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FARAGE VS MILIBAND Debate?

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    David TeeDavid Tee Posts: 22,833
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    paul2307 wrote: »
    This is Ed Miliband we are talking about not a competent politician :confused:

    Very true. However, it's also UKIP who don't even believe in their own policies they change them so regularly.
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    ecco66ecco66 Posts: 16,117
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    jjwales wrote: »
    Interesting. I note the use of old-fashioned punctuation too. (No full stop needed after Mr or London.) They could have gone one further and put the phone number as HOLborn (or whatever) 1308...
    That's now given them an idea for their next letter....
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    David TeeDavid Tee Posts: 22,833
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    dosanjh1 wrote: »
    Why would he do that? What is the purpose of this illusion?

    Harking back to those glorious days when typewriters were the norm, people actually wrote letters and most importantly, the UK wasn't stuffed full of foreigners.

    (just a guess and not my own view, obv.)
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    paul2307paul2307 Posts: 8,079
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    David Tee wrote: »
    Very true. However, it's also UKIP who don't even believe in their own policies they change them so regularly.

    Is that change them or adapt them to reflect public opinion ? parties are elected to do what we want them to do not what they want to do
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 12,003
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    Dear Nigel:

    Thanks for the invitation.
    I'd be delighted.
    Can you send round a copy of the UKIP manifesto beforehand, so I can remind myself. My copy's getting old and I can't seem to lay my hands on a more recent one.

    Love
    Ed
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    David TeeDavid Tee Posts: 22,833
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    paul2307 wrote: »
    Is that change them or adapt them to reflect public opinion ? parties are elected to do what we want them to do not what they want to do

    The savvy parties tend to blow in the wind of whatever direction popular opinion is coming from but there are still those who campaign on the basis of what they believe in. Personally, I know who I'd trust more, even if I didn't like what they stood for.
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    [Deleted User][Deleted User] Posts: 248
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    Ed has bottled it.

    https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/532921773948698624

    What a LOSER.

    :kitty:
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    dosanjh1dosanjh1 Posts: 8,727
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    David Tee wrote: »
    Harking back to those glorious days when typewriters were the norm, people actually wrote letters and most importantly, the UK wasn't stuffed full of foreigners.

    Got it. It's quite impressive really,they offer a fully immersive experience.
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    paul2307paul2307 Posts: 8,079
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    David Tee wrote: »
    The savvy parties tend to blow in the wind of whatever direction popular opinion is coming from but there are still those who campaign on the basis of what they believe in. Personally, I know who I'd trust more, even if I didn't like what they stood for.

    I despise Labour and what they have done to this country and would never trust them
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    RaferRafer Posts: 14,231
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    paul2307 wrote: »
    I despise Labour and what they have done to this country and would never trust them

    I would be prepared to trust them. But only if they demonstrated that they knew where they went wrong previously and could show a commitment to not screwing up again. Sadly I do not believe they have learned anything since getting kicked out in 2010.
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    Gregory ShapeGregory Shape Posts: 2,595
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    Rafer wrote: »
    I would be prepared to trust them. But only if they demonstrated that they knew where they went wrong previously and could show a commitment to not screwing up again. Sadly I do not believe they have learned anything since getting kicked out in 2010.

    They are unelectable. I predict they'll be decimated in next year's GE.
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    David TeeDavid Tee Posts: 22,833
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    paul2307 wrote: »
    I despise Labour and what they have done to this country and would never trust them

    I think we're talking about two different kinds of trust here. I'm talking about trusting politicians who stand on the basis of what they believe in against those who just pander to popular opinion and sway in the breeze. I think you can trust the former, I don't think you can trust the latter. Whether you'd ever want to vote for the former is a different issue.
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    Phil_CoulthardPhil_Coulthard Posts: 2,843
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    LibLabCON wrote: »
    Ed has bottled it.

    https://twitter.com/Nigel_Farage/status/532921773948698624

    What a LOSER.

    :kitty:

    Are you suprised???

    He made Clegg look like a fool. he'd do a lot more to Millibands. I'm sure Ed wwould be a weeping mess on the floor if he went head to head with Farage
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    Diamond statDiamond stat Posts: 1,473
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    How dare Farage challenge Milliband to debate. What does he think we live in? Some sort of open democracy? He should just shut up and stop trying make politics bearable.

    Milliband wont go near Farage after what happened to Clegg. Speaking, debating, presenting and existing are not Milliband's strong points.
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    rusty123rusty123 Posts: 22,872
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    David Tee wrote: »
    Anyone left in any doubt that Farage is just an egotistical tw*t spoiling for a fight?

    I'm no fan of UKIP but to be fair to Farage all he's done is pick up the gauntlet Ed threw down. Will Ed put his money where his mouth is and take Farage on in a head to head?

    If he dithers it'll be another nail in his credibility coffin.
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    David TeeDavid Tee Posts: 22,833
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    rusty123 wrote: »
    I'm no fan of UKIP but to be fair to Farage all he's done is pick up the gauntlet Ed threw down. Will Ed put his money where his mouth is and take Farage on in a head to head?

    If he dithers it'll be another nail in his credibility coffin.

    Read back Rusty (post #13) - I don't Miliband was issuing a challenge. I read it as him telling the troops it was time to expose UKIP. Farage decided it was a challenge and in his usual loutish manner decided it was time for fisticuffs.

    Miliband has already turned him down, I believe. The man has a brain! Who'da thunk it...
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    paul2307paul2307 Posts: 8,079
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    Rafer wrote: »
    I would be prepared to trust them. But only if they demonstrated that they knew where they went wrong previously and could show a commitment to not screwing up again. Sadly I do not believe they have learned anything since getting kicked out in 2010.
    David Tee wrote: »
    I think we're talking about two different kinds of trust here. I'm talking about trusting politicians who stand on the basis of what they believe in against those who just pander to popular opinion and sway in the breeze. I think you can trust the former, I don't think you can trust the latter. Whether you'd ever want to vote for the former is a different issue.

    I remember Callaghan going cap in hand to the IMF after he had bankrupted the country,streets knee deep in rubbish the dead going unburied they will never learn

    I also remember a certain Labour Education minister saying dyslexia didn't exist and that it was down to bad teaching , she was also against private education , like so many of her ilk who themselves benefitted from private education and also send their children to private schools, as soon as her daughter was diagnosed as being dyslexic she whipped out of a state school and put into a private school that specialises in dyslexia

    Labour politicians have no beliefs other than their own comfort
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    Diamond statDiamond stat Posts: 1,473
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    Dear Nigel:

    Thanks for the invitation.
    I'd be delighted.
    Can you send round a copy of the UKIP manifesto beforehand, so I can remind myself. My copy's getting old and I can't seem to lay my hands on a more recent one.

    Love
    Ed

    Ed would never have the logic to write something so coherent. I am guessing his response would be more like:


    Look, let be serious here. I believe passionately in what I believe in. My parents were immigrants and when they came to the UK... etc etc etc..
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    David TeeDavid Tee Posts: 22,833
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    paul2307 wrote: »
    I remember Callaghan going cap in hand to the IMF after he had bankrupted the country,streets knee deep in rubbish the dead going unburied they will never learn

    I also remember a certain Labour Education minister saying dyslexia didn't exist and that it was down to bad teaching , she was also against private education , like so many of her ilk who themselves benefitted from private education and also send their children to private schools, as soon as her daughter was diagnosed as being dyslexic she whipped out of a state school and put into a private school that specialises in dyslexia

    Labour politicians have no beliefs other than their own comfort

    It's certainly true of them recently (past two decades), they've been moving all over the political spectrum trying to find a home...
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    paul2307paul2307 Posts: 8,079
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    David Tee wrote: »
    It's certainly true of them recently (past two decades), they've been moving all over the political spectrum trying to find a home...

    Its been a long time since we have had any of what I call proper politicians on either side , where are the politicians of high calibre now , I think Douglas Hurd was the last one that I can remember
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    rusty123rusty123 Posts: 22,872
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    David Tee wrote: »
    Read back Rusty (post #13) - I don't Miliband was issuing a challenge. I read it as him telling the troops it was time to expose UKIP. Farage decided it was a challenge and in his usual loutish manner decided it was time for fisticuffs.

    Miliband has already turned him down, I believe. The man has a brain! Who'da thunk it...

    I heard the speech. If Miliband wants to proclaim he's right, everybody else is wrong (or has a vested interest in stopping him (a bit too tinfoil for my blood)), running scared of him (the Cameron tv debate line) and that he's going to reform politics then as far as I'm concerned he's issued a challenge.

    Even though I tend to share your view of Farage's manner (although it's not as if he has anything to lose by saying "bring it on" so politically it was a no brainer for Farage) I think Ed instantly shying away will simply confirm a conclusion people are increasingly coming to, ie Ed's all mouth - no trousers
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    trevgotrevgo Posts: 28,241
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    dosanjh1 wrote: »
    Why does he still use a Typewriter? Surely his MEP expenses stretch to a desktop computer?

    Exactly what I was thinking. I expect UKIP want nothing to do with those new fangled computer things. Besides, he has 3 boxes of ribbons in the loft and they need using up.

    That logo is so bloody tacky and tawdry too.
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    paul2307paul2307 Posts: 8,079
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    rusty123 wrote: »
    I heard the speech. If Miliband wants to proclaim he's right, everybody else is wrong (or has a vested interest in stopping him (a bit too tinfoil for my blood)), running scared of him (the Cameron tv debate line) and that he's going to reform politics then as far as I'm concerned he's issued a challenge.

    Even though I tend to share your view of Farage's manner (although it's not as if he has anything to lose by saying "bring it on" so politically it was a no brainer for Farage) I think Ed instantly shying away will simply confirm a conclusion people are increasingly coming to, ie Ed's all mouth - no trousers

    Well if he does have any we know they will be the wrong ones :D

    http://movielottery.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/film-17-the-wrong-trousers.jpg
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    rusty123rusty123 Posts: 22,872
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    paul2307 wrote: »
    Well if he does have any we know they will be the wrong ones :D

    http://movielottery.files.wordpress.com/2013/04/film-17-the-wrong-trousers.jpg

    :D:D

    I didn't realise I was gifting someone a Wallace joke.
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    bspacebspace Posts: 14,303
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    wendy09 wrote: »
    pointless to have a debate with farage because ukip-ers no matter what he says will always hear what they want to hear and never concede defeat.

    there are lots of ways to dissect a 'kipper that doesnt need giving airtime to a man whose party is aligned with the neo fascists in the european parliament.

    I thought you were talking about Farage not Cameron
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