Does that explain why they were eating so fast or are they just ravenously hungry?
Was surprised the the guy's eczma wasn't picked up before he was approved to start the training. Surely, they'd have had to complete questionaires about every aspect of their health bearing in mind the physical demands of the job?
Having both children in the military, and the youngest now a drill instructor at Pirbright, eating is known as 'scoff'. Recruits eat as much as they can in the little time available
My father was a Commando at the end of WW2. He never told me anything about his service. He did say the training was very hard and that the guys training them were some of the hardest men he had ever met in his life.
I only saw one instance myself of any abilities he had - later in his career he was an unarmed combat instructor himself. Many many years later in the late 80s he and I were sharing a double room in a hotel in Cologne where were at a trade fair. During the night reception mistakenly double let our room and in the small hours the door suddenly opened and two german guys walked in.
I'm sure he was asleep before hand but he had one down and the other against the wall with his arm twisted up his back before I was properly awake. He was in his 60s by then and, as he put it, too old and too fat for much excercise!
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I thought the same thing. They didn't exactly come accross as the brightest bunch of young men did they? As you say I thought the RM were supposed to be the elite?
Aren't the brightest people usually doing a job where you will earn more money and not get shot at? It was a decent show although Bad Lads' Army was probably better. Why was one of the recruits face blocked out?
I thought the same thing. They didn't exactly come accross as the brightest bunch of young men did they? As you say I thought the RM were supposed to be the elite? :confused:
Thats what they will be trained to be, yes
They aren't going to look like the dogs after just 2 weeks of admin and phys i'm afraid
nor are you going to get a true representation of RM training from these episodes, an insight of course, but each 1 hour episode will be covering 2 weeks worth training, 336 hours worth shortened down to just 1 hour to serve the producers agenda (entertainment), editing of footage can dramatically alter the message sent to the viewer, so bare that in mind for future episodes
There is a lot you are not going to be shown of Training
I must admit though, whoever put a bag of wet clothes in the drying room....what an idiot
Aren't the brightest people usually doing a job where you will earn more money and not get shot at? It was a decent show although Bad Lads' Army was probably better. Why was one of the recruits face blocked out?
I was wondering the same
but thinking about it, Probably more likely that he didn't pass out and then said that he didn't want to appear on camera. I imagine that it is better for the film makers to just blank out his face than to potentially lose the bit of footage if they really want it included
but thinking about it, Probably more likely that he didn't pass out and then said that he didn't want to appear on camera. I imagine that it is better for the film makers to just blank out his face than to potentially lose the bit of footage if they really want it included
I assume
It occured to me that the ones with blanked faces might be on operations. When was this filmed? Over nine months ago? He could be badged and away with his mates.
I appreciate they won't show everything or even a fraction of it, for very good reason. Will they still be carted to Norway for snowball fights and swimming in the frozen lakes?
I was told a funny story about my mate's service and going to Norway later on, years after his basic training. Requisitioned Landy, bull bars, extra spots and ski racks were involved. Oh, and it had a respray. Alegedly.
It occured to me that the ones with blanked faces might be on operations. When was this filmed? Over nine months ago? He could be badged and away with his mates.
I appreciate they won't show everything or even a fraction of it, for very good reason. Will they still be carted to Norway for snowball fights and swimming in the frozen lakes?
I was told a funny story about my mate's service and going to Norway later on, years after his basic training. Requisitioned Landy, bull bars, extra spots and ski racks were involved. Oh, and it had a respray. Alegedly.
The filming actually started in January this year, 180 troop actually haven't passed out yet, I believe they are currently in week 24 of Training
The producers, from what I gather won't be following the same troop all the way through, They've been filming a few different Troops, from the newest troop to the oldest troop (the Kings Squad)
During Training the only abroad trip the Recruits make is to France for a weekend to visit the memorials etc the Trips to Norway will be once you've passed out and joined a Commando Unit
They aren't going to look like the dogs after just 2 weeks of admin and phys i'm afraid
nor are you going to get a true representation of RM training from these episodes, an insight of course, but each 1 hour episode will be covering 2 weeks worth training, 336 hours worth shortened down to just 1 hour to serve the producers agenda (entertainment), editing of footage can dramatically alter the message sent to the viewer, so bare that in mind for future episodes
There is a lot you are not going to be shown of Training
I must admit though, whoever put a bag of wet clothes in the drying room....what an idiot
To be fair it wasn't just the drying room incident. The fumbling about trying to remember their own name, rank and number, the limp responses, lack of any sense of urgency and even the childish way one or two them run, was all quite eye-opening. As were the lessons in basic self-care. As one lad grinned, completely unabashed, Me mam does all that for me.
I too thought that the marines were supposed to be an elite, and that you had to be in the army before you could even apply - or is that just in the States? Compare these guys to the American special troops in another doc, 'Making the Cut' - which I know is for higher ranked specialists, but it's the same kind of thing - and the difference in physique, self-discipline and intelligence is startling. I did wonder if they were all deliberately acting like clowns for the telly, in a 'British sense of humour' way.
That aside, the programme itself was fascinating. And Froggy's baffling catchphrases 'Chill your beans' and 'Wind your tits in' are surely destined to become classics.
but thinking about it, Probably more likely that he didn't pass out and then said that he didn't want to appear on camera. I imagine that it is better for the film makers to just blank out his face than to potentially lose the bit of footage if they really want it included
I assume
It happens on all reality programmes, you will often see a police officer or paramedic blanked out, they often blame on them doing covert work but I suspect more likely they just don't want publicity (or embarrassment). I can't imagine many paramedics needing blanking out because they are doing covert work. If someone had appeared with a camera at my work I would have wanted removing - when the staff newspaper sent a reporter I just kept out of the way.
To be fair it wasn't just the drying room incident. The fumbling about trying to remember their own name, rank and number, the limp responses, lack of any sense of urgency and even the childish way one or two them run, was all quite eye-opening. As were the lessons in basic self-care. As one lad grinned, completely unabashed, Me mam does all that for me.
I too thought that the marines were supposed to be an elite, and that you had to be in the army before you could even apply - or is that just in the States? Compare these guys to the American special troops in another doc, 'Making the Cut' - which I know is for higher ranked specialists, but it's the same kind of thing - and the difference in physique, self-discipline and intelligence is startling. I did wonder if they were all deliberately acting like clowns for the telly, in a 'British sense of humour' way.
That aside, the programme itself was fascinating. And Froggy's baffling catchphrases 'Chill your beans' and 'Wind your tits in' are surely destined to become classics.
Oh I know its not just the drying incident, but you need to remember its the editing
if the editing focuses on silly remarks and silly mistakes, then its going to look like they are pretty silly,
Also its a completely new 'on the edge' environment for them all, some will cope better than others, but in those situations whilst learning to adjust to such alien environments compared to Civvi street, simple things do become strangely difficult 'at times' because you've constantly got to be thinking at a million miles an hour rushing to do things, and taking everything in, that side of things haven't been edited into the filming, but from personal experience, its there
at the start of training you kind of fear your training team, so when suddenly confronted by them you've got all sorts of things racing through your head, that when spoken too, all that comes out your mouth is gobbledy gook lol
they will get the hang of it all though as I'm sure we'll see in the up and coming episodes
Also you don't have to have Army experience before joining the Marines, that is only for the Special Forces like the SAS SBS etc, the Royal Marines are not Special Forces, but they are a highly trained Elite Group highly regarded around the world for their professionalism, same as the Paras, they too are regarded as the Elite
Aren't the brightest people usually doing a job where you will earn more money and not get shot at? It was a decent show although Bad Lads' Army was probably better. Why was one of the recruits face blocked out?
Not really. I served with a chap who already had a PhD when he joined up and plenty go on to study for a degree or an MBA. Plenty of people like the challenge and experience of a job that is fundamentally different to normal work. They also like adventurous training and sport.
Don't forget that this is just the first two weeks and a lot of the recruits probably haven't spent much time away from home or had to do their own cleaning. Go and have a look at the average Uni halls of residence and you will soon see how bad some kids are
Someone said earlier in the thread that you have to give permission to have your face shown in a documentary, so he might have refused for some reason.
Oh I know its not just the drying incident, but you need to remember its the editing
if the editing focuses on silly remarks and silly mistakes, then its going to look like they are pretty silly,
Also its a completely new 'on the edge' environment for them all, some will cope better than others, but in those situations whilst learning to adjust to such alien environments compared to Civvi street, simple things do become strangely difficult 'at times' because you've constantly got to be thinking at a million miles an hour rushing to do things, and taking everything in, that side of things haven't been edited into the filming, but from personal experience, its there
at the start of training you kind of fear your training team, so when suddenly confronted by them you've got all sorts of things racing through your head, that when spoken too, all that comes out your mouth is gobbledy gook lol
they will get the hang of it all though as I'm sure we'll see in the up and coming episodes
Also you don't have to have Army experience before joining the Marines, that is only for the Special Forces like the SAS SBS etc, the Royal Marines are not Special Forces, but they are a highly trained Elite Group highly regarded around the world for their professionalism, same as the Paras, they too are regarded as the Elite
Point taken Joey_J. I agree that it's entirely up to the director whether participants in this kind of programme come across as heroic/dorky/whatever. And that the rookies have to mess up, deeply and often, for there to be a transformation that will keep viewers hooked.
But, man alive - somebody tell the producers that we have a country to defend. Don't sell the programme to Russia, Putin will fall off his perch laughing
After a long time in covert surveillance ,being a bystander to these forums this thread has made me break my cover lol!I am a Bootneck mum,and lived through every minute of the RM training when my son joined in 2009.Enjoyed the programme-it brought it all back and reminded me what made my son the potty mouth he is today.I had to laugh when they all arrived and carrying their cases,nobody wheeling them.My son said that when he arrived for the first time,lads got off the train and started wheeling their cases,but the corporal yelled 'pick them up,what are you,f***ing air hostesses?'
Oh I know its not just the drying incident, but you need to remember its the editing
if the editing focuses on silly remarks and silly mistakes, then its going to look like they are pretty silly,
Also its a completely new 'on the edge' environment for them all, some will cope better than others, but in those situations whilst learning to adjust to such alien environments compared to Civvi street, simple things do become strangely difficult 'at times' because you've constantly got to be thinking at a million miles an hour rushing to do things, and taking everything in, that side of things haven't been edited into the filming, but from personal experience, its there
at the start of training you kind of fear your training team, so when suddenly confronted by them you've got all sorts of things racing through your head, that when spoken too, all that comes out your mouth is gobbledy gook lol
they will get the hang of it all though as I'm sure we'll see in the up and coming episodes
Also you don't have to have Army experience before joining the Marines, that is only for the Special Forces like the SAS SBS etc, the Royal Marines are not Special Forces, but they are a highly trained Elite Group highly regarded around the world for their professionalism, same as the Paras, they too are regarded as the Elite
I agree. It is very easy to make new, young recruits look a bit silly with selective editing.
It is also very difficult to convey two key factors in basic training (I'm talking generally here; I've never done bootie training):
Firstly, the pressure. You know fine well that if you don't get up to scratch, you'll be binned. You are deliberately not given enough time to complete most tasks properly, no matter how hard you try.
Secondly, the relentlessless of it all. These guys are brutally tired. Not tired in that you stayed up all night to watch the whole box set of Sex and the City; tired as in racing around in sustained, intense physical activity with minimal rest. One bloke said he had one hour's sleep in the last 48 and he almost certainly wasn't exaggerating. That level of fatigue makes you forget your own name, never mind a service number. It makes you physically clumsy, it makes you slow.
I remember that series about the 55-year old bloke that 'passed' the commando tests. Yeah, it's a fücking sight easier when you've just had a night in a hotel instead of bulling boots until 4am.
I agree. It is very easy to make new, young recruits look a bit silly with selective editing.
It is also very difficult to convey two key factors in basic training (I'm talking generally here; I've never done bootie training):
Firstly, the pressure. You know fine well that if you don't get up to scratch, you'll be binned. You are deliberately not given enough time to complete most tasks properly, no matter how hard you try.
Secondly, the relentlessless of it all. These guys are brutally tired. Not tired in that you stayed up all night to watch the whole box set of Sex and the City; tired as in racing around in sustained, intense physical activity with minimal rest. One bloke said he had one hour's sleep in the last 48 and he almost certainly wasn't exaggerating. That level of fatigue makes you forget your own name, never mind a service number. It makes you physically clumsy, it makes you slow.
I remember that series about the 55-year old bloke that 'passed' the commando tests. Yeah, it's a fücking sight easier when you've just had a night in a hotel instead of bulling boots until 4am.
Spot on on all counts, very well said
The viewing public often forget these military programs aren't going to be thorough depictions of what its 'actually' like mainly because they won't be aloud to show what its actually like but also because they aren't recruitment tools (although a lot of interest is gained from them), they are produced by TV production companies for TV entertainment values to be broadcast across the nation, and thats what the editing producers are going to set as their target.
Anyone who wants to find out why the Royal's have such a huge reputation not just in the UK Armed Forces but by many other Armed Forces around the World, the best way to find out is to attempt to join ;-)
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Having both children in the military, and the youngest now a drill instructor at Pirbright, eating is known as 'scoff'. Recruits eat as much as they can in the little time available
They didnt even show them setting fire to their farts.
I only saw one instance myself of any abilities he had - later in his career he was an unarmed combat instructor himself. Many many years later in the late 80s he and I were sharing a double room in a hotel in Cologne where were at a trade fair. During the night reception mistakenly double let our room and in the small hours the door suddenly opened and two german guys walked in.
I'm sure he was asleep before hand but he had one down and the other against the wall with his arm twisted up his back before I was properly awake. He was in his 60s by then and, as he put it, too old and too fat for much excercise!
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I thought the same thing. They didn't exactly come accross as the brightest bunch of young men did they? As you say I thought the RM were supposed to be the elite?
Thats what they will be trained to be, yes
They aren't going to look like the dogs after just 2 weeks of admin and phys i'm afraid
nor are you going to get a true representation of RM training from these episodes, an insight of course, but each 1 hour episode will be covering 2 weeks worth training, 336 hours worth shortened down to just 1 hour to serve the producers agenda (entertainment), editing of footage can dramatically alter the message sent to the viewer, so bare that in mind for future episodes
There is a lot you are not going to be shown of Training
I must admit though, whoever put a bag of wet clothes in the drying room....what an idiot
I was wondering the same
but thinking about it, Probably more likely that he didn't pass out and then said that he didn't want to appear on camera. I imagine that it is better for the film makers to just blank out his face than to potentially lose the bit of footage if they really want it included
I assume
It occured to me that the ones with blanked faces might be on operations. When was this filmed? Over nine months ago? He could be badged and away with his mates.
I appreciate they won't show everything or even a fraction of it, for very good reason. Will they still be carted to Norway for snowball fights and swimming in the frozen lakes?
I was told a funny story about my mate's service and going to Norway later on, years after his basic training. Requisitioned Landy, bull bars, extra spots and ski racks were involved. Oh, and it had a respray. Alegedly.
The filming actually started in January this year, 180 troop actually haven't passed out yet, I believe they are currently in week 24 of Training
The producers, from what I gather won't be following the same troop all the way through, They've been filming a few different Troops, from the newest troop to the oldest troop (the Kings Squad)
During Training the only abroad trip the Recruits make is to France for a weekend to visit the memorials etc the Trips to Norway will be once you've passed out and joined a Commando Unit
I too thought that the marines were supposed to be an elite, and that you had to be in the army before you could even apply - or is that just in the States? Compare these guys to the American special troops in another doc, 'Making the Cut' - which I know is for higher ranked specialists, but it's the same kind of thing - and the difference in physique, self-discipline and intelligence is startling. I did wonder if they were all deliberately acting like clowns for the telly, in a 'British sense of humour' way.
That aside, the programme itself was fascinating. And Froggy's baffling catchphrases 'Chill your beans' and 'Wind your tits in' are surely destined to become classics.
It happens on all reality programmes, you will often see a police officer or paramedic blanked out, they often blame on them doing covert work but I suspect more likely they just don't want publicity (or embarrassment). I can't imagine many paramedics needing blanking out because they are doing covert work. If someone had appeared with a camera at my work I would have wanted removing - when the staff newspaper sent a reporter I just kept out of the way.
Oh I know its not just the drying incident, but you need to remember its the editing
if the editing focuses on silly remarks and silly mistakes, then its going to look like they are pretty silly,
Also its a completely new 'on the edge' environment for them all, some will cope better than others, but in those situations whilst learning to adjust to such alien environments compared to Civvi street, simple things do become strangely difficult 'at times' because you've constantly got to be thinking at a million miles an hour rushing to do things, and taking everything in, that side of things haven't been edited into the filming, but from personal experience, its there
at the start of training you kind of fear your training team, so when suddenly confronted by them you've got all sorts of things racing through your head, that when spoken too, all that comes out your mouth is gobbledy gook lol
they will get the hang of it all though as I'm sure we'll see in the up and coming episodes
Also you don't have to have Army experience before joining the Marines, that is only for the Special Forces like the SAS SBS etc, the Royal Marines are not Special Forces, but they are a highly trained Elite Group highly regarded around the world for their professionalism, same as the Paras, they too are regarded as the Elite
Not really. I served with a chap who already had a PhD when he joined up and plenty go on to study for a degree or an MBA. Plenty of people like the challenge and experience of a job that is fundamentally different to normal work. They also like adventurous training and sport.
Don't forget that this is just the first two weeks and a lot of the recruits probably haven't spent much time away from home or had to do their own cleaning. Go and have a look at the average Uni halls of residence and you will soon see how bad some kids are
Someone said earlier in the thread that you have to give permission to have your face shown in a documentary, so he might have refused for some reason.
Point taken Joey_J. I agree that it's entirely up to the director whether participants in this kind of programme come across as heroic/dorky/whatever. And that the rookies have to mess up, deeply and often, for there to be a transformation that will keep viewers hooked.
But, man alive - somebody tell the producers that we have a country to defend. Don't sell the programme to Russia, Putin will fall off his perch laughing
Royal Marine plummeted 100ft to his death
I'll ask for the threads to be merged
lol little point, mine only got two replies
I agree. It is very easy to make new, young recruits look a bit silly with selective editing.
It is also very difficult to convey two key factors in basic training (I'm talking generally here; I've never done bootie training):
Firstly, the pressure. You know fine well that if you don't get up to scratch, you'll be binned. You are deliberately not given enough time to complete most tasks properly, no matter how hard you try.
Secondly, the relentlessless of it all. These guys are brutally tired. Not tired in that you stayed up all night to watch the whole box set of Sex and the City; tired as in racing around in sustained, intense physical activity with minimal rest. One bloke said he had one hour's sleep in the last 48 and he almost certainly wasn't exaggerating. That level of fatigue makes you forget your own name, never mind a service number. It makes you physically clumsy, it makes you slow.
I remember that series about the 55-year old bloke that 'passed' the commando tests. Yeah, it's a fücking sight easier when you've just had a night in a hotel instead of bulling boots until 4am.
Spot on on all counts, very well said
The viewing public often forget these military programs aren't going to be thorough depictions of what its 'actually' like mainly because they won't be aloud to show what its actually like but also because they aren't recruitment tools (although a lot of interest is gained from them), they are produced by TV production companies for TV entertainment values to be broadcast across the nation, and thats what the editing producers are going to set as their target.
Anyone who wants to find out why the Royal's have such a huge reputation not just in the UK Armed Forces but by many other Armed Forces around the World, the best way to find out is to attempt to join ;-)
Anyone watching?