality minded people on this thread. Anything more technical should be in the computing forum. I made this GD thread for the casual user not the experts as their discussion is elsewhere on DS forums. This also means that discussion on prototype version should really be kept off here too.
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    jrajra Posts: 48,325
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    I am going to say that we should only have basics for the not so technicality minded people on this thread. Anything more technical should be in the computing forum. I made this GD thread for the casual user not the experts as their discussion is elsewhere on DS forums. This also means that discussion on prototype version should really be kept off here too.

    Fair enough. I did wonder why you started the thread here, but now I understand.
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    hyperstarspongehyperstarsponge Posts: 16,706
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    jra wrote: »
    Fair enough. I did wonder why you started the thread here, but now I understand.

    Now someone has moved it to the place that all ready has half a dozen Windows 10 threads :(
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    noise747noise747 Posts: 30,857
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    and101 wrote: »
    Video cameras are normally a bit different as they often store the video on internal memory or on a Mini DV cassette. It is often faster and easier to just plug the video camera in and transfer the videos directly over USB or firewire.

    How far back are you going? Most camcorders use Sd cards, some of the cheaper ones may have built in memory and Mini DV is out of the running these days and very few camcorders come with Firewire now.
    The problem with a lot of digital cameras is that manufacturers like to use their own proprietary connectors, even when the cable is just using USB, so you end up with a pile of different cables with connectors that are a tiny bit different making them all incompatible with each other.

    I just picked up a new panasonic lx100 camera as I wanted something small to carry on my bike and it came with a proprietary cable that isn't even compatible with my old panasonic camera. It does have built in wifi but it takes about 20 seconds to transfer each raw image to the PC. It is far easier and quicker to just pull out the memory card and copy the files off.

    That is the problem, I have seen a lot of digital cameras with strange connectors.
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    PuckyPucky Posts: 4,521
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    I connect my Canon DSLR straight to my laptop/PC. It's much less faffing than finding the card reader (cos it's never where I left it) then the cable (cos I borrowed it to plug into something else). My camera cable is kept in my camera bag so I know where it is and it's easy to plug in - the Canon software recognises it straight away and loads the transfer software.
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    simmersimmer Posts: 953
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    I will definitely download it as soon as I can.
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    Hut27Hut27 Posts: 1,673
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    Couldn't you just connect it to the PC with a USB lead? Would have cost you all of £1.

    Sorry I don't understand, my Sony was always connected with a USB Cable when using old Tower and XP.
    I connected same Sony using same USB to my new Tower and 8.1 and was told not compatible as driver was Ancient. Like me I suppose, I have loaded new Disc for my Nikon into 8.1 system and find it doesn't put Pic's into my Docs like Sony and XP did and it makes it harder to recover them to attache to Emails, which is my only reason to want to put Pic's on computer.
    I was very apprehensive about posting on this Forum as I knew I would be baffled by Abbreviations and the like ,being 78 ,I don't understand the jargon, and what is a Memory Stick?,can it be reused? do you have to download or wipe it clean. My head is spinning. Wish I'd never seen 8.1 and its pre-loaded rubbish(Apps).
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